Solution to Kashmir

[veer]

2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

This is such a dumb idea and shows such lack of realpolitik. No country ever gives up a claim- never mind something they are legally in right at- without decisive, tangible gains. So what gains are there in recognizing LoC as international border ? Zero, zip, nada, zilch. It won’t stop the Pakistani from wanting out land. It won’t stop their terrorism. It won’t do anything. 

Now that J n K is India's control territory and with all separatist welcome to join Pakistani land by moving across LOC we can have a firm control on terrorist activities.. all the funds gonna get cut off as well so you may think it's a dumb idea but it could be one of those ideas that Modi Sarkar may be thinking...

[The Dark Horse]

If we do that, do you think it will end? They will start encroaching more and claim more...China will do the same. It will be seen as a weak move and practically no party would do this.

[veer]

9 minutes ago, The Dark Horse said:

If we do that, do you think it will end? They will start encroaching more and claim more...China will do the same. It will be seen as a weak move and practically no party would do this.

But India of today is not same as one in 50s and 70s.. we are much more capable of striking inside enemy line now.. That's the thing.. the whole mind set is different now after Surgical strikes and 370A removal.. 

 

And our whole mantra should be 'J & K is ours and if anyone wants to separate from India... there is the door.. Period'

[Deleted_User_1]

The whole of India including IOK should secede to Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Problem solved ekdom jhakas! All women will be required to cover head to toe with beekeeper’s suit ... Inshallah! 

[veer]

3 minutes ago, Audiophile said:

The whole of India including IOK should secede to Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Problem solved ekdom jhakas! All women will be required to cover head to toe with beekeeper’s suit ... Inshallah! 

stop trolling every thread dude.. 

[Deleted_User_1]

26 minutes ago, veer said:

stop trolling every thread dude.. 

Trolling? Me? I am being honest here.

[Muloghonto]

3 hours ago, veer said:

And what about lives and funds and energy that gets wasted to maintain that claim? And do you feel any connection with muzzafarabad?.. heck I didn't even know it was part of Kashmir a month back... While J n K was always a part of India...

 

Modi and Shah showed enormous guts to remove 370A.. and we would only gain from moving on as a country.. 

No lives and funds are wasted to maintain a claim , as mintaining PoK is ours or not is not changing any ground realities across the LoC. Saying it isn’t gonna make Pakistani our friends or them to stop selling guns to terrorists.

[Muloghonto]

3 hours ago, veer said:

Now that J n K is India's control territory and with all separatist welcome to join Pakistani land by moving across LOC we can have a firm control on terrorist activities.. all the funds gonna get cut off as well so you may think it's a dumb idea but it could be one of those ideas that Modi Sarkar may be thinking...

Now ? It’s always been Indian controlled territory . Making a state into a UT or vice versa doesn’t change control by sovereign power or default power in the land. We have no more or no less firm control of the LoC due to Kashmir’s status change. It’s still identically militarized zone.

[mishra]

10 hours ago, Autonomous said:

China's interest and investment in GB is huge. KKH itself is massive

What are you talking man? China wants BRI sucess, It doesn’t necessarily oppose BRI to point of war,  even if it goes via India or India doesn’t allows it.

Edited September 18, 2019 by mishra

[Autonomous]

2 hours ago, mishra said:

What are you talking man? China wants BRI sucess, It doesn’t necessarily oppose BRI to point of war,  even if it goes via India or India doesn’t allows it.

And China has made significant investment and funding in that region (under BRI) as well as for connecting it all the way to Gwadar & Karachi including construction of M3, M4, M5, M8 and M9 with other projects still underway. Whereas DI Khan will help connect to Balochistan. 

 

Not sure what you are talking about. GB People actually want to be a part of pakistan and in reality it is PK who is not willing its integration as province due to the stance over IOK. 

 

I pity your delusions and lack of knowledge but then again, its understandable. 

Edited September 18, 2019 by Autonomous

[mishra]

1 hour ago, Autonomous said:

And China has made significant investment and funding in that region (under BRI) as well as for connecting it all the way to Gwadar & Karachi including construction of M3, M4, M5, M8 and M9 with other projects still underway. Whereas DI Khan will help connect to Balochistan. 

