India A vs SA A

[kaptaan]

The All-India Senior Selection Committee met in Mumbai to pick India A squad for the upcoming five-match one-day series against South Africa A. The one-day series will be played at The Sports Hub, Thiruvananthapuram and all five matches will be telecast live. 

 

Date	Match	Venue
29 August 2019	1st One Day	Thiruvananthapuram
31 August 2019	2nd One Day	Thiruvananthapuram
02 September 2019	3rd One Day	Thiruvananthapuram
04 September 2019	4th One Day	Thiruvananthapuram
06 September 2019	5th One Day	Thiruvananthapuram

  

India A team for 1st, 2nd and 3rd one-day:Manish Pandey (Captain), Ruturaj Gaikwad, Shubman Gill, Anmolpreet Singh, Ricky Bhui, Ishan Kishan (wicket-keeper), Vijay Shankar, Shivam Dube, Krunal Pandya, Axar Patel, Yuzvendra Chahal, Shardul Thakur, Deepak Chahar, Khaleel Ahmed, Nitish Rana

 

India A team for 4th and 5th one-day: Shreyas Iyer (Captain), Shubman Gill, Prashant Chopra, Anmolpreet Singh, Ricky Bhui, Sanju Samson (wicket-keeper), Nitish Rana, Vijay Shankar, Shivam Dube, Washington Sundar, Axar Patel, Rahul Chahar, Shardul Thakur, Tushar Deshpande, Ishan Porel

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/news/2019/press-releases/18314/india-a-squad-for-one-day-series-against-sa-a-announced

Edited September 9, 2019 by rkt.india

[Ankit_sharma03]

Good to see Vijay shankar back

When are we getting rid of axar patel

No gopal again......how come mayank markhande is no getting selected in A-games anymore 

[kaptaan]

Shreyas Gopal, Prasidh Krishna are not getting any games 

[express bowling]

Where are Avesh Khan and Prasidh Krishna. ?

 

But Shardul Thakur is part of both the squads  !!  How is he so special. ?

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

When are we getting rid of axar patel

Axar Patel bothers you, even though as a white-ball package he'd probably do better than Imad Wasim and compete with Mitch Santner.  Where the heck did Ricky Bhui get into the mix.

[tweaker]

Nitish Rana and Shivam Dubey finally gets selected for the odi squad

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

Axar Patel bothers you, 

He doesnt add anything to the mix

• He is a beta version of Jadeja who himself has found it tough to find a place in Indian XI in last 2 years. Now krunal is also emerging and owing a place in t20 and has more batting ability.
• Axar isnt good enough to play in top 7 as batsman, not god enough to play ahead of many as bowler
• Wrist spinners have been the flavour of LOI, we shud be looking at wristies who can bat like gopal, chahar....and gopal is not even getting in A-squads
• Even as a variety we shud look at diff bowling style like an right arm offie- gowtham who has a better power game in then axar
• Axar has played enough A-games to gain all exposure....i dont see how playing him more A-games will help 

[sandeep]

3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

He doesnt add anything to the mix

• He is a beta version of Jadeja who himself has found it tough to find a place in Indian XI in last 2 years. Now krunal is also emerging and owing a place in t20 and has more batting ability.
• Axar isnt good enough to play in top 7 as batsman, not god enough to play ahead of many as bowler
• Wrist spinners have been the flavour of LOI, we shud be looking at wristies who can bat like gopal, chahar....and gopal is not even getting in A-squads
• Even as a variety we shud look at diff bowling style like an right arm offie- gowtham who has a better power game in then axar
• Axar has played enough A-games to gain all exposure....i dont see how playing him more A-games will help 

Sure he's a version of Jadeja, and as of today, a "beta" version.  That's why he's in the A team and not in the senior team.  But out of all the contenders for the #7 slot, he's one of the best bowling options, and one of the few who can genuinely be looked at as a 10 over bowler in ODI cricket.  Quality fielder and decent enough to bat at #8.  Now I'm not claiming he should play for India, but he's definitely done enough and put up consistent performances - not just in IPL but in domestic cricket, to deserve a slot in the probables squads. 

