Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 5 hours ago, Khota said: No one gets to play if they don't bring stuff to the table. yea but fact check thats not the case.....he lost his place due to injury A lil bit of fact checking never hurt but saves from embarrassment Link to comment
Khota Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 5 hours ago, Muloghonto said: Ashwin is one of the best offies ever actually and streets ahead of Harbhajan, who did not have the patience to control attack as Ashwin did. He was a good bowler early in his career but got lazy, over reliant on the doors and then did the dartbhajan thing even in tests. Except the problem is, spearing in the delivery with very little sidespin only works if the very little side spin is going away from the batsmen, not into them, Hence Harbhajan was useless for latter third of his career while similar darty bowlers like Kumble or Jadeja can thrive: their LB/SLA is far more effective. I’d say Harbhajan is overall the 4th best spinner employed by India since 1990, after Kumble, Ashwin and Jadeja, in that order. Ashwin when started out was fine. Ashwin was the worst spinner in CT. Ashwin probabaly is not even the top 5 spinner in India right now. I will pick Nadeem over him anytime. Harbhajan low was never that low. Agreed on Kumble, he was the best. Link to comment
Khota Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: yea but fact check thats not the case.....he lost his place due to injury A lil bit of fact checking never hurt but saves from embarrassment All your so called all rounders and batsman are falling by the wayside. Pride is still strong. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Khota said: All your so called all rounders and batsman are falling by the wayside. Pride is still strong. really If i remeber ben stokes played one of the best knocks recently Krunal pandya has won MOM in every overseas series Ur All rounder dont exsist thread was put to shame in WC Gollum 1 Link to comment
Khota Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: really If i remeber ben stokes played one of the best knocks recently Krunal pandya has won MOM in every overseas series Ur All rounder dont exsist thread was put to shame in WC My allrounder thread is a decade ahead of time. Your simple brain does not process what I have said. Baseball used to have allrounders and they abandoned it because mathematically they figured out it does not work. Cricket will do so too but change is slow. Like I said your knowledge of sports at higher level is very poor. And baseball is light years ahead of cricket. kruiser 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Khota said: My allrounder thread is a decade ahead of time. Your simple brain does not process what I have said. Baseball used to have allrounders and they abandoned it because mathematically they figured out it does not work. Cricket will do so too but change is slow. Like I said your knowledge of sports at higher level is very poor. And baseball is light years ahead of cricket. Surely ahead of its time....it ll come into implementation post apocalypse Coz as of now if u look every team has 2-3 So watch baseball.......its a diff sport. Link to comment
Khota Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Surely ahead of its time....it ll come into implementation post apocalypse Coz as of now if u look every team has 2-3 So watch baseball.......its a diff sport. I will watch anything I feel like. There aren't 2-3 in every team. India had 0 and the result is 2-0. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Khota said: I will watch anything I feel like. There aren't 2-3 in every team. India had 0 and the result is 2-0. Dont talk like shastri as if opp was some 1980s WI .....It was WI of today ...we wud have won with even binny Gollum 1 Link to comment
Muloghonto Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 13 hours ago, Khota said: Ashwin when started out was fine. Ashwin was the worst spinner in CT. Ashwin probabaly is not even the top 5 spinner in India right now. I will pick Nadeem over him anytime. Harbhajan low was never that low. Agreed on Kumble, he was the best. Nonsense. Pure, utter nonsense. Ashwin has been a far superior spinner than Bhajji day in and day out. As for picking Nadeem over him, that’s pretty much nonsense. Dartbhajans low is way lower than Ashwin. Pakistan tour for eg. Switchblade and Gollum 1 1 Link to comment
Khota Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 50 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Nonsense. Pure, utter nonsense. Ashwin has been a far superior spinner than Bhajji day in and day out. As for picking Nadeem over him, that’s pretty much nonsense. Dartbhajans low is way lower than Ashwin. Pakistan tour for eg. Harbhajan was never the worst spinner in CT. Ashwin has a huge identity crisis. Link to comment
