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Turkey occupies and maintains a military presence in 'Northern Cyprus'

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As Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Cyprus President Nicos Anastasiades met on the sidelines of the UNGA, India reiterated India's consistent support for the independence, sovereignty, territorial integrity and unity of the Republic of Cyprus. Turkey occupies and maintains a military presence in 'Northern Cyprus'.  The relations between the two countries had worsened under Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Anastasiades speaking from UNGA said, according to WION, "Turkey threatens Cyprus that there will be severe consequences if we proceed ahead with our energy programme... it threatens neighbouring states and energy companies, with which we are cooperating and have established conventional obligations".

Erdogan raised the Kashmir issue during his address at the United Nations, saying it is imperative to solve the problem through "dialogue on the basis of justice, equity, and not through collision". Turkey is the only Muslim country to have supported Pakistan after India revoked Article 370 of the Constitution, which gave special status to Jammu and Kashmir on August 5.  In his speech before at the UN General Assembly, Erdogan said the stability and prosperity of South Asia cannot he separated from the Kashmir issue. "One of the problems to which the international community still does not devote enough attention is the Kashmir conflict, which awaits a solution for 72 years," he said in his address to the general debate on Tuesday. Earlier, Prime Minister Khan had met President Erdogan on the sidelines and discussed with him bilateral relations and the latest situation since India revoked the special status of Jammu and Kashmir.

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About time. Turkey has always backed Pakistan and irritated us, under Erdogan open hostility from their end. To think that SOB has a huge fan following among a certain section in India and was honoured by a certain college in Delhi :facepalm:

Let them enjoy their friendship with Bakis, let us do what is sensible for a change. Congress never had the guts, good to see a party with a spine in charge now. 

Next up, back Greece for they too have issues with Turkey. Lastly Armenia, don't think our coward govts of past recognized the Armenian genocide. Despite us having an Armenian community in India. If turks still don't mend their ways we have Kurdistan. Btw what is Gulen's ideology? 

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Malaysia is another headache, Mahathir barks a lot. Hope this is a temporary phase but pessimistic. A country with 60% Muslims that is Islamic by definition, runs on Shariah and discriminates against kafirs wants to teach secular India, kya baat hai yaar :hatsoff:

When in minority cry secularism, human rights, nautanki of victimhood and when at 60% (even lesser) sharia or death. lesson for all of us.

Let us raise duties on import of palm oil, waise bhi sehat ke liye kharab hai.

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20 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

wise...

 

any numbers on Indian tourists visiting Istanbul?

 

 

Dunno about Istanbul but this may help, overall picture....

 

Indian tourist arrivals in Turkey marks a 56% growth

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The Turkish Tourism Board in India revealed that between January to July this year, Turkey has registered a 56% increase in the number of Indian tourist arrivals in comparison to the same period last year, hosting 130,000 Indian visitors. With such positive growth rate and indicative data coming from ministry, Turkey tourism board is expecting to host around 250,000 Indian tourists by the end of 2019

The latest official statistics show that more than 24 million foreign tourists visited Turkey within the period of January to July, a strong 14.10 percent increase from the same period of last year.

Turkey has emerged as a popular destination for Indian travelers across categories. From leisure travel to FITs, Indian weddings to Mice summits, there has been a significant increase in all segments. This year Turkey witnessed a substantial surge in the number of extravagant Indian destination weddings across Turkey.  Similarly, MICE travel to Turkey increased at an incredibly fast pace.

The tourism board further announced that by the end of 2019, Turkey is expected to host around 30 Indian weddings and 30.000 MICE visitors. Basis the current arrival numbers and the activities planned in months to come, the tourism board is hoping to reach a record number of Indian tourist arrivals in Turkey by the end of this year. The first half has witnessed a record engagement in terms of FITs, weddings & MICE and this trend will only go up.

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According to the Culture and Tourism Ministry, around 147,127 Indian tourists visited Turkey in 2018, up from 86,996 in 2017 and 79,316 in 2016.

Pretty sure we'll have higher numbers in Malaysia and China. Malaysia understandable because of their massive Tamil population (relatives/friends/business/politics/temples/culture/Kollywood) as well as being cheap.... and China hosting so many summits, seminars, workshops. But China also sees many touristy arrivals from India, esp Hong Kong. What can we do?