 

Just because you are tired of his name, and want to see "new" names and flavors in the A squad, isn't justification enough to discard him at the A level. A Nitish Rana or a Chahar has to earn his way to dislodge Axar from the mix.  Those guys are getting their opportunities and will get chances to do just that.  Your little whinge on "why is Axar still here" would be valid if a genuine contender missed out in his stead.  You bring up the likes of Goutham - a guy who's a district league version of Krunal Pandya if that - and in no way anywhere close to Axar's level as a bowler.  And from what I saw of his "batting" against WI A, let's just leave that aside for the moment - and that would be charitable to him. 

 

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Axar has played enough A-games to gain all exposure....i dont see how playing him more A-games will help 

You seem to have a fundamental lack of understanding of the purpose of 'A' games and squads.  The purpose is to give additional exposure and game time against best possible competition - to the 15-20 odd players beyond the current national squad.  Sure, its important to audition a variety of players, especially the younger ones who flash potential, or have a skill-set that potentially adds a needed variety to the team's requirements.  But that doesn't mean that consistent performers should be chucked aside, purely in the name of "new" names.  As long as the selectors ensure that there's a good number of young budding talents in the mix, there is no logical reason to discard the consistent fringe players.  In fact its the consistent quality offered by such seasoned pros on the fringe that ensure that the younger players coming through the ranks get toughened up - If you look at world-dominant teams throughout the eras, you will find that its the level of competition and quality in the top domestics that set the foundation and polished the true champion teams.  

 

If you foolishly start applying the "audition for a few games and then discard forever" logic - then a Shikhar Dhawan would never have made his way back to the national team.  Here was a guy who rose to prominence as a u19 player, but then stayed in the fringe for a few years, and then battled his way back.  Managed to make it, and ended up giving the national team 5+ quality years.  That's the result of having mature data-driven selection processes.    If you switch to a process of chasing and gambling on newer  and newer games, while disincentivizing the consistent performers, then you seriously demotivate a big chunk of your domestic players, directly reduce the quality of competition in domestic cricket, which hurts the production and polish of the very same young talent that you are so thirsty for.

Edited August 19, 2019 by sandeep

[cricketfan28]

I hope axar uses this oppurtunity. I believe he has the potential.

[Suhaan]

Prasidh is thoroughly getting neglected here

He has to play full ranji season this year to be in the reckoning, can't let go talents like him

[Mosher]

1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

Prasidh is thoroughly getting neglected here

He has to play full ranji season this year to be in the reckoning, can't let go talents like him

Prasidh will get to play this Ranji season because Vinay Kumar has just announced that he wants make way for younger fast bowlers and will not be playing for Karnataka anymore. 

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, Mosher said:

Prasidh will get to play this Ranji season because Vinay Kumar has just announced that he wants make way for younger fast bowlers and will not be playing for Karnataka anymore. 

 

Bro, This is wonderful news.   

[raki05]

15 hours ago, kaptaan said:

The All-India Senior Selection Committee met in Mumbai to pick India A squad for the upcoming five-match one-day series against South Africa A. The one-day series will be played at The Sports Hub, Thiruvananthapuram and all five matches will be telecast live. 

 

Date	Match	Venue
29 August 2019	1st One Day	Thiruvananthapuram
31 August 2019	2nd One Day	Thiruvananthapuram
02 September 2019	3rd One Day	Thiruvananthapuram
04 September 2019	4th One Day	Thiruvananthapuram
06 September 2019	5th One Day	Thiruvananthapuram

  

India A team for 1st, 2nd and 3rd one-day:Manish Pandey (Captain), Ruturaj Gaikwad, Shubman Gill, Anmolpreet Singh, Ricky Bhui, Ishan Kishan (wicket-keeper), Vijay Shankar, Shivam Dube, Krunal Pandya, Axar Patel, Yuzvendra Chahal, Shardul Thakur, Deepak Chahar, Khaleel Ahmed, Nitish Rana