Khota Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 8 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Dont talk like shastri as if opp was some 1980s WI .....It was WI of today ...we wud have won with even binny And Vihari had no contribution? Link to comment
Muloghonto Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, Khota said: Harbhajan was never the worst spinner in CT. Ashwin has a huge identity crisis. One tournament does not make or break a player. Harbhajan has had far worse test series than Ashwin and unlike Ashwin he was never a #1 rated ODI bowler either. Harbhajan is nowhere near Ashwin as a bowler sandeep and Gollum 2 Link to comment
Khota Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 45 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: One tournament does not make or break a player. Harbhajan has had far worse test series than Ashwin and unlike Ashwin he was never a #1 rated ODI bowler either. Harbhajan is nowhere near Ashwin as a bowler That is a opinion. Ashwin is a plain mediocre bowler and nothing else. New guy and sandeep 2 Link to comment
Muloghonto Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 Just now, Khota said: That is a opinion. Ashwin is a plain mediocre bowler and nothing else. Ashwin was ranked #1 in ODIs and Tests. That isn’t an opinion, that’s a fact. Bhajji was not. Also facts. If Ashwin with his massively superior record is mediocre, then Bhajji was even worse. Simple. raki05, OpeningBatsman, Ankit_sharma03 and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment
Khota Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: Ashwin was ranked #1 in ODIs and Tests. That isn’t an opinion, that’s a fact. Bhajji was not. Also facts. If Ashwin with his massively superior record is mediocre, then Bhajji was even worse. Simple. Explain massively superior record? Ankit_sharma03 1 Link to comment
Vilander Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, Khota said: Explain massively superior record? are you contesting massively or superior record ? Link to comment
Vilander Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 what harbhajan is doing is ugly. just because a player replaced him in the team he reserves a grudge, its unbecoming. Gollum and vijaydude 2 Link to comment
Muloghonto Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Khota said: Explain massively superior record? More wickets per match , superior strike rate, average, five fors , ten fors, superior home average, superior away average, superior record vs all teams played by both, except Australia ( where it’s close- Bhajji averages 29.95 vs Oz, Ravi averages 31.89), superior average in every single country played by both except South Africa. Ashwin has superior consistency rate too: has 6/8 seasons averaging under 30 with the ball( 5 of which are average of 25 or under ), while Bhajji only has 4/16 seasons averaging under 30, with only 3 averaging 25 or under. All this translates to massively superior record as Ashwin has a superior record to Bhajji in almost every category. raki05, Ankit_sharma03, Gollum and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment
Khota Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: More wickets per match , superior strike rate, average, five fors , ten fors, superior home average, superior away average, superior record vs all teams played by both, except Australia ( where it’s close- Bhajji averages 29.95 vs Oz, Ravi averages 31.89), superior average in every single country played by both except South Africa. Ashwin has superior consistency rate too: has 6/8 seasons averaging under 30 with the ball( 5 of which are average of 25 or under ), while Bhajji only has 4/16 seasons averaging under 30, with only 3 averaging 25 or under. All this translates to massively superior record as Ashwin has a superior record to Bhajji in almost every category. Harbhajan was sharing his work load with the best spinner of all times. Ashwin did not do that. harbhajan was never the worst bowler in any important tournament. Ashwin was. sandeep and Vilander 1 1 Link to comment
Muloghonto Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 22 minutes ago, Khota said: Harbhajan was sharing his work load with the best spinner of all times. Ashwin did not do that. harbhajan was never the worst bowler in any important tournament. Ashwin was. Sharing workloads with world class bowlers almost always produces superior averages but lower wickets/match. This is provable by numerous analysis. You are not helping Bhajji cause here. Being the worst bowler for a week or two of his career doesn’t change the fact that Ashwin is head and shoulders above Bhajji as a bowler over their careers and dominates Bhajji in almost every measurable criteria. vijaydude, Ankit_sharma03, Gollum and 1 other 4 Link to comment
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