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I see that he has a different mindset altogether. For him, winning a trophy is always a secondary. He is more content in seeing where we are in rankings and winning these meaningless bilaterals. There is a reason why Kedhar Jadhav is playing today, why MSD isn't going to retire anytime soon. 

He will take extreme pride in winning a test series in Australia when smith/warner were not around. But he hardly bothers about defeat in Eng and South Africa and keeps reminding us that the scoreline betrays the intensity of the series and stuff. And not to forget on how he hinges on to the captaincy of RCB inspite of the pathetic results.

 

Fundamentally, its his mindset that is wrong.

I don't agree with the money matters since he might have realized how MSDs stocks grew after he lifted the worldcup. VK not wining a major trophy on his own will be a huge black mark in his career.

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I'd say it's more about spinning achievements and downplaying under performance, rather than a preference for bilaterals. Shastri influence. Can imagine how loudly Shastri and Kohli would be thumping their chests if they won major tournaments.   

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Its a pacifist mindset .similar to 90 South Africa . So much method but no madness . 

 

The semifinal was a good example . Dark clouds . See off 5 overs . Maybe send a b Kumar to bat out boult . But rigid plans and lack of flexibility . 

 

Add Nd emphasis on experience and u have decent success in tests but poor in finals .

 

he is v happy to be in semifinal’s . Almost Nehru like . Things will change only if he is dropped from odi and t20 captaincy . He lacks team building and strategic approach 

 

I criticise Dhoni but think peak Dhoni with bum rah st his disposal would have won us twice the trophies 

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11 hours ago, Vk1 said:

I see that he has a different mindset altogether. For him, winning a trophy is always a secondary. He is more content in seeing where we are in rankings and winning these meaningless bilaterals. There is a reason why Kedhar Jadhav is playing today, why MSD isn't going to retire anytime soon. 

He will take extreme pride in winning a test series in Australia when smith/warner were not around. But he hardly bothers about defeat in Eng and South Africa and keeps reminding us that the scoreline betrays the intensity of the series and stuff. And not to forget on how he hinges on to the captaincy of RCB inspite of the pathetic results.

 

Fundamentally, its his mindset that is wrong.

I don't agree with the money matters since he might have realized how MSDs stocks grew after he lifted the worldcup. VK not wining a major trophy on his own will be a huge black mark in his career.

he doesn't have much of a brain, so it's unfair to expect him to have "thought processes". same applies to bewda, except even more so: all bewdi can "think" about is the next keg of beer and hot girls to run after.

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His thought process is simple. He knows most other teams are ****/mediocre so no matter how many blunders he commits in terms of selection, India will still win 60%+ of it's games and will continue to make the Semis of all ICC events as well which means his position as a captain is safe. He and his cronies will continue to occupy all malaai waala postings in both LOI formats for the near future and all the tailunts will be kept at an arms length with useful idiots like Jadhav, Pandey, Karthik being continuously recycled. 

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7 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

His thought process is simple. He knows most other teams are ****/mediocre so no matter how many blunders he commits in terms of selection, India will still win 60%+ of it's games and will continue to make the Semis of all ICC events as well which means his position as a captain is safe. He and his cronies will continue to occupy all malaai waala postings in both LOI formats for the near future and all the tailunts will be kept at an arms length with useful idiots like Jadhav, Pandey, Karthik being continuously recycled. 

while the talents will be kept at arms length, the likes of karthik will be using the length of their arms to render "service" to ratboi :phehe:

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4 hours ago, mani sha said:

Its a pacifist mindset .similar to 90 South Africa . So much method but no madness . 

 

The semifinal was a good example . Dark clouds . See off 5 overs . Maybe send a b Kumar to bat out boult . But rigid plans and lack of flexibility . 

 

Add Nd emphasis on experience and u have decent success in tests but poor in finals .

 

he is v happy to be in semifinal’s . Almost Nehru like . Things will change only if he is dropped from odi and t20 captaincy . He lacks team building and strategic approach 

 

I criticise Dhoni but think peak Dhoni with bum rah st his disposal would have won us twice the trophies 

90s RSA actually won an ICC event in 1998 though. Under Kohli India are reduced to being the most high profile jobbers in the events that matter.

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42 minutes ago, Vijy said:

all bewdi can "think" about is the next keg of beer and hot girls to run after.