 

Not sure what you are talking about. GB People actually want to be a part of pakistan and in reality it is PK who is not willing its integration as province due to the stance over IOK. 

 

I pity your delusions and lack of knowledge but then again, its understandable. 

 

No need to pity me. There was a document of accession signed by Maharaj Hari Singh. It still exists. Look at the map of his rule. All that belongs to India. Whether you call it Pok or whatever doesnt matter. Nether does matter what handfull of people living in that region thinks. India can not go and visit each individual and ask them of their opinion. Just like every other ruler who signed document of accession, Hari Singhs document stands as most and only real legal document for claiming the rights. And that how things works.  China also knows it, accepts the reality and hence it is doing minimal (just good enough to support its CPEC investment in Pakistan) investment in that territory as part of CPEC.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jammu_and_Kashmir_(princely_state)

 

BTW, why do you think India will or must block access to Chinese investment in Pakistan even if India regains PoK? Do you not see how easily the so called Chinese investment safety issue in Pakistan (not PoK) can be resolved by India China in single high level meet.

 

Edited September 18, 2019 by mishra

[Autonomous]

13 minutes ago, mishra said:

 

No need to pity me. There was a document of accession signed by Maharaj Hari Singh. It still exists. Look at the map of his rule. All that belongs to India. Whether you call it Pok or whatever doesnt matter. Nether does matter what handfull of people living in that region thinks. India can not go and visit each individual and ask them of their opinion. Just like every other ruler who signed document of accession, Hari Singhs document stands as most and only real legal document for claiming the rights. And that how things works.  China also knows it, accepts the reality and hence it is doing limited investment in that territory as part of CPEC.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jammu_and_Kashmir_(princely_state)

 

BTW, why do you think India will or must block access to Chinese investment in Pakistan even if India regains PoK? Do you not see how easily the so called Chinese investment issue can be resolved by India China in single high level meet.

 

Because all these investments originate from Karakoram Highway, Hazara Motorway being built to connect KP with GB while running aside KKH. 

 

I doubt you even know what the word "strategy" means.

 

And how did Hari Singh fall into our discussion while we were talking about China's Investment? You sound lost and confused. 

 

As a matter of fact, neither the people nor the land can ever be yours, I repeat. 

Edited September 18, 2019 by Autonomous

[Autonomous]

And Limited Investment?

 

1- Total Reconstruction of KKH

 

2- Strategic Express Way like that of Isb-Murree being built for Gilgit-Skardu

 

3- Operational road maintainance due to heavy transport movement and lndslides

 

4- Construction of tunnels at KKH

 

These are few road projects within GB, whereas the region has capitalized upon buoyant tourism in areas like Fairy Meadows, Hunza, Skardu, Naltar etc. while recent governments have put in complete efforts to rovide facilities, good thing is you don't even have to put in the amount of force and army into the area for control purposes. 

 

Pakistan should integrate GB as a province. 

 

Edited September 18, 2019 by Autonomous

[mishra]

51 minutes ago, Autonomous said:

Because all these investments originate from Karakoram Highway, Hazara Motorway being built to connect KP with GB while running aside KKH. 

 

I doubt you even know what the word "strategy" means.

 

And how did Hari Singh fall into our discussion while we were talking about China's Investment? You sound lost and confused. 

 

As a matter of fact, neither the people nor the land can ever be yours, I repeat. 

CPEC or any investment is not a island which can be treated independent of political reality. Just because Pakistan has temprary control over PoK doesnt mean, India will not ever try to annex it. Let us be very clear on it. Sooner or later, If India can, it will. Now only delusional discussion here is China will go to war with India over cost of a 50 mile highway. Or its investment in Pakistan is not safe if it doesnt goes to war along with Pakistan against India for 50 mile highway stretch.

 

So

1. Pakistan may or may not go to all out war with India over Kashmir. In any case, Pakistan will not use nuclear weapon as long as India doesnt Bomb Islamabad.

