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It has always been a dumb tradition in Indian cricket to put someone in test team just because they have done well in limited overs cricket despite the fact they are completely different ball games. Yuvraj, Raina etc  selections are prime examples of that and it happened under Ganguly's watch as well. Not surprised Ganguly is advocating Rohit's inclusion as a test opener despite the fact he has never opened in longer version even in Ranji trophy.

 

Yuvi and Raina were also given a long rope in national side despite having glaring technical deficiencies. As a result, other capable players were not given the opportunity to prove themselves and we never found a decent No. 6. I see that they haven't learned anything from the past and this dumb tradition continues.

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On 9/10/2019 at 12:00 PM, Stan AF said:

Selection team idiots doing the worst possible thing as always. Ideally Rohit should be gven the captaincy of both the limited overs formats and all the new kids should be given chances into the test teams.

 

It's time the management takes a long hard look at muti-format players and start reducing their numbers. Except for Bumrah, Kohli and to an extent Shami I ideally don't see a point where players play all three formats. This is a malady plaguing the team for a long time.

 

 

The thinking among elite indian cricket circles, as mentioned several times by Ganguly, seems to be that if you are a good cricketer you can and should  play all formats. Test players not playing ODIs leaves them without 'match fitness' apparently. Unless we go beyond this line of thought, expect more of these confused selectoral games. Also, we find it soo hard to move beyond players , despite obvious weaknesses in certain conditions. Kumble recently was talking about Ashwin bring 'no. 1 spinner' and how we just had to find way to play both him and jadeja in overseas tests...So Kuldeep who got a fiver in last test he played in Sydney and who shastri had said will be no. 1 overseas spinner is not even in picture for kumble? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/sports/cricket/story/kuldeep-yadav-will-be-our-number-one-spinner-in-overseas-tests-now-ravi-shastri-1448507-2019-02-05

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If I was a selector I wouldn't have picked rohit as test opener.

Normally in tests pitches give some scope and advantage to fast bowlers. When these conditions are very favourable bowlers exploit to the fullest now. Even fielding standards have improved that's why shikhar has failed as test opener .

I would give kl rahul more chances along with mayank.

Both have great capabilities to succeed in tests. My money is on mayank to succeed more in tests and kl more in ODI.

Mayank is solid in defence.

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53 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Among all the test openers, only two have had an away avergae of 50+, Graeme Smith and Gavaskar. Sehwag is at number 6 with a 45+ away average. How exactly is that 'failure'

Sehwag has an average of 35 outside SC.

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2 hours ago, Prabhdeep Singh said:

Few players who did well going from MO to opening in Tests.

 

T Dilshan

S Katich

S Jayasuriya

S Fleming

 

 

I am talking about success outside SC for SC players. Dilshan, jaysuriya, Fleming aren't the most successful test openers.

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When prithvi is not available, no harm in going for rohit for few matches.
I didnt like priyank in the recent WI A tour, dont think he is test standard. Gaikwad is suited for LOI first. 
There was only 2 choices literally Easwaran and Rohit. No harm in going for Rohit, lets check him.

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2 hours ago, SUMO said:

When prithvi is not available, no harm in going for rohit for few matches.
I didnt like priyank in the recent WI A tour, dont think he is test standard. Gaikwad is suited for LOI first. 
There was only 2 choices literally Easwaran and Rohit. No harm in going for Rohit, lets check him.

    But why not Mayank & Gill as openers? Also this experimentation would have been good from long term point of view .

    Rather than Rohit failing in 2 tests abroad and then you give chance to these youngsters directly in overseas conditions , why not introduce them in      a   home series and  help them settle . 

    

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2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Why didnt they make Rohit open in Aus ....what was the need to sacrifice vihari then ??

Thats is why these 3 kohli-shastri-msk are one the biggest fool in Indian cricket 

Msk is a doofus with no real power. The axis of evil (Kohli/Shastri/Dhoni) along with their stooges (Rohit/Dhawan) are running the show.

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Since Rohit is likely to fail in that unsuitable position...old prick sunny G will say how can you play a middle order batsman as an opener..and blame the selectors for not giving him another chance in middle order..shastri will ensure another run... by then all opening contenders like easwaran, panchal will become 28 and will be deemed too old...

 

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The other side of sehwag temptation. When Ganguly wanted to make another sehwag n made yuvraj open in test cricket changing the settled pair of aakash chopra n sehwag which at that time made vice captain- dravid angry . The next test dravid became captain n immediately changed back to aakash chopra
 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

The other side of sehwag temptation. When Ganguly wanted to make another sehwag n made yuvraj open in test cricket changing the settled pair of aakash chopra n sehwag which at that time made vice captain- dravid angry . The next test dravid became captain n immediately changed back to aakash chopra
 

 

 

Except in Australia, Sehwag himself found it difficult to score runs in SENA after 2003.. an extremely bad move considering how pitches are so much in favor of fast bowlers..

