Asian bowlers outside Asia

[Trichromatic]

Excluded Zim

 

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
JJ Bumrah (INDIA)	2018-2019	12	24	2675	1178	61	6/27	9/86	19.31	2.64	43.8	5	0
Wasim Akram (PAK)	1985-2001	41	72	10186	4462	181	7/119	11/110	24.65	2.62	56.2	13	4
Mohammad Asif (PAK)	2005-2010	17	33	3916	1977	79	6/41	9/107	25.02	3.02	49.5	5	0
M Muralitharan (SL)	1995-2008	28	45	9133	4031	157	9/65	16/220	25.67	2.64	58.1	14	5
Imran Khan (PAK)	1971-1990	37	62	9436	4100	157	7/40	12/165	26.11	2.60	60.1	11	3
Waqar Younis (PAK)	1990-2003	36	61	7112	3890	137	6/78	10/133	28.39	3.28	51.9	7	1
Mohammad Amir (PAK)	2009-2019	28	52	6073	2899	101	6/44	7/64	28.70	2.86	60.1	4	0
Mushtaq Ahmed (PAK)	1990-2001	23	38	5972	2776	93	7/56	10/171	29.84	2.78	64.2	6	1
N Kapil Dev (INDIA)	1979-1994	44	75	10713	4679	152	8/106	8/109	30.78	2.62	70.4	9	0
BS Chandrasekhar (INDIA)	1967-1979	23	38	6202	2881	92	6/38	12/104	31.31	2.78	67.4	8	1
BS Bedi (INDIA)	1967-1979	34	58	10145	3901	123	6/127	10/194	31.71	2.30	82.4	6	1
Mohammed Shami (INDIA)	2013-2019	28	53	5533	3205	101	6/56	6/74	31.73	3.47	54.7	3	0
EAS Prasanna (INDIA)	1962-1978	25	42	7174	2931	92	8/76	11/140	31.85	2.45	77.9	5	1
Z Khan (INDIA)	2001-2014	35	60	7904	4313	134	5/29	9/134	32.18	3.27	58.9	6	0
Sarfraz Nawaz (PAK)	1972-1984	28	50	7457	3111	96	9/86	11/125	32.40	2.50	77.6	2	1
I Sharma (INDIA)	2008-2019	46	81	9573	5213	157	7/74	10/108	33.20	3.26	60.9	7	1
Harbhajan Singh (INDIA)	1998-2011	27	50	6817	3407	98	7/120	8/180	34.76	2.99	69.5	6	0
Umar Gul (PAK)	2003-2013	19	36	3881	2261	65	5/123	8/148	34.78	3.49	59.7	1	0
J Srinath (INDIA)	1991-2002	27	49	7453	3612	102	6/76	8/104	35.41	2.90	73.0	4	0
A Kumble (INDIA)	1990-2008	46	84	14215	6632	186	8/141	12/279	35.65	2.79	76.4	8	1
WPUJC Vaas (SL)	1995-2008	29	49	6501	3182	89	6/87	10/90	35.75	2.93	73.0	6	1
RAS Lakmal (SL)	2011-2019	21	37	4365	2276	63	5/54	6/127	36.12	3.12	69.2	3	0
Danish Kaneria (PAK)	2003-2010	21	41	6117	3257	86	7/168	8/204	37.87	3.19	71.1	5	0
R Ashwin (INDIA)	2011-2018	20	34	5107	2476	65	7/83	7/121	38.09	2.90	78.5	2	0
RJ Shastri (INDIA)	1981-1992	30	48	6144	2439	64	5/125	8/179	38.10	2.38	96.0	1	0
HMRKB Herath (SL)	2005-2018	23	39	5604	2655	60	5/79	9/128	44.25	2.84	93.4	2	0
S Venkataraghavan (INDIA)	1967-1983	25	41	6602	2753	62	5/95	6/96	44.40	2.50	106.4	1	0

 

 

Ashwin competing with Shastri. How bad has he been?