His playboy persona is overstated. Apparently he was attractive to Indian girls back in the late 80s :sick: Maybe he may have played around with some "hot" girls in Mumbai and other "broadminded" cities with his audi car, tracer bullet yapping and 80s mustache. What grinds my gears is he was rumored to be with Gabriela Sabatini in 1990. Read this farticle from this rag. You know its a rag when you have multiple popups opening to spam you

https://www.indiatimes.com/lifestyle/self/secrets-of-the-biggest-playboys-of-cricket-278402-26.html#30

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Why-blame-him-its-only-cricket/articleshow/35259874.cms

 

The following is the truth

https://m.dailyhunt.in/news/india/english/cricket+addictor+english-epaper-cricaden/when+ravi+shastri+was+embarrassed+by+his+dream+date-newsid-96912707

This fat b@stard publicly announced his desire to date Sabatini and got pwned. More humiliation

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india/ravi-shastri-who/story-isDGwjp9PHrXXNafJl1SHL.html

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There's no thought process. Rat's thought process is to act aggressive on the field like yelling at opponents and younger teammates while being totally not aggressive regarding field placements, team selection and not bowling or playing the bowler that the opp batsmen hate to play against (eg- Bhuvi over Shami vs NZ in the semis). His attitude is like most Indians are stupid so get some bilateral ODI wins (not overseas test wins against the big sides) to placate the gullible masses while sucking donkey balls at multinational tournaments like world cups and champions trophy and sena tests. If Steve Smith was playing last series in Aus, rat would have lost that too in humiliating fashion

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1 hour ago, Real McCoy said:

His playboy persona is overstated. Apparently he was attractive to Indian girls back in the late 80s :sick: Maybe he may have played around with some "hot" girls in Mumbai and other "broadminded" cities with his audi car, tracer bullet yapping and 80s mustache. What grinds my gears is he was rumored to be with Gabriela Sabatini in 1990. Read this farticle from this rag. You know its a rag when you have multiple popups opening to spam you

https://www.indiatimes.com/lifestyle/self/secrets-of-the-biggest-playboys-of-cricket-278402-26.html#30

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Why-blame-him-its-only-cricket/articleshow/35259874.cms

 

The following is the truth

https://m.dailyhunt.in/news/india/english/cricket+addictor+english-epaper-cricaden/when+ravi+shastri+was+embarrassed+by+his+dream+date-newsid-96912707

This fat b@stard publicly announced his desire to date Sabatini and got pwned. More humiliation

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india/ravi-shastri-who/story-isDGwjp9PHrXXNafJl1SHL.html

The correspondent should have said " Shastri Hai Hai" probably then Sabatini or the other genralist would have identified this noob.

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He should have lifted that cup. He will lift the next one. Its Kohli and he is the greatest bat we have produced after Sachin. He might yet become the greatest. Everyone who has their knickers in a twist can stfu and ctfd, as his team topped the league and missed one game where it rained and ****.

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12 hours ago, Vilander said:

Why the * is icf so *ing negative ?? Wrist slitters

Im not one of those wristslitters but I lost interest in cricket after the SF loss. Its not Kohli's batting ability that fans are questioning. Its his captaincy and big match performance that is under question. He missed a good delivery but he should have atleast covered the line and played with soft hands as most top order bats do. I don't see Williamson or Smith playing the shot he did driving through midwicket and playing around the line.

 

Deep down he thinks he should have played it straighter too because its a good ball but its not an unplayable ball. Kohli has been dismissed for 1 in both the knockouts he played. If he doesn't win the next WC, his legacy will be tainted as the guy who scores in JAMODIs and fails in knockouts esp the WCs. His claim to be the greatest ODI player ever will also take a hit. His 40 something ODI centuries will be taken with a grain of salt.

 

He is strictly following his idol Sachin to the tee. Sachin also had problems in knockouts. Maybe he should give away the captaincy like Sachin and just play as a batsman. There is one thing that makes this worse though. Kohli is adamant like Sachin but unlike Sachin, he doesn't have the sense that captaincy is not for him.

 

Also I don't understand why Bhuvi was preferred over Shami since Shami destroyed NZ in NZ earlier this year. He sent Karthik and Pandya ahead of Dhoni. One could say Pant was sent out by Shastri or Rohit but he was in the dressing room at 2 down. He made the decision to send Karthik at 5. That is a stupid decision as Karthik and Rahul are bottlers who dominate league stages and practice matches but when the going gets tough, they bottle. Dhoni is not a technical player but he is not a choker. He somehow hangs on with his lunges and ugly technique. He would have played a lot of dots though.

