Shubman Gill needs to be tried in test matches and ODIs

[express bowling]

Batsmen who have both good front foot and good back foot games, have much better chances of doing well all over the world.

And Shubman Gill fits the bill. He is obviously a top batting talent as everyone knows.

He comes across as a very international-type batsman with some old school qualities.

Pluses ----

• Plays the ball under his eyes.
• Has a rather early back and across trigger movement.
• Gets a lot of time to play quick bowlers.
• Decisive foot work, both front and back.
• Good front foot game. Drives sublimely ... flicks delicately and very fine ... defends decisively.
• Good back foot game. Fierce and powerful cutter who can cut even close to his body ... pulls strongly ... defends decisively on the back foot too.
• Has an idea about his off stump. Leaves leavable deliveries.
• Can rotate the strike with spinners operating.
• Has the gift of timing.
• Has the power game for his age and can hit big shots and powerful ground shots.
• Seems very calm and unhurried at the crease while batting.
• Is very consistent at FC level and has shown both the hunger for runs as well as the ability play big innings.  Has done really well for India-A.


We don't know ----

• How he is against genuine swing bowling in places like England.
• How he would tackle quick pacers on the bouncy tracks of SA, Australia. ( Was playing Nortje, bowling quick, with awesome ease in India )
 

Stats ----

 

FC

Matches. 13
Runs. 1348
Average 75
SR. 76
100s. 4
50s. 7
Highest. 268


List-A

Matches. 47
Runs. 1942
Average 47
SR. 88
100s. 5
50s. 10
Highest. 123 *


He is someone who needs to be invested in immediately and given a long rope in international cricket while making his spot secure for 15 tests and 25 ODIs.

Looks like the complete package as a batsman.
 

Edited August 29, 2019 by express bowling

[Oldhere]

Completely agree with you sir but can you tell me in whose place should he play in tests.

 

In Odis he will be playing very soon.

[Jimmy Cliff]

Rahane and Vihari got 50s in the last Test so Test spot is gone for now unless Pujara fails in 2-3 Tests. He can be the no. 4 in ODIs but I guess Iyer has got that role now. Gill would pretty much be wasted lower down the order. So in the short term he has to wait unfortunately. Not that this is what I want but this is what I think will happen.

[express bowling]

11 minutes ago, Oldhere said:

Completely agree with you sir but can you tell me in whose place should he play in tests.

 

Get him in the test squad.  

 

Either a place will open up soon as one of Rahane or Vihari shows inconsistency.

 

Or both Vihari and Rahane are so consistent that we don't mind Gill having to wait for some time. 

 

Both are win-win situations for us.

 

 

[express bowling]

15 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Rahane and Vihari got 50s in the last Test so Test spot is gone for now unless Pujara fails in 2-3 Tests. He can be the no. 4 in ODIs but I guess Iyer has got that role now. Gill would pretty much be wasted lower down the order. So in the short term he has to wait unfortunately. Not that this is what I want but this is what I think will happen.

 

Gill at 4, Iyer at 5, Pant at 6 and Hardik at 7

[Mosher]

29 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Gill at 4, Iyer at 5, Pant at 6 and Hardik at 7

This middle order will be great to watch. 

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, Mosher said:

This middle order will be great to watch. 

 

Will give great balance to our ODI team too.

 

Great hitting powerr from 5 to 7 and solidity with strokes at 3 and 4.

Edited August 29, 2019 by express bowling

[SUMO]

33 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Gill at 4, Iyer at 5, Pant at 6 and Hardik at 7

Correct. May be this is going to be the batting order for us in 2023. Along with rohit, rahul, virat in top 3.

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, SUMO said:

Correct. May be this is going to be the batting order for us in 2023. Along with rohit, rahul, virat in top 3.

 

I would love to try Shaw at 2,  partnerng Rohit, when he comes back.

[SUMO]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

I would love to try Shaw at 2,  partnerng Rohit, when he comes back.

Yeah shaw/rahul anyone who establishes himself.

I would love to have a lefty at the top. maybe kishan, or if pant opens.

We can try Dubey at no. 6

[putrevus]

They need to try Gill now so he/team has ample time to decide on his future.Gill should have played in odis in WI.If Rahul continues to screw up his chances he should be  tried as a test opener.Mayank needs to be given ample chances too, you just cannot discard him after one or two failures.Rahul has gotten enough chances.

[vaul]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

Batsmen who have both good front foot and good back foot games, have much better chances of doing well all over the world.

And Shubman Gill fits the bill. He is obviously a top batting talent as everyone knows.

He comes across as a very international-type batsman with some old school qualities.

Pluses ----

• Plays the ball under his eyes.
• Has a rather early back and across trigger movement.
• Gets a lot of time to play quick bowlers.
• Decisive foot work, both front and back.
• Good front foot game. Drives sublimely ... flicks delicately and very fine ... defends decisively.
• Good back foot game. Fierce and powerful cutter who can cut even close to his body ... pulls strongly ... defends decisively on the back foot too.
• Has an idea about his off stump. Leaves leavable deliveries.
• Can rotate the strike with spinners operating.
• Has the gift of timing.
• Has the power game for his age and can hit big shots and powerful ground shots.
• Seems very calm and unhurried at the crease while batting.
• Is very consistent at FC level and has shown both the hunger for runs as well as the ability play big innings.  Has done really well for India-A.


We don't know ----

• How he is against genuine swing bowling in places like England.
• How he would tackle quick pacers on the bouncy tracks of SA, Australia. ( Was playing Nortje, bowling quick, with awesome ease in India )
 

Stats ----

 

FC

Matches. 13
Runs. 1348
Average 75
SR. 76
100s. 4
50s. 7
Highest. 268


List-A

Matches. 47
Runs. 1942
Average 47
SR. 88
100s. 5
50s. 10
Highest. 123 *


He is someone who needs to be invested in immediately and given a long rope in international cricket while making his spot secure for 15 tests and 25 ODIs.