[express bowling]

35 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Excluded Zim

 

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
JJ Bumrah (INDIA)	2018-2019	12	24	2675	1178	61	6/27	9/86	19.31	2.64	43.8	5	0
Wasim Akram (PAK)	1985-2001	41	72	10186	4462	181	7/119	11/110	24.65	2.62	56.2	13	4
Mohammad Asif (PAK)	2005-2010	17	33	3916	1977	79	6/41	9/107	25.02	3.02	49.5	5	0
M Muralitharan (SL)	1995-2008	28	45	9133	4031	157	9/65	16/220	25.67	2.64	58.1	14	5
Imran Khan (PAK)	1971-1990	37	62	9436	4100	157	7/40	12/165	26.11	2.60	60.1	11	3
Waqar Younis (PAK)	1990-2003	36	61	7112	3890	137	6/78	10/133	28.39	3.28	51.9	7	1
Mohammad Amir (PAK)	2009-2019	28	52	6073	2899	101	6/44	7/64	28.70	2.86	60.1	4	0
Mushtaq Ahmed (PAK)	1990-2001	23	38	5972	2776	93	7/56	10/171	29.84	2.78	64.2	6	1
N Kapil Dev (INDIA)	1979-1994	44	75	10713	4679	152	8/106	8/109	30.78	2.62	70.4	9	0
BS Chandrasekhar (INDIA)	1967-1979	23	38	6202	2881	92	6/38	12/104	31.31	2.78	67.4	8	1
BS Bedi (INDIA)	1967-1979	34	58	10145	3901	123	6/127	10/194	31.71	2.30	82.4	6	1
Mohammed Shami (INDIA)	2013-2019	28	53	5533	3205	101	6/56	6/74	31.73	3.47	54.7	3	0
EAS Prasanna (INDIA)	1962-1978	25	42	7174	2931	92	8/76	11/140	31.85	2.45	77.9	5	1
Z Khan (INDIA)	2001-2014	35	60	7904	4313	134	5/29	9/134	32.18	3.27	58.9	6	0
Sarfraz Nawaz (PAK)	1972-1984	28	50	7457	3111	96	9/86	11/125	32.40	2.50	77.6	2	1
I Sharma (INDIA)	2008-2019	46	81	9573	5213	157	7/74	10/108	33.20	3.26	60.9	7	1
Harbhajan Singh (INDIA)	1998-2011	27	50	6817	3407	98	7/120	8/180	34.76	2.99	69.5	6	0
Umar Gul (PAK)	2003-2013	19	36	3881	2261	65	5/123	8/148	34.78	3.49	59.7	1	0
J Srinath (INDIA)	1991-2002	27	49	7453	3612	102	6/76	8/104	35.41	2.90	73.0	4	0
A Kumble (INDIA)	1990-2008	46	84	14215	6632	186	8/141	12/279	35.65	2.79	76.4	8	1
WPUJC Vaas (SL)	1995-2008	29	49	6501	3182	89	6/87	10/90	35.75	2.93	73.0	6	1
RAS Lakmal (SL)	2011-2019	21	37	4365	2276	63	5/54	6/127	36.12	3.12	69.2	3	0
Danish Kaneria (PAK)	2003-2010	21	41	6117	3257	86	7/168	8/204	37.87	3.19	71.1	5	0
R Ashwin (INDIA)	2011-2018	20	34	5107	2476	65	7/83	7/121	38.09	2.90	78.5	2	0
RJ Shastri (INDIA)	1981-1992	30	48	6144	2439	64	5/125	8/179	38.10	2.38	96.0	1	0
HMRKB Herath (SL)	2005-2018	23	39	5604	2655	60	5/79	9/128	44.25	2.84	93.4	2	0
S Venkataraghavan (INDIA)	1967-1983	25	41	6602	2753	62	5/95	6/96	44.40	2.50	106.4	1	0

 

 

Ashwin competing with Shastri. How bad has he been?

 

 

@rkt.india.  See how much better Chandra, Bedi and Prasanna have been compared to current spinners, especially Ashwin.

 

@Rightarmfast  this sort of showcases what we were trying to say.