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hmm from what i know IndiGo airlines wanted to make turkey their number 1 hub and tie up with Turkish airlines as a low cost gateway to Europe for indian tourists....undercut the gulf hubs.

 

If Erdogen continues to be vicious on the matter of Kashmir then surely India needs to ask Indigo to shelve their plans and limit access to Turkish airlines.

 

For what its worth Erdogen is known to make loud statements as the self proclaimed leader of the muslim world. In realpolitik he has fostered an under the table relationship even with Israel.

 

 

 

 

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See i think talk of economic boycott is premature at this stage and immature. Fundamentally you cant just cut off doing business with the world be it malaysia or turkey.

 

Modi visiting Armenia and Cyprus is the apt message sent. Let us see how Erdogen responds.

 

If Turkey talks kashmir, talk about kurds the armenian genocide and northern cyprus. 

 

If Turkey actively votes against india causing us real harm then take more concrete steps.

 

Ditto Malaysia.

 

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If we don't cancel this deal, I will be disappointed. I don't see why we made it in the first place with a company from that country. Turkey is a fast declining state with little to offer India in terms of resources/technology

https://www.dailysabah.com/defense/2019/06/01/turkeys-tais-contracted-23b-deal-to-build-ships-for-indian-navy

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Turkey's TAIS contracted $2.3B deal to build ships for Indian Navy

 

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21 minutes ago, Tibarn said:

If we don't cancel this deal, I will be disappointed. I don't see why we made it in the first place with a company from that country. Turkey is a fast declining state with little to offer India in terms of resources/technology

https://www.dailysabah.com/defense/2019/06/01/turkeys-tais-contracted-23b-deal-to-build-ships-for-indian-navy

 

We should cancel the deal and tell them why we are cancelling the deal.

They can get contracts from Pak navy in return for kinnoos.

We can find others  who do not stand by the terrorist nation .

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Chinese airlines are hell for space in economy

 

I would not fly them even if there are a real case of hindi chini bhai bhai

 

Turkish have a very good reputation though not flown with them.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Tibarn said:

If we don't cancel this deal, I will be disappointed. I don't see why we made it in the first place with a company from that country. Turkey is a fast declining state with little to offer India in terms of resources/technology

https://www.dailysabah.com/defense/2019/06/01/turkeys-tais-contracted-23b-deal-to-build-ships-for-indian-navy

 

Now this is dangerous.

 

Why make deals with a country on a sensitive sector like defence when they are clearly in the pak camp?

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3 hours ago, Tibarn said:

If we don't cancel this deal, I will be disappointed. I don't see why we made it in the first place with a company from that country. Turkey is a fast declining state with little to offer India in terms of resources/technology

https://www.dailysabah.com/defense/2019/06/01/turkeys-tais-contracted-23b-deal-to-build-ships-for-indian-navy

 

:facepalm:what idiots do we have pushing for these kind of deals !!!! Turkey has always been a hostile nation towards us. One of the few all-weather friends of the devil next door. 

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7 hours ago, G_B_ said:

See i think talk of economic boycott is premature at this stage and immature. Fundamentally you cant just cut off doing business with the world be it malaysia or turkey.

 

Modi visiting Armenia and Cyprus is the apt message sent. Let us see how Erdogen responds.

 

If Turkey talks kashmir, talk about kurds the armenian genocide and northern cyprus. 

 

If Turkey actively votes against india causing us real harm then take more concrete steps.

 

Ditto Malaysia.

 

Exactly .imposing economic sanctions on import or cancelling projects/deals with immediate effect is not a mature way to deal on the economic frontier.

You can always make noises/isolate your enemies slowly by use of the diplomatic front 

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https://www.financialexpress.com/defence/unga-fallout-turkish-company-could-be-out-of-the-fss-project-for-indian-navy/1724697/

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UNGA fallout: Turkish Company could be out of the FSS project for Indian Navy

On the completion of the evaluation, the second round of negotiations related to the price is on the agenda. This was the first time ever that a Turkish shipyard which is part of TAIS industrial group, participated in any defence contract in India

 

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UNGA fallout: Turkish Company could be out of the FSS project for Indian Navy

By: Huma Siddiqui
Updated: October 2, 2019 10:05:56 PM

On the completion of the evaluation, the second round of negotiations related to the price is on the agenda. This was the first time ever that a Turkish shipyard which is part of TAIS industrial group, participated in any defence contract in India.