Looks like the complete package as a batsman.
 

He can play moving ball better than any batsman in India because he has ability to play ball as late as possible,even later than Smith.He is natural opener but team management discriminate against him by promoting Easwaran/Panchal ahead of him.Both of these favourites of Dravid were out in slip corridor/keeper on several occasion on recent WI tour but Gill did not edged the ball even once.

Only weakness in Gill's game is shot selection and innings building skill.He sometimes throw away his wicket by playing too casual or not placing ball right.He must learn shot selection from Kohli's game.

[prudent_kreeda]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Gill at 4, Iyer at 5, Pant at 6 and Hardik at 7

Ideal. But no  back up bowler in emergency as 6th option. Cannot go with that combo most of the times.

[express bowling]

34 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

Ideal. But no  back up bowler in emergency as 6th option. Cannot go with that combo most of the times.

 

Since we are 4 years away from the WC, and most ODIs are low profile bilateral series without much consequence,  I would still like to go with this combo because all of Gill, Iyer and Pant need to be given a lot of opportunities to develop their games for WC 2023.

[ExtremeBrainfade]

6 hours ago, express bowling said:

Batsmen who have both good front foot and good back foot games, have much better chances of doing well all over the world.

And Shubman Gill fits the bill. He is obviously a top batting talent as everyone knows.

He comes across as a very international-type batsman with some old school qualities.

Pluses ----

• Plays the ball under his eyes.
• Has a rather early back and across trigger movement.
• Gets a lot of time to play quick bowlers.
• Decisive foot work, both front and back.
• Good front foot game. Drives sublimely ... flicks delicately and very fine ... defends decisively.
• Good back foot game. Fierce and powerful cutter who can cut even close to his body ... pulls strongly ... defends decisively on the back foot too.
• Has an idea about his off stump. Leaves leavable deliveries.
• Can rotate the strike with spinners operating.
• Has the gift of timing.
• Has the power game for his age and can hit big shots and powerful ground shots.
• Seems very calm and unhurried at the crease while batting.
• Is very consistent at FC level and has shown both the hunger for runs as well as the ability play big innings.  Has done really well for India-A.


We don't know ----

• How he is against genuine swing bowling in places like England.
• How he would tackle quick pacers on the bouncy tracks of SA, Australia. ( Was playing Nortje, bowling quick, with awesome ease in India )
 

Stats ----

 

FC

Matches. 13
Runs. 1348
Average 75
SR. 76
100s. 4
50s. 7
Highest. 268


List-A

Matches. 47
Runs. 1942
Average 47
SR. 88
100s. 5
50s. 10
Highest. 123 *


He is someone who needs to be invested in immediately and given a long rope in international cricket while making his spot secure for 15 tests and 25 ODIs.

Looks like the complete package as a batsman.
 

Sorry, he does not have a FC 300.  Until he gets that, he must keep playing domestics.  Grinding it out for 5-6 years in domestics and debuting at age 27 is ideal.  ....

 

.... or some excuse like that will be trotted out.   

[putrevus]

Problem with Gill, Iyer,Pant and Pandya in the middle order is you will have just 4 main bowlers and Pandya will be fifth bowler.I don't think it is going to be long term option.You need 6 to 7 bowling options now.

 

Even in test team if Gill plays he will be just one dimensional player.

[prudent_kreeda]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Since we are 4 years away from the WC, and most ODIs are low profile bilateral series without much consequence,  I would still like to go with this combo because all of Gill, Iyer and Pant need to be given a lot of opportunities to develop their games for WC 2023.

    Better option is  at least 1 out of  Dhawan , Rohit & Kohli should not be in  then team in each bilateral series. Then you can give more  exposure to young guys . Also we need to have ready made replacements for  opening  . Cannot just go on playing Dhawan & Rohit always . We may find both have regressed  by 2023 in worst case scenario and then panic.

 

 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, prudent_kreeda said:

    Better option is  at least 1 out of  Dhawan , Rohit & Kohli should not be in  then team in each bilateral series. Then you can give more  exposure to young guys . Also we need to have ready made replacements for  opening 

 

If we take a practical stance then Rohit is not going anywhere.

 

Kohli will keep Dhawan too.  In case he is replaced due to extreme bad form, Rahul is going to come in.

 

Personally, I would like to see Shaw replace Dhawan.

 

1 hour ago, prudent_kreeda said:

. Cannot just go on playing Dhawan & Rohit always . We may find both have regressed  by 2023 in worst case scenario and then panic.

 

 

Looking at how Dhoni was persisted with, don't expect such a step from this TM.

 

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Not entirely unhappy that he is not in national squad. This is the age he shud play max cricket as possible .....Indian cricket follows a que system due to which even if he wud have been selected he wud have warmed the bench most games. Its better he is playing constantly for A games, duleep, Domestic......the more he plays the better he gets. No one improves by sitting on bench. Neways under kohlihe wud have been gievn an unfair run and been made to bat all over the order . National Cap isnt far away.......playing so many games all over the world like currently he is will only improve him

[Ankit_sharma03]

13 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Gill at 4, Iyer at 5, Pant at 6 and Hardik at 7

Dont think iyer bowling is good enough to be banked as 6th bowler. 

For one slot has to go among- Jadeja, shankar, krunal, sundar, Abhishek sharma, rana, dube has to be looked in next 4 years........among them jadeja holds the biggest advantage with his fielding in bowling (as wc 2023 is in India)

Edited August 29, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03