Vihari or Hardik - Who provides more value to the team

[vishalvirsingh]

I am a very big Hardik Fan.

 

He is God gifted.

Vihari is hardworking and a good batsmen but when you need fast runs ..hardik is ahead.

I would pick Hardik as our no 7.

 

[Rightarmfast]

49 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

I am a very big Hardik Fan.

 

He is God gifted.

Vihari is hardworking and a good batsmen but when you need fast runs ..hardik is ahead.

I would pick Hardik as our no 7.

 

How many times do you need fast runs in test cricket? And if it's about fast runs, why not pick Shubhman gill for that position? Surely he can do what Hardik a claimed to be doing?

[Khota]

Vihari with his determination has shown to everyone and selectors in particular that he belongs in the team. He puts a prize on his wkt and was able to grind the opposition. Pandya lovers need to understand that he does not have the skill set to replicate what Vihari did. I do not need Pandya to take an ocassional wkt and score few runs. I expect consistency which is missing.

[rtmohanlal]

there is no doubt  that Vihari as a specialist batsman & as a useful   part time spinner deserves his chances. At the same time disappointed that Hardik is denied of his chances too.  His test record after a cycle of tough away series has been satisfactory for a rookie.

[Sooda]

On 9/11/2019 at 1:18 AM, SUMO said:

no place for bits and pieces players in test cricket. Hardik has to get into the team based on one skill set, which he doesn't.

I dont agree with that. Rare to get allrounders who get into their teams based on one skill set. Hardik is not that yet, so we take his value as a combination of both facets. He still better than "bits and pieces"  And as such I think he adds more value than Vihari - as good as Vihari has been.

 

I Dont expect phenomenal consistency from Hardik: Scoring some quick useful runs in the lower middle order and bowling 10 to 12 overs hopefully keeping pressure on, chipping in with a wicket, relieving the pacemen from bowling long hard spells in the heat

 

 

I would go for Hardik instead of Vihari. 2 pacemen and 2 spinners in the bowling attack

Edited September 12, 2019 by Sooda

[putrevus]

16 minutes ago, Sooda said:

I dont agree with that. Rare to get allrounders who get into their teams based on one skill set. Hardik is not that yet, so we take his value as a combination of both facets. He still better than "bits and pieces"  And as such I think he adds more value than Vihari - as good as Vihari has been.

 

I Dont expect phenomenal consistency from Hardik: Scoring some quick useful runs in the lower middle order and bowling 10 to 12 overs hopefully keeping pressure on, chipping in with a wicket, relieving the pacemen from bowling long hard spells in the heat

 

 

I would go for Hardik instead of Vihari. 2 pacemen and 2 spinners in the bowling attack

That is the definition of bits and pieces player.You don't need that any great allrounder in past merited his place based on one skill.Pandya is neither here nor there.He should have never played so many tests.

[cricketfan28]

On 9/10/2019 at 7:47 AM, Khota said:

I have a very good attitude. I should be in the team.

I am pretty sure you are successful in whatever your field is.

 

[Khota]

1 hour ago, cricketfan28 said:

I am pretty sure you are successful in whatever your field is.

 

I have lot of self doubt. Some people think I suck.

[Rightarmfast]

11 hours ago, Sooda said:

I dont agree with that. Rare to get allrounders who get into their teams based on one skill set. Hardik is not that yet, so we take his value as a combination of both facets. He still better than "bits and pieces"  And as such I think he adds more value than Vihari - as good as Vihari has been.

 

I Dont expect phenomenal consistency from Hardik: Scoring some quick useful runs in the lower middle order and bowling 10 to 12 overs hopefully keeping pressure on, chipping in with a wicket, relieving the pacemen from bowling long hard spells in the heat

 

 

I would go for Hardik instead of Vihari. 2 pacemen and 2 spinners in the bowling attack

Even a hapless Kapil Dev, without any bowling partner was a bloody good bowler who used to carry the weight of the bowling. Mediocre allrounders like Heath Streak were out and out genuine pace bowlers. Let's not even talk about Wasim Akram. 

Hardik Pandya has been the single biggest reason for our losses last year. 

I have no qualms about him being in LOI and T20. But he merits no slot in the test team.

[rtmohanlal]

10 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

Even a hapless Kapil Dev, without any bowling partner was a bloody good bowler who used to carry the weight of the bowling. Mediocre allrounders like Heath Streak were out and out genuine pace bowlers. Let's not even talk about Wasim Akram. 

Hardik Pandya has been the single biggest reason for our losses last year. 

I have no qualms about him being in LOI and T20. But he merits no slot in the test team.

Hardik averages  31.29 with bat & 31.05 with the ball in tests  after playing  just 11 tests .He played 18 inns bar one   abroad . Has 5 50+ scores of which 3 are  >=71 & another  52* in ENG where he could have added lot more. His  93 came  against a deadly attack when team was  really struggling in SAF. Has a 5 wkt haul in ENG in the lone match India won. If this is at least not  a  satisfactory  record for a rookie, then I don't know what it is.

[mani sha]

Depends on surface 

 

on indian pitches with ashwin And Jadeja I would add a third spinner rather than Pandya as  Jadeja and ashwin give good batting depth 

 

Pandya is v v useful in all outside countries . He is useful as a number 6 batsman . He is the best no 6 india has with Bihari at no 5 Kohli at 4 Pujara at 3 and shaw and Agarwal st 1 and 2 ( sharma is the useless joker and rahane is past his prime ) 

[Khota]

6 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Even a hapless Kapil Dev, without any bowling partner was a bloody good bowler who used to carry the weight of the bowling. Mediocre allrounders like Heath Streak were out and out genuine pace bowlers. Let's not even talk about Wasim Akram. 