[rtmohanlal]

43 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Excluded Zim

 

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
JJ Bumrah (INDIA)	2018-2019	12	24	2675	1178	61	6/27	9/86	19.31	2.64	43.8	5	0
Wasim Akram (PAK)	1985-2001	41	72	10186	4462	181	7/119	11/110	24.65	2.62	56.2	13	4
Mohammad Asif (PAK)	2005-2010	17	33	3916	1977	79	6/41	9/107	25.02	3.02	49.5	5	0
M Muralitharan (SL)	1995-2008	28	45	9133	4031	157	9/65	16/220	25.67	2.64	58.1	14	5
Imran Khan (PAK)	1971-1990	37	62	9436	4100	157	7/40	12/165	26.11	2.60	60.1	11	3
Waqar Younis (PAK)	1990-2003	36	61	7112	3890	137	6/78	10/133	28.39	3.28	51.9	7	1
Mohammad Amir (PAK)	2009-2019	28	52	6073	2899	101	6/44	7/64	28.70	2.86	60.1	4	0
Mushtaq Ahmed (PAK)	1990-2001	23	38	5972	2776	93	7/56	10/171	29.84	2.78	64.2	6	1
N Kapil Dev (INDIA)	1979-1994	44	75	10713	4679	152	8/106	8/109	30.78	2.62	70.4	9	0
BS Chandrasekhar (INDIA)	1967-1979	23	38	6202	2881	92	6/38	12/104	31.31	2.78	67.4	8	1
BS Bedi (INDIA)	1967-1979	34	58	10145	3901	123	6/127	10/194	31.71	2.30	82.4	6	1
Mohammed Shami (INDIA)	2013-2019	28	53	5533	3205	101	6/56	6/74	31.73	3.47	54.7	3	0
EAS Prasanna (INDIA)	1962-1978	25	42	7174	2931	92	8/76	11/140	31.85	2.45	77.9	5	1
Z Khan (INDIA)	2001-2014	35	60	7904	4313	134	5/29	9/134	32.18	3.27	58.9	6	0
Sarfraz Nawaz (PAK)	1972-1984	28	50	7457	3111	96	9/86	11/125	32.40	2.50	77.6	2	1
I Sharma (INDIA)	2008-2019	46	81	9573	5213	157	7/74	10/108	33.20	3.26	60.9	7	1
Harbhajan Singh (INDIA)	1998-2011	27	50	6817	3407	98	7/120	8/180	34.76	2.99	69.5	6	0
Umar Gul (PAK)	2003-2013	19	36	3881	2261	65	5/123	8/148	34.78	3.49	59.7	1	0
J Srinath (INDIA)	1991-2002	27	49	7453	3612	102	6/76	8/104	35.41	2.90	73.0	4	0
A Kumble (INDIA)	1990-2008	46	84	14215	6632	186	8/141	12/279	35.65	2.79	76.4	8	1
WPUJC Vaas (SL)	1995-2008	29	49	6501	3182	89	6/87	10/90	35.75	2.93	73.0	6	1
RAS Lakmal (SL)	2011-2019	21	37	4365	2276	63	5/54	6/127	36.12	3.12	69.2	3	0
Danish Kaneria (PAK)	2003-2010	21	41	6117	3257	86	7/168	8/204	37.87	3.19	71.1	5	0
R Ashwin (INDIA)	2011-2018	20	34	5107	2476	65	7/83	7/121	38.09	2.90	78.5	2	0
RJ Shastri (INDIA)	1981-1992	30	48	6144	2439	64	5/125	8/179	38.10	2.38	96.0	1	0
HMRKB Herath (SL)	2005-2018	23	39	5604	2655	60	5/79	9/128	44.25	2.84	93.4	2	0
S Venkataraghavan (INDIA)	1967-1983	25	41	6602	2753	62	5/95	6/96	44.40	2.50	106.4	1	0

 

 

Ashwin competing with Shastri. How bad has he been?

a bit  surprised he is that bad... but then  almost all  of the current spinners has been  more or less in the same level.... 

[Rightarmfast]

11 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

@rkt.india.  See how much better Chandra, Bedi and Prasanna have been compared to current spinners, especially Ashwin.

 

@Rightarmfast  this sort of showcases what we were trying to say.

This also proves one more point from the same topic that we were talking of, about the fast bowlers of the past being hyped. If we go by this record, Bumrah has more/similar impact as Wasim/waqar had. Although the sample size is smaller. Even then, it proves that wasim and waqar werent just walking on the field and wickets were tumbling down. Infact, in the small sample size of Bumrah, the frequency of wickets and spacing between them is better for Bumrah. 

We also keep unnecessarily hyping the teams of the past. England and Newzealand were outright poor during 2W's reigns. WI was in the decline. 2W's couldnt replicate their performance  much against the quality Aussie. 

Goes on to show, that this pace trio could well be more exciting and lethal than the other pace duo, and much quicker too.