2. Currently, India will not go to all out war with Pakistan over PoK. But it is allmost prepared for limited war on LoC and arming itself with most modern weapons , creating diplomatic and testing its own peoples mood over it.

3. China will not fire a single bullet.

[mishra]

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बिनय न मानत जलधि जड़ गए तीनि दिन बीति। बोले राम सकोप तब भय बिनु होइ न प्रीति॥57॥	इधर तीन दिन बीत गए, किंतु जड़ समुद्र विनय नहीं मानता। तब श्री रामजी क्रोध सहित बोले- बिना भय के प्रीति नहीं होती!॥57॥	Although three days had elapsed, the crass ocean would not answer the Lords prayer. Sri Ram thereupon indignantly said, There can be no friendship without inspiring fear.॥57॥
लछिमन बान सरासन आनू। सोषौं बारिधि बिसिख कृसानु॥ सठ सन बिनय कुटिल सन प्रीति। सहज कृपन सन सुंदर नीति॥1॥	हे लक्ष्मण! धनुष-बाण लाओ, मैं अग्निबाण से समुद्र को सोख डालूँ। मूर्ख से विनय, कुटिल के साथ प्रीति, स्वाभाविक ही कंजूस से सुंदर नीति (उदारता का उपदेश),॥1॥	Lakshman, bring Me My bow and arrows; I will dry up the ocean with a missile presided over by the god of fire. Supplication before an idiot, friendship with a rogue, inculcating liberality on a born miser,॥1॥
ममता रत सन ग्यान कहानी। अति लोभी सन बिरति बखानी॥ क्रोधिहि सम कामिहि हरिकथा। ऊसर बीज बएँ फल जथा॥2॥	ममता में फँसे हुए मनुष्य से ज्ञान की कथा, अत्यंत लोभी से वैराग्य का वर्णन, क्रोधी से शम (शांति) की बात और कामी से भगवान्‌ की कथा, इनका वैसा ही फल होता है जैसा ऊसर में बीज बोने से होता है (अर्थात्‌ ऊसर में बीज बोने की भाँति यह सब व्यर्थ जाता है)॥2॥	talking wisdom to one steeped in worldliness, glorifying dispassion before a man of excessive greed, a lecture on mind control to an irascible man and a discourse on the exploits of Sri Hari to a libidinous person are as futile as sowing seeds in a barren land.॥2॥
अस कहि रघुपति चाप चढ़ावा। यह मत लछिमन के मन भावा॥ संधानेउ प्रभु बिसिख कराला। उठी उदधि उर अंतर ज्वाला॥3॥	ऐसा कहकर श्री रघुनाथजी ने धनुष चढ़ाया। यह मत लक्ष्मणजी के मन को बहुत अच्छा लगा। प्रभु ने भयानक (अग्नि) बाण संधान किया, जिससे समुद्र के हृदय के अंदर अग्नि की ज्वाला उठी॥3॥	So saying, the Lord of the Raghus strung His bow and this stand (of the Lord) delighted Lakshman's heart. When the Lord fitted the terrible arrow to His bow, a blazing fire broke out in the heart of the ocean;॥3॥

Mota Bhai is already going into Sunderkand level of Ramcharati Manas. We will have a Lanka kaand after that

[sandeep]

5 hours ago, Autonomous said:

And Limited Investment?

 

1- Total Reconstruction of KKH

 

2- Strategic Express Way like that of Isb-Murree being built for Gilgit-Skardu

 

3- Operational road maintainance due to heavy transport movement and lndslides

 

4- Construction of tunnels at KKH

 

These are few road projects within GB, whereas the region has capitalized upon buoyant tourism in areas like Fairy Meadows, Hunza, Skardu, Naltar etc. while recent governments have put in complete efforts to rovide facilities, good thing is you don't even have to put in the amount of force and army into the area for control purposes. 

 

Pakistan should integrate GB as a province. 