Hardik Pandya has been the single biggest reason for our losses last year. 

I have no qualms about him being in LOI and T20. But he merits no slot in the test team.

This^^^^^

[rtmohanlal]

5 hours ago, Khota said:

This^^^^^

 

11 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Even a hapless Kapil Dev, without any bowling partner was a bloody good bowler who used to carry the weight of the bowling. Mediocre allrounders like Heath Streak were out and out genuine pace bowlers. Let's not even talk about Wasim Akram. 

Hardik Pandya has been the single biggest reason for our losses last year. 

I have no qualms about him being in LOI and T20. But he merits no slot in the test team.

if it is about SAF & ENG series losses,   what about several of the specialist batsmen?  They  have been the culprits  not Pandya

[Deleted_User_1]

The difference between them is as follows:

   1. Pandu maidan ke bahar "kar-ke" maidan mein aata hain.

   2. Vihari maidan mein 'kar-ke" maidan ke bahar jaata hain.

 

Understood?

Edited September 13, 2019 by Audiophile

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, rtmohanlal said:

 

if it is about SAF & ENG series losses,   what about several of the specialist batsmen?  They  have been the culprits  not Pandya

no of course not how can they be responsible .......it has to be pandya 

1st they ll say Pandya is not worthy enough of test spot then they expect consistency from him as well

 

In Sa everyone scored in one inning  apart from kohli - but pandya scores in one inning that has to behighlighted ....not to forget openers n rohit sharma who cudnt even score in one innings

 

In eng.....he won u one n only game but question is why didnt he win u other games......ofcourse they expect the player whom they call worthless to win all games. No one apart from kohli was consistent but blame has to be put on pandya. Who cares atleast he won u one game....need someone to blame .

 

 

Now comes 6th batsman in aus- whose best contribution was mere one fifty which even pandya scored in eng n sa.....but his one fifty is seen as game changer - not our bowling , not steve smith absence , not pujara consistency which was missing in SA n ENG

 

Vihari scores in WI so ofcourse he is better then pandya ......WI n ENG, SA attacks are after all of same quality n pitches are equally hard . Im not saying vihari is bad.....but if comparisons are to be done lets judge them on equal ground coz even vihari didnt do anything in Aus 

 

 

They are spot on....it was becoz of pandya we lost.....coz acc to them he cant earn a spot in team on any basis but has to be consistent for sure even if others are not 

Edited September 13, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[Ankit_sharma03]

On 9/12/2019 at 5:45 PM, Khota said:

Rohit opening is the right call.

 

On 9/12/2019 at 5:32 PM, Khota said:

Vihari with his determination has shown to everyone and selectors in particular that he belongs in the team. He puts a prize on his wkt and was able to grind the opposition. Pandya lovers need to understand that he does not have the skill set to replicate what Vihari did. I do not need Pandya to take an ocassional wkt and score few runs. I expect consistency which is missing.

 

On 9/9/2019 at 10:52 PM, Khota said:

This^^^^^^

 

This^^^^^^ is what u call hypocrisy .........Expecting pandya to be consistent n other hand saying making rohit an opener is fair

 

Pandya who made 90+ in SA as compare to rohit who after 2 tour doesnt even have 100 run in total

Pandya who has won a game overseas vs Rohit who has been one the worst Indian batsman in overseas 

 

Selection of Rohit is right as compare to guys like gill, easwaran, panchal who has done every thing to earn a place but we have to fit rohit somewhere as he has failed everywhere so lets try him at one more slot

 

[R!TTER]

20 hours ago, rtmohanlal said:

if it is about SAF & ENG series losses,   what about several of the specialist batsmen?  They  have been the culprits  not Pandya

This has been discussed to death, the specialist bats are responsible for batting & answerable in such cases! What is Pandya in the team for? Also Curran - batting lower down the order is (slightly) easier than batting at the top, just look at the current Ashes! Depending on who you ask the pitches are easier than our series & as we know Curran was the (major) difference between the 2 sides, how come Panyda has just 1 innings of note with bat+ball out of 8 he played in? The same was the case in SA, you can't keep deflecting to - butt butt other batters, all the time you know 

[Khota]

1 hour ago, rtmohanlal said:

 

if it is about SAF & ENG series losses,   what about several of the specialist batsmen?  They  have been the culprits  not Pandya

Get off Pandya bandwagon. Wheels are coming off.

[Khota]

6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

 

 

This^^^^^^ is what u call hypocrisy .........Expecting pandya to be consistent n other hand saying making rohit an opener is fair

 

Pandya who made 90+ in SA as compare to rohit who after 2 tour doesnt even have 100 run in total

Pandya who has won a game overseas vs Rohit who has been one the worst Indian batsman in overseas 

 

Selection of Rohit is right as compare to guys like gill, easwaran, panchal who has done every thing to earn a place but we have to fit rohit somewhere as he has failed everywhere so lets try him at one more slot

 

Noone has milked 90+ more than Pandya and his followers. Rohit has much higher ceiling and can scores centuries consistently. pandya never will.

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, Khota said:

Noone has milked 90+ more than Pandya and his followers. Rohit has much higher ceiling and can scores centuries consistently. pandya never will.

find me something that u can milk for Rohit....rohit cant even score a total of 90 on two tours whichis total of 8 innings 

Chal tu utna hi dhundh le ......atleast we have something to milk what do  u have for rohit to milk

Edited September 13, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03