 

The Hindustan Shipyard Limited (HSL)’s collaboration with M/s Anadolu Shipyard, Turkey for the FSS project estimated to cost of $ 2.3 billion is expected to be put on a hold.

Without citing any reason, speaking to Financial Express Online on condition of anonymity, a senior official confirmed that “The contract for the 45,000-ton fleet support ships (FSS) for the Indian Navy with the Turkish Company could be delayed.”

 

“It could be a fall out of Turkey cosying up to Pakistan and raising Kashmir issue at the recently concluded 74th United Nations General Assembly (UNGA),” said the officer.

It may be recalled that the Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan had raised the Kashmir issue and had criticised the international community for not paying attention to the situation. On the sidelines of the UNGA, Prime Minister Narendra Modi met with leaders of Turkey’s strong rivals and close neighbours –Cyprus, Armenia and Greece.

Hopefully it is true

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Turkey's position has been very weak, thanks to Erdogan's power moves and mismanagement of the macroeconomic policy. 

 

Ofcourse it stopped being a relevant power center in International Relations a while before its current problems. Bakis will not find a savior in Erdogan. If anything, this looks more like two bankrupt nations banding together.

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We need to be upfront here. My father has turkish clients based in Izmir for the past 20 years. 

 

Prior to Erdogen coming to power the secular parties totally mismanaged Turkeys economy.  Inflation was common at 15 to 20%

 

Overall Erdogen has been much better for the economy. You are free to look at stats such as gdp ppp per capita etc. The past couple of years have  been a bit rough. But he has initiated several tough economic reforms early into his term.

 

I think its deeply unwise to dismiss Erdogen as simply being an Islamist. He has delusions of being the leader of the ummah, however he knows when to put business interests first.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, G_B_ said:

We need to be upfront here. My father has turkish clients based in Izmir for the past 20 years. 

 

Prior to Erdogen coming to power the secular parties totally mismanaged Turkeys economy.  Inflation was common at 15 to 20%

 

Overall Erdogen has been much better for the economy. You are free to look at stats such as gdp ppp per capita etc. The past couple of years have  been a bit rough. But he has initiated several tough economic reforms early into his term.

 

I think its deeply unwise to dismiss Erdogen as simply being an Islamist. He has delusions of being the leader of the ummah, however he knows when to put business interests first.

 

 

 

 

Actually Erdogan being pro Ummah works in our favour: as long as Turkey is Islamist, it will never ever be buddies with Russia. Which works to our advantage. 

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15 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Actually Erdogan being pro Ummah works in our favour: as long as Turkey is Islamist, it will never ever be buddies with Russia. Which works to our advantage. 

honestly, his party lost the mayor of Istanbul election twice this year (first time they said it was rigged despite being in power for 15 plus years)

 

As with everything in life, things come to an end. If this sustained period of economic weakness continues (the Turkish lira has fallen upto 100% against the USD since 2017 and inflation is high) Erdogen will at the very least be facing inwards than outwards.

 

 

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Why are we so bothered by Erdogan's statements? His own beats the Pak fauj at stifling democratic opposition. 

 

Turkey has been trying so hard to get into the EU for all these years. But to no avail.

 

Maybe the sick man of Europe has realized that it can still be the leader of (West) Asia and these are very lame attempts towards that.

 

From my limited exposure to the nation and interaction with the people there, i don't believe that there is any genuine reaosn for animosity between our two nations. India should just support the opposition in Turkish elections and keep people to people/trade contacts with the common Turks and try to prop up Erdogan's domestic rivals.

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5 hours ago, Mariyam said:

Why are we so bothered by Erdogan's statements? His own beats the Pak fauj at stifling democratic opposition. 

 

Turkey has been trying so hard to get into the EU for all these years. But to no avail.

 

Maybe the sick man of Europe has realized that it can still be the leader of (West) Asia and these are very lame attempts towards that.

 

From my limited exposure to the nation and interaction with the people there, i don't believe that there is any genuine reaosn for animosity between our two nations. India should just support the opposition in Turkish elections and keep people to people/trade contacts with the common Turks and try to prop up Erdogan's domestic rivals.

nope i think India should get out of defence deals with Turkey and support Cyprus..for lolz.

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