 

India A team for 4th and 5th one-day: Shreyas Iyer (Captain), Shubman Gill, Prashant Chopra, Anmolpreet Singh, Ricky Bhui, Sanju Samson (wicket-keeper), Nitish Rana, Vijay Shankar, Shivam Dube, Washington Sundar, Axar Patel, Rahul Chahar, Shardul Thakur, Tushar Deshpande, Ishan Porel

 

 

http://www.bcci.tv/news/2019/press-releases/18314/india-a-squad-for-one-day-series-against-sa-a-announced

chahar, thakur 

[Ankit_sharma03]

8 hours ago, sandeep said:

Sure he's a version of Jadeja, and as of today, a "beta" version.  That's why he's in the A team and not in the senior team.  But out of all the contenders for the #7 slot, he's one of the best bowling options, and one of the few who can genuinely be looked at as a 10 over bowler in ODI cricket.  Quality fielder and decent enough to bat at #8.  Now I'm not claiming he should play for India, but he's definitely done enough and put up consistent performances - not just in IPL but in domestic cricket, to deserve a slot in the probables squads. 

he cant be contendor for no.7 coz he lacks that batting ability

At 8....yup he can give u 10 overs but so can ashwin, jadeja n many and bat. But the reason we went to wristies was for wkts so we shud look at some wristy who can bat like gopal. At 8 also u need power game which is why bhajji was used more then jaddu when they were in same team....so lets look at someone like gowtham who has power game n brings an offie in the mix which we dont have right now. 

 

8 hours ago, sandeep said:

 

Just because you are tired of his name, and want to see "new" names and flavors in the A squad, isn't justification enough to discard him at the A level. A Nitish Rana or a Chahar has to earn his way to dislodge Axar from the mix.  Those guys are getting their opportunities and will get chances to do just that.  Your little whinge on "why is Axar still here" would be valid if a genuine contender missed out in his stead.  You bring up the likes of Goutham - a guy who's a district league version of Krunal Pandya if that - and in no way anywhere close to Axar's level as a bowler.  And from what I saw of his "batting" against WI A, let's just leave that aside for the moment - and that would be charitable to him. 

M not tired of his name......

Discarding is on logic like - he doesnt bring anything new, the reason he doesnt get selected for national team is coz they already have his superior version who also they dont play regularly and now they have an exciting option in krunal. So  i dont see him playing for India

Chahar has already gotten into national team and yes rana needs to earn his place. But axar is taking a place which can go to gopal who has done everything and can be the right kind of player we can look at ....a wrist spinner who can bat at 8 

Gowtham has done well in A-games that to in longest form overseas so i dont even see how him n krunal can be compared. Krunal at best is a t20 cricketer now 

The only thing that serpartes gowtham n axar is experience.....if we are talking of LOI...well gowtham scores over in power game

8 hours ago, sandeep said:

You seem to have a fundamental lack of understanding of the purpose of 'A' games and squads.  The purpose is to give additional exposure and game time against best possible competition - to the 15-20 odd players beyond the current national squad.

Axar has been playing A games for 5 years.....so has been iyer n pandey but they ll play for national squad and hence always needs to play highest level of cricket they need. 

Which is what my issue with both axar, nadeem and even unadkat is with A games that they wont get in national squad . The whole world is looking at wrist spinners but we are looking at finger spinners. 

 

Do u really see axar being selected in 15 or 11 in future ? The highest possibilty that can be thought of is when jadeja gets injured which hardly happens and then also jadeja himself isnt a permanent in XI 

 

8 hours ago, sandeep said:

 Sure, its important to audition a variety of players, especially the younger ones who flash potential, or have a skill-set that potentially adds a needed variety to the team's requirements. 

But that doesn't mean that consistent performers should be chucked aside, purely in the name of "new" names. 

Guys like Gowtham , gopal have been constent performers in domestic, IPL and are the right kind of packages as well 

8 hours ago, sandeep said:

As long as the selectors ensure that there's a good number of young budding talents in the mix, there is no logical reason to discard the consistent fringe players. 