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3 minutes ago, Vk1 said:

Except in Australia, Sehwag himself found it difficult to score runs in SENA after 2003.. an extremely bad considering how pitches are so much in favor of fast bowlers..

He did score on his 1st SA n ENG tour hundreds ....rest sena country tours came in his worst phases. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

He did score on his 1st SA n ENG tour hundreds ....rest sena country tours came in his worst phases. 

 

Yes he did..Sehwag is a Maverick..had a good defence and was always intimidating..

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1 minute ago, Vk1 said:

Yes he did..Sehwag is a Maverick..had a good defence and was always intimidating..

his biggest quality was his mindset.....as clear as anything which is of steve smith as well. Ppl think anyone who plays aggresively = sehwag

but what made sehwag diff was his uncluttered mindset. He lived by the sword n died by the sword 

 

 

Ian chappell xplains it very well 

 

 

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8 hours ago, rkt.india said:

I am talking about success outside SC for SC players. Dilshan, jaysuriya, Fleming aren't the most successful test openers.

Do you call Greenidge, Haynes, Gooch Langer and Warner as not 'successful openers' for not being very productive in Asia?

 

By your criteria, there have been only two good openers ever - Gavaskar and Graeme Smith. Rest others have had major holes in 3-4 countries.

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9 hours ago, rkt.india said:

I am talking about success outside SC for SC players. Dilshan, jaysuriya, Fleming aren't the most successful test openers.

So who are the openers who were successful outside SC.

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2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Why didnt they make Rohit open in Aus ....what was the need to sacrifice vihari then ??

Thats is why these 3 kohli-shastri-msk are one the biggest fool in Indian cricket 

extremely well said.....these dumb asses have no senses what so ever ..... no wonder with these frauds at the helm  even more bizarre things like 'proclaiming Rayudu as the best no: 4 for the world cup, dropping Rayudu at the last moment etc etc ' can keep on  happening again and again.

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23 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

extremely well said.....these dumb asses have no senses what so ever ..... no wonder with these frauds at the helm  even more bizarre things like 'proclaiming Rayudu as the best no: 4 for the world cup, dropping Rayudu at the last moment etc etc ' can keep on  happening again and again.

xactly 

When rahul was in form n got injured - dhawan scored runs against SL n shastri said in open dhawan is our no.1 choice opener....when acc to their karun nair dropping logic the player who owns the spot gets his spot back post injury but that wasnt the case. Guess how many games they stuck with dhwan after giving such statement- 1 game

 

They cant stick to any decison be it right or wrong which is why no.4 never got solved. The only position that are settled under them were settled during dhoni ......or settled by accident 

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3 hours ago, prudent_kreeda said:

    But why not Mayank & Gill as openers? Also this experimentation would have been good from long term point of view .

    Rather than Rohit failing in 2 tests abroad and then you give chance to these youngsters directly in overseas conditions , why not introduce them in      a   home series and  help them settle . 

    

Gill is not a regular opener. And prithvi will definitely come back later. Then again changing gill's batting order will clutter his mind.

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19 minutes ago, SUMO said:

Gill is not a regular opener. And prithvi will definitely come back later. Then again changing gill's batting order will clutter his mind.

  Is he not playing as Opener in all recent  IND A games  and making lots of runs ? 

  Even MSK is saying GIll will be considered for both opening & middle order ...

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19 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

  Is he not playing as Opener in all recent  IND A games  and making lots of runs ? 

  Even MSK is saying GIll will be considered for both opening & middle order ...

He rarely opens in first class games....in the recent A tour of WI he batted at 3/4 in 3 tests. his 204* came at no 4.
In ODI he can play anywhere in top 4.

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1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

xactly 

When rahul was in form n got injured - dhawan scored runs against SL n shastri said in open dhawan is our no.1 choice opener....when acc to their karun nair dropping logic the player who owns the spot gets his spot back post injury but that wasnt the case. Guess how many games they stuck with dhwan after giving such statement- 1 game

 

They cant stick to any decison be it right or wrong which is why no.4 never got solved. The only position that are settled under them were settled during dhoni ......or settled by accident 

as I earlier said, the only way to  have any effect on these oppertunistic  morons is for fans to flock into their social media  accounts and make them aware of their pucca contradictory  & oppertunistic statements like these there by criticizing them   so severely even to the extends of foul mouthing.

That is the only way to have any impacts on these   greedy parasites. Otherwise they will keep on doing these  because for them it is a monstrous money spinning business at the expense of the emotions , time etc etc of crores of hard core fans across the nation. After all what good to expect from the  ultimate parasite coach  who stated playing t20s in advance  would serve as practice matches for such a high profile test series  ?

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20 hours ago, Prabhdeep Singh said:

Can you imagine if he succeeds as opener.

Problem is most can not imagine that ever happening. Tests are unforgiving on technique, esp against lateral movement , which is also Rohits one weakness.  If he somehow learns to cope with it, he will become a great for India. 