 

If he doesn't back Dhoni to play in pressure situations, he should have made the decision way before the tournament to drop him or ask selectors to tell Dhoni to retire or get dropped. Kohli is a big enough player to make such decisions as we saw Kumble getting sacked for useless bewda. Dhoni himself did it to Sehwag, Zaheer, and Gambhir when they were past it. I don't think many in ICF would have missed Dhoni this WC. Sorry @velu :phehe:

 

PS - Kohli's words are also unreliable. From his words, everytime he praises someone the joke on ICF is that the player in question may end up getting sacked and ignored. Rayudu was touted as the ideal no.4 if Kohli's words were taken seriously. Rayudu didn't even make it to the squad. Rayudu along with Shankar, Karthik, Jadhav were given false promises and there was no team core created.

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So i disagree with everyone. I cant see how a competitive person like Kohli would be satisfied with SF appearance. Am sure SF loss hurts him multi fold times more than it does any fan. For us switch off tv and carry on with our lives for Kohli cricket is life. You want to call him a poor captain or planner, fine but i personally would never question his intent or motivation.

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Ganguly build a team, Dhoni won trophies. What is the legacy of the Rat so far? The King of meaningless runs and stats.

Sometimes actions belie the statements one gives in the media. Virat pointed out the disappointment he had post the world cup exit and there is no doubt he must have been shattered.

However the attitude is still the same, hackneyed methods of preferring experience and utter confusion in team selection. 

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15 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

Ganguly build a team, Dhoni won trophies. What is the legacy of the Rat so far? The King of meaningless runs and stats.

Sometimes actions belie the statements one gives in the media. Virat pointed out the disappointment he had post the world cup exit and there is no doubt he must have been shattered.

However the attitude is still the same, hackneyed methods of preferring experience and utter confusion in team selection. 

He needs to give up captaincy for his batting. Its good for his batting and the team and his own mental health. He has grey tufts in his beard already. If he continues being captain, he will look like Dhoni next WC

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Its not about wrist slitting, or being negative. This was supposed to be THE time for Indian cricket. The foundation built in 2000s by core group of Ganguly-Dravid-Tendulkar-Laxman-Kumble, further strengthened by Sehwag-Bhajji-Zak-Gambhir-Dhoni(till 2011WC) should have seen us dominating world cricket by now. We have everything - Talent pool, resources, fan following... coupled with the disarray or transition phase most other strong teams (AUS, SA, Pak, SL) are going through, should have meant India dominating at top for atleast 5 years. Yet we have plataued off, we are pretty much where we were 10 years back, good but not the clear leader among mere 10 cricketing nations. India is a LARGE growing country, people's expectations are increasing, we demand better from a team which is pretty much our national sport, and we should.

 

Kohli is not cut out to be a captain, he is a piss-poor man manager, and BCCI, Supreme Court & Selectors are equally to blame for this mess.

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4 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

Im not one of those wristslitters but I lost interest in cricket after the SF loss. Its not Kohli's batting ability that fans are questioning. Its his captaincy and big match performance that is under question. He missed a good delivery but he should have atleast covered the line and played with soft hands as most top order bats do. I don't see Williamson or Smith playing the shot he did driving through midwicket and playing around the line.

 

Deep down he thinks he should have played it straighter too because its a good ball but its not an unplayable ball. Kohli has been dismissed for 1 in both the knockouts he played. If he doesn't win the next WC, his legacy will be tainted as the guy who scores in JAMODIs and fails in knockouts esp the WCs. His claim to be the greatest ODI player ever will also take a hit. His 40 something ODI centuries will be taken with a grain of salt.

 

He is strictly following his idol Sachin to the tee. Sachin also had problems in knockouts. Maybe he should give away the captaincy like Sachin and just play as a batsman. There is one thing that makes this worse though. Kohli is adamant like Sachin but unlike Sachin, he doesn't have the sense that captaincy is not for him.

 

Also I don't understand why Bhuvi was preferred over Shami since Shami destroyed NZ in NZ earlier this year. He sent Karthik and Pandya ahead of Dhoni. One could say Pant was sent out by Shastri or Rohit but he was in the dressing room at 2 down. He made the decision to send Karthik at 5. That is a stupid decision as Karthik and Rahul are bottlers who dominate league stages and practice matches but when the going gets tough, they bottle. Dhoni is not a technical player but he is not a choker. He somehow hangs on with his lunges and ugly technique. He would have played a lot of dots though.