[Rightarmfast]

28 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

@rkt.india.  See how much better Chandra, Bedi and Prasanna have been compared to current spinners, especially Ashwin.

 

@Rightarmfast  this sort of showcases what we were trying to say.

What makes chandra, bedi and prasanna even greater is the fact they never had a decent fast bowler to open for them and give them that lead. Never been the case with Ashwin or Bhajji. They have had the leisure of coming in to bowl when the opposition were 2-3 down. 

[rtmohanlal]

12 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

This also proves one more point from the same topic that we were talking of, about the fast bowlers of the past being hyped. If we go by this record, Bumrah has more/similar impact as Wasim/waqar had. Although the sample size is smaller. Even then, it proves that wasim and waqar werent just walking on the field and wickets were tumbling down. Infact, in the small sample size of Bumrah, the frequency of wickets and spacing between them is better for Bumrah. 

We also keep unnecessarily hyping the teams of the past. England and Newzealand were outright poor during 2W's reigns. WI was in the decline. 2W's couldnt replicate their performance  much against the quality Aussie. 

Goes on to show, that this pace trio could well be more exciting and lethal than the other pace duo, and much quicker too.

But ,these 2 teams used to  make a a mince meat of our bowling in those days...

[Rightarmfast]

14 Indian bowlers in that list, and only 9 Pakistani bowlers. And the world says Pakistan has been a better bowling factory?

[Rightarmfast]

1 minute ago, rtmohanlal said:

But ,these 2 teams used to  make a a mince meat of our bowling in those days...

Chetan Sharma, Prabhakar, and the spinners? Hell yes. These teams were wary of Srinath and Prasad. Not saying that Prasad was a world beater, but he did have his moments.

[rtmohanlal]

1 minute ago, Rightarmfast said:

Chetan Sharma, Prabhakar, and the spinners? Hell yes. These teams were wary of Srinath and Prasad. Not saying that Prasad was a world beater, but he did have his moments.

Chetan was a good option in ENG. He won the 86 ENG series for us. But then discarded. Rest of these  had their moments  here and there, that's all

[-Robin-]

Even Bhajji has better record than ashwin

[kubrickian]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

@rkt.india.  See how much better Chandra, Bedi and Prasanna have been compared to current spinners, especially Ashwin.

 

@Rightarmfast  this sort of showcases what we were trying to say.

Completely different eras, teams. 

[express bowling]

54 minutes ago, kubrickian said:

Completely different eras, teams. 

 

As @Rightarmfast rightly pointed out ... Chandra, Bedi and Prasanna did not have the advantage of pacers supporting them away from home ... still they fared better.

[Rightarmfast]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

As @Rightarmfast rightly pointed out ... Chandra, Bedi and Prasanna did not have the advantage of pacers supporting them away from home ... still they fared better.

Add to that, these spinners bowled in a pace friendly era where the pitches suited fast bowling, not spin. 

[rkt.india]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

@rkt.india.  See how much better Chandra, Bedi and Prasanna have been compared to current spinners, especially Ashwin.

 

@Rightarmfast  this sort of showcases what we were trying to say.

I had already given you stats of outside India. Check them again.

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Rightarmfast said:

Add to that, these spinners bowled in a pace friendly era where the pitches suited fast bowling, not spin. 

Even Ashwin has bowled in the similar era as well. This is one of the most fast bowling friendly era currently in last 5-6 years.

[rkt.india]

I would say we used to have more spin friendly pitches in 70s-80s as they were poorly managed. 

[Rightarmfast]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Even Ashwin has bowled in the similar era as well. This is one of the most fast bowling friendly era currently in last 5-6 years.

Nothing like that era. The last 5-6 years is a very small sample space, and even then it is not so pacer friendly. You are grossly underestimating 60's,70's and 80's or you are just taking wild guesses.

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

I had already given you stats of outside India. Check them again.

 

Outside Asia is more pertinent here.

[Trichromatic]

3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Even Ashwin has bowled in the similar era as well. This is one of the most fast bowling friendly era currently in last 5-6 years.

Ashwin has missed out easy opportnuties to lead from front on day 5 pitches outside Asia.

[cricketfan28]

9 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

14 Indian bowlers in that list, and only 9 Pakistani bowlers. And the world says Pakistan has been a better bowling factory?

Looks different if we consider the top 10.