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If Rohit wanted to play as an opener and TM wanted him to play in the team why the heck they kept on giving Rahul so many chances.Rahul was a gone case long long time back.That bloody fluky Oval century screwed Indian team too.

 

I don't think TM has any confidence in him as an opener but all these bozos (former players) fighting for his cause has forced their hand.TM  if they wanted to Rohit to be an opener they would have dropped Rahul in WI .

 

What is this former player singing praises of Sehwag as an opener. Sehwag was failure in SA, ENG, NZ.He tasted some success in Australia.Sehwag was the best in subcontinent and was ok in WI .But in SENA countries he was not good.Rohit will be the same.

 

Murali Vijay was a flop in SENA countries for most part too.

 

 

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1 hour ago, putrevus said:

If Rohit wanted to play as an opener and TM wanted him to play in the team why the heck they kept on giving Rahul so many chances.Rahul was a gone case long long time back.That bloody fluky Oval century screwed Indian team too.

How was it fluky.....did u see runs flying of edge. No one can make 149 by fluke.

No one is gone in such young age........every player has gone through this n come out . Rahane just saw a lull of 3 yrs 

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I don't think TM has any confidence in him as an opener but all these bozos (former players) fighting for his cause has forced their hand.TM  if they wanted to Rohit to be an opener they would have dropped Rahul in WI .

Better question is why didnt these kohli n shastri sacrifice vihari for opening in Aus....it cud have ended his career

Thats why they are horrible when it comes to handling youngsters .....every series their plan changes.....

Talent needs patience ......which is why most youngsters dont go anywere under them

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What is this former player singing praises of Sehwag as an opener. Sehwag was failure in SA, ENG, NZ.He tasted some success in Australia.Sehwag was the best in subcontinent and was ok in WI .But in SENA countries he was not good.Rohit will be the same.

How was sehwag a failure in SENA

He has a 100 in SA , ENG, 2 in Aus, 

He was inconsistent but not a failure......its hard for most subcontinent batsman to be consistent abroad as they go after 4 years n generally in that phase form fluctuates . 

 

Dravid doesnt have a gr8 Record in SA, SL even in Aus avg is 41 which is decent 

Laxman was only consistent in Aus 

Ganguly only consistent in ENG

Pujara hasnt been consistent overseas

Rahane has been consistently inconsistent 

 

Only tendulkar , kohli have been consistent overseas for years in most countries 

 

Expectation dekho- sab tendulkar, kohli , gavaskar nhin ho sakte

 

N no Rohit cant be same as sehwag.....sehwag on debut scored a 100 in SA.....Rohit collectively wont have 100 runs in SA in 2 tours 

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Murali Vijay was a flop in SENA countries for most part too.

 

 

Vijay did decent till he has his downfall....yet was useful overseas

Shows how diff it has been for indian openers for overseas when sehwag n vijay who can be said as 2nd or 3rd best opners overseas have been this consistent. 

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14 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

How was it fluky.....did u see runs flying of edge. No one can make 149 by fluke.

No one is gone in such young age........every player has gone through this n come out . Rahane just saw a lull of 3 yrs 

Better question is why didnt these kohli n shastri sacrifice vihari for opening in Aus....it cud have ended his career

Thats why they are horrible when it comes to handling youngsters .....every series their plan changes.....

Talent needs patience ......which is why most youngsters dont go anywere under them

How was sehwag a failure in SENA

He has a 100 in SA , ENG, 2 in Aus, 

He was inconsistent but not a failure......its hard for most subcontinent batsman to be consistent abroad as they go after 4 years n generally in that phase form fluctuates . 

 

Dravid doesnt have a gr8 Record in SA, SL even in Aus avg is 41 which is decent 

Laxman was only consistent in Aus 

Ganguly only consistent in ENG

Pujara hasnt been consistent overseas

Rahane has been consistently inconsistent 

 

Only tendulkar , kohli have been consistent overseas for years in most countries 

 

Expectation dekho- sab tendulkar, kohli , gavaskar nhin ho sakte

 

N no Rohit cant be same as sehwag.....sehwag on debut scored a 100 in SA.....Rohit collectively wont have 100 runs in SA in 2 tours 

Vijay did decent till he has his downfall....yet was useful overseas

Shows how diff it has been for indian openers for overseas when sehwag n vijay who can be said as 2nd or 3rd best opners overseas have been this consistent. 

TM are fine in handling players, Rahul was never that good, it was bloody flukey innings.Rahul got so many chances what did he do with them nothing.Once he got IPL taste he was totally lost cause.

 

Fab4 were not that great as they are made out to be.Vijay was another  guy who other than taking shine off rarely was a winning player.

 

Gone are the days when Indian players were not expected to deliver overseas. They have to deliver overseas now to be in the team.We need winning players who can deliver when chips are down.

 

Thats why I wanted guy like Gill to be opener for home season.So he could be ready for NZ series.

 

 

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