 

If he doesn't back Dhoni to play in pressure situations, he should have made the decision way before the tournament to drop him or ask selectors to tell Dhoni to retire or get dropped. Kohli is a big enough player to make such decisions as we saw Kumble getting sacked for useless bewda. Dhoni himself did it to Sehwag, Zaheer, and Gambhir when they were past it. I don't think many in ICF would have missed Dhoni this WC. Sorry @velu :phehe:

 

PS - Kohli's words are also unreliable. From his words, everytime he praises someone the joke on ICF is that the player in question may end up getting sacked and ignored. Rayudu was touted as the ideal no.4 if Kohli's words were taken seriously. Rayudu didn't even make it to the squad. Rayudu along with Shankar, Karthik, Jadhav were given false promises and there was no team core created.

Sachin had one of the better records in knockouts Troll

 

See your problem is even when  you make good points and good posts you cannot let go of your trolling mentality. That is why not a single  person takes you seriously. Otherwise you did have good points in your post but you trolling spoils the entire thing

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4 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

Im not one of those wristslitters but I lost interest in cricket after the SF loss. Its not Kohli's batting ability that fans are questioning. Its his captaincy and big match performance that is under question. He missed a good delivery but he should have atleast covered the line and played with soft hands as most top order bats do. I don't see Williamson or Smith playing the shot he did driving through midwicket and playing around the line.

 

Deep down he thinks he should have played it straighter too because its a good ball but its not an unplayable ball. Kohli has been dismissed for 1 in both the knockouts he played. If he doesn't win the next WC, his legacy will be tainted as the guy who scores in JAMODIs and fails in knockouts esp the WCs. His claim to be the greatest ODI player ever will also take a hit. His 40 something ODI centuries will be taken with a grain of salt.

 

He is strictly following his idol Sachin to the tee. Sachin also had problems in knockouts. Maybe he should give away the captaincy like Sachin and just play as a batsman. There is one thing that makes this worse though. Kohli is adamant like Sachin but unlike Sachin, he doesn't have the sense that captaincy is not for him.

 

Also I don't understand why Bhuvi was preferred over Shami since Shami destroyed NZ in NZ earlier this year. He sent Karthik and Pandya ahead of Dhoni. One could say Pant was sent out by Shastri or Rohit but he was in the dressing room at 2 down. He made the decision to send Karthik at 5. That is a stupid decision as Karthik and Rahul are bottlers who dominate league stages and practice matches but when the going gets tough, they bottle. Dhoni is not a technical player but he is not a choker. He somehow hangs on with his lunges and ugly technique. He would have played a lot of dots though.

 

If he doesn't back Dhoni to play in pressure situations, he should have made the decision way before the tournament to drop him or ask selectors to tell Dhoni to retire or get dropped. Kohli is a big enough player to make such decisions as we saw Kumble getting sacked for useless bewda. Dhoni himself did it to Sehwag, Zaheer, and Gambhir when they were past it. I don't think many in ICF would have missed Dhoni this WC. Sorry @velu :phehe:

 

PS - Kohli's words are also unreliable. From his words, everytime he praises someone the joke on ICF is that the player in question may end up getting sacked and ignored. Rayudu was touted as the ideal no.4 if Kohli's words were taken seriously. Rayudu didn't even make it to the squad. Rayudu along with Shankar, Karthik, Jadhav were given false promises and there was no team core created.

All good points. Esp shami for bhuv. But these decisions are not an exact science they come off at times and at times they dont and NZ were also a good side in those conditions.

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17 minutes ago, New guy said:

Sachin had one of the better records in knockouts Troll

 

See your problem is even when  you make good points and good posts you cannot let go of your trolling mentality. That is why not a single  person takes you seriously. Otherwise you did have good points in your post but you trolling spoils the entire thing

Opinions that differ on yours are not trolling automatically.

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35 minutes ago, New guy said:

Sachin had one of the better records in knockouts Troll

 

See your problem is even when  you make good points and good posts you cannot let go of your trolling mentality. That is why not a single  person takes you seriously. Otherwise you did have good points in your post but you trolling spoils the entire thing

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@velu I spotted one. Their crying is music to my ears. Must be for you as well

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30 minutes ago, Vilander said:

All good points. Esp shami for bhuv. But these decisions are not an exact science they come off at times and at times they dont and NZ were also a good side in those conditions.