It not even logical to discard youngsters out of nowere after they get selected for national team- like mayank markhande

Again it comes to that one spot that axar takes. 

8 hours ago, sandeep said:

In fact its the consistent quality offered by such seasoned pros on the fringe that ensure that the younger players coming through the ranks get toughened up - If you look at world-dominant teams throughout the eras, you will find that its the level of competition and quality in the top domestics that set the foundation and polished the true champion teams.  

and one other thing which u forgot to mention - right players packages n match winners which has been somewhat a failure of this selection commmitee

Not all the domestic consistent performers become gr8 at international level. We do need to ask ourselves why are we still not the dominant team in the world when our U-19, A teams are the best around. Coz LOI cricket is about match winners are utility cricketers and we are not completely looking at right kind of match winners or utility players . This urge of rewarding consistency in the name of mediocrity is the reason we have been stuck with dhawal, unadkat, shardul , rayudu, axar..........they were consistent, good enough to play for most national team but were they good enough to make a side in to champion side??? Nope 

8 hours ago, sandeep said:

If you foolishly start applying the "audition for a few games and then discard forever" logic

Hows it foolish m asking to follow the same protocool that team used to Post 2017 wrist spinners n asking to reward consistent players like gopal with an addition of learning that additional bowling skills matter And Axar has been given enough A games-exp

 

[saik]

What is the need for Yuzvendra Chahal to play these games? Could have tried other spinners such as Markande, Gopal etc.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, saik said:

What is the need for Yuzvendra Chahal to play these games? Could have tried other spinners such as Markande, Gopal etc.

its really strange how markhande has fallen out of favour all of sudden for A-games

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Interesting to see Sanju Samson getting a couple of games. Looks like they want to try out more wicketkeeper batsmen apart from Ishan Kishan.

[Ankit_sharma03]

13 minutes ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

Interesting to see Sanju Samson getting a couple of games. Looks like they want to try out more wicketkeeper batsmen apart from Ishan Kishan.

They shud.....also sanju samson is to good a talent to give up on 

[ShoonyaSifar]

So the pool of players the selectors and TM are looking at are

LOIs:

Openers: Mayank Agrawal, Shubman Gill, Rituraj Gaekwad, Anmolpreet Singh, Prashant Chopra,

Middle Order Batsmen: Shreyas Iyer, Manish Pandey, Vihari, Ricky Bhui, Nitish Rana, Deepak Hooda

All rounder: Vijay Shankar, Shivam Dube

Keeper: Ishan Kishan, Sanju Samson

Spinners: Axar Patel, Rahul Chahar, Washington Sundar, Shreyas Gopal

Pacers:  Navdeep Saini, Khaleel Ahmed, Deepak Chahar, Avesh Khan, Shardul Thakur, Ishan Porel, Tushar Deshpande, Sandeep Warrier,

 

FC:

Openers: Mayank Agrawal, Priyank Panchal, Abhimanyu Ishwaran, 

Middle Order Batsmen: Shubman Gill, Shreyas Iyer, Vihari, Anmolpreet Singh, Sidhesh Lad

All rounder: Shivam Dube, 

Keeper: Saha, Bharath

Spinners: Nadeem, Rahul Chahar, Gowtham, Markande, Jayant Yadav, Aditya Sarwate,

Pacers:  Navdeep Saini, Siraj,  Sandeep Warrier, Ankit Rajpoot, Avesh Khan

 

Looks to be a very big pool of players being tried out with many of them being seen as all format players.

 

Among the pacers, some names missing: Prasidh Krishna (ignored for last few series), Shivam Mavi and Nagerkotti (injured), Aniket Chaudhary.

[ShoonyaSifar]

19 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

They shud.....also sanju samson is to good a talent to give up on 

He's played for India A from 2014-2017. Could not really grab his chances. All he needs is one big FC season and he will get fast tracked into the national side, thats how good he is, especially playing pacers.