 

Karakoram 'highway' is going to always suffer from avalanches and landslides.  China's BRI plans for Pak investment are centered around their hopes to develop Xinjiang by exploiting Pakistan as an export market for cheap goods. 

 

Pining hopes on tourism based on a few pretty pictures of mountains, or hiring some cheap hippie youtubers isn't a good recipe for success.  Sure, it might serve as advertising, and supply "good feels" to the desperate greenbro masses. But realistically, developing Tourism sector as a proper profit center requires so much established infrastructure.  "Pretty scenery" doesn't attract tourism.  A whole supply chain of services, hotels, transportation, restaurants, etc.  

 

 

Touting BRI or 'CPEC' as a Pakistani accomplishment is like India bragging about the profts made by East India Company.  Its plain dumb. 

 

But then again, the brainwashed greenbro awaam has been bragging about their military mafia - which has been ruthlessly exploiting them for decades.  So being ignorant is a continuation of an established pattern.

Edited September 18, 2019 by sandeep

[Autonomous]

5 hours ago, mishra said:

CPEC or any investment is not a island which can be treated independent of political reality. Just because Pakistan has temprary control over PoK doesnt mean, India will not ever try to annex it. Let us be very clear on it. Sooner or later, If India can, it will. Now only delusional discussion here is China will go to war with India over cost of a 50 mile highway. Or its investment in Pakistan is not safe if it doesnt goes to war along with Pakistan against India for 50 mile highway stretch.

 

So

1. Pakistan may or may not go to all out war with India over Kashmir. In any case, Pakistan will not use nuclear weapon as long as India doesnt Bomb Islamabad.

2. Currently, India will not go to all out war with Pakistan over PoK. But it is allmost prepared for limited war on LoC and arming itself with most modern weapons , creating diplomatic and testing its own peoples mood over it.

3. China will not fire a single bullet.

Pakistan will go on all out war if yu even try to get an Inch of AJK or GB. 

[Autonomous]

57 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Karakoram 'highway' is going to always suffer from avalanches and landslides.  China's BRI plans for Pak investment are centered around their hopes to develop Xinjiang by exploiting Pakistan as an export market for cheap goods. 

 

Pining hopes on tourism based on a few pretty pictures of mountains, or hiring some cheap hippie youtubers isn't a good recipe for success.  Sure, it might serve as advertising, and supply "good feels" to the desperate greenbro masses. But realistically, developing Tourism sector as a proper profit center requires so much established infrastructure.  "Pretty scenery" doesn't attract tourism.  A whole supply chain of services, hotels, transportation, restaurants, etc.  

 

 

Touting BRI or 'CPEC' as a Pakistani accomplishment is like India bragging about the profts made by East India Company.  Its plain dumb. 

 

But then again, the brainwashed greenbro awaam has been bragging about their military mafia - which has been ruthlessly exploiting them for decades.  So being ignorant is a continuation of an established pattern.

Ignorant Post. 

 

Serena has a resort/hotel in plenty of areas located in GB. 

 

Tourism is for real, have you seen foreignors up here? Heck, you've never ever been here nor can you be ever. FYI, Foreignors, from Islamabad catch up direct flight to Skardu purely as tourists. Domestic Tourism has increased substantially as well. 

 

You cannot expect facts and logics from a nation that can vote Modi into Power. 

[mishra]

17 minutes ago, Autonomous said:

Pakistan will go on all out war if yu even try to get an Inch of AJK or GB. 

We will see the last bullet fight as your General said. As long as rest of world is on board, we can afford that. Btw both Pakistan and China wanted India to join CPEC. 

We will join  soon

[maniac]

23 minutes ago, Autonomous said:

Ignorant Post. 

 

Serena has a resort/hotel in plenty of areas located in GB. 

 

Tourism is for real, have you seen foreignors up here? Heck, you've never ever been here nor can you be ever. FYI, Foreignors, from Islamabad catch up direct flight to Skardu purely as tourists. Domestic Tourism has increased substantially as well. 

 

You cannot expect facts and logics from a nation that can vote Modi into Power. 

American soldiers and Chinese businessmen are not exactly tourists