Disagree with you on Bhuvi. He was picked for the WC based on English conditions but he wasn't able to pick wickets throughout the tournament. That match was ideally suited for an aggressive wicket taking bowler like Shami who performed well against NZ. I agree its not an exact science but that is why there is a team management. And Kohli picked drunkards as team coaches. It was entirely Kohli's doing when he threw a tantrum against Kumble in 2017. There was no difference in the run rate for the first 20 overs in the SF against NZ. There was a difference in the wickets lost by the two teams and that is what put the pressure on India.

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44 minutes ago, Vilander said:

Opinions that differ on yours are not trolling automatically.

But the knockout stats are available for everyone to see so how is it an opinion? Its blatant lies.

 

So you really are not aware how cheap trolls like this guy has polluted this forum? You really are not aware or his post history? Or is it because these trolls trill pro CSK that you support them 

 

And now you are ignoring his follow up post in this very thread where he admits to this?

 

Btw whenever you wonder why csk and dhoni gets so much hatred always remember this.CSK fans always support cheap trolls and dont cally them out

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6 hours ago, New guy said:

Why doesn't someone ban this obvious troll?

 I might not be as knowledgeable as the rest of the people here so my opinion might differ, but I am not trolling. cheers.

 

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8 hours ago, New guy said:

But the knockout stats are available for everyone to see so how is it an opinion? Its blatant lies.

 

So you really are not aware how cheap trolls like this guy has polluted this forum? You really are not aware or his post history? Or is it because these trolls trill pro CSK that you support them 

 

And now you are ignoring his follow up post in this very thread where he admits to this?

 

Btw whenever you wonder why csk and dhoni gets so much hatred always remember this.CSK fans always support cheap trolls and dont cally them out

Dude you need to cool down

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9 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

Disagree with you on Bhuvi

Disagree on what I am saying he should have not have been picked ahead of Shami. But all I am saying is there are more than one decision maker and they don't come off all the time.  

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He even lacks ability to think. Then where is the thought process?? He does not have a long term vision.If he had, then Saini would have been playing today instead of Bhuvi. & also Gill would have been selected at least for either of Tests or ODIs.

 

More than Kohli, the  blame should go to  moron coach & joker selecter MSK.

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I feel sad to post such threads and comments on Kohli.. he is probably the most hard working sportsman you would ever get to see.. his game is mostly built on hard-work with very little things that come naturally to how it does for special gifted players like Lara, Sachin or Rohit, not that they haven't worked hard though. Watching Kohlis videos of doing those hard yards in the gym, his complete lifestyle changes after 2011 Aussie tour.. his dedication to the game is GOAT level. All he needs is that maniac like aspirations to make India win the real challenges.. like complete domination in overseas and worldcups. Anything less is huge under achievement for the nation under current circumstances.

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12 hours ago, putrevus said:

"Was My Opportunity To Step Up", Says Virat Kohli After Match-Winning Century

 

Was World Cup semifinals not an opportunity to step up.What the heck happened then? Kohli talk to us when you score something when it matters.

rat steps up when there is no real need to do so in ODIs. in tests, we are lucky that he has at least stepped up in SENA for the most part.

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10 hours ago, Vijy said:

rat steps up when there is no real need to do so in ODIs. in tests, we are lucky that he has at least stepped up in SENA for the most part.

He has to live with it that he has flopped in big spots in odis.I for one overlooked his failures in CT 2017 and world cup 2015.But I am not able to get past his failure in semis against NZ.If he wants to be known as the best he cannot keep on failing in big spots.

 

Dhoni also falls in the same category, never stepped up when it was needed, that world cup finals in 2011 was an aberration rather than norm for him.He is much worse than Kohli.

 

You need batsmen who can fight adversity not fold like cheap tents.

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On 8/8/2019 at 12:44 PM, Vk1 said:

I see that he has a different mindset altogether. For him, winning a trophy is always a secondary. He is more content in seeing where we are in rankings and winning these meaningless bilaterals. There is a reason why Kedhar Jadhav is playing today, why MSD isn't going to retire anytime soon. 

He will take extreme pride in winning a test series in Australia when smith/warner were not around. But he hardly bothers about defeat in Eng and South Africa and keeps reminding us that the scoreline betrays the intensity of the series and stuff. And not to forget on how he hinges on to the captaincy of RCB inspite of the pathetic results.

 

Fundamentally, its his mindset that is wrong.

I don't agree with the money matters since he might have realized how MSDs stocks grew after he lifted the worldcup. VK not wining a major trophy on his own will be a huge black mark in his career.

Too many holes in your thought process about Kohli's thought process.. 

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