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A division bench was hearing a PIL signed in 2018, seeking whether the animal sacrifice in state temples is a secular act and whether prohibiting the practice would infringe the fundamental right to follow and propagate religion. 

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The Tripura High Court has banned sacrifice of animals and birds in temples with immediate effect and directed the state government to earmark land for opening shelter home for rearing livestock donated by devotees at these temples.

“No person including the state shall be allowed to sacrifice any animal or bird within the precincts of any one of the temples within the State of Tripura,” the order read.

A division bench comprising of Chief Justice Sanjay Karol and Justice Arindam Lodh was hearing a PIL, signed in 2018, seeking whether the animal sacrifice in state temples is a secular act and whether prohibiting the practice would infringe the fundamental right to follow and propagate religion.

The bench also ordered the District Magistrate and Collectors of Gomati and West Tripura to ensure implementation of the orders at Tripureshwari Temple and Chaturdas Devata Bari Temple and directed to provide soft copies of recording from CCTV cameras installed at both temples at the end of every month to concerned authorities.

The court’s direction came in response to one of the points mentioned in the petition seeking whether putting a stop to the animal sacrifice, which has been prevalent for at least 500 years in  Tripureshwari Devi Temple in Tripura’s Gomati district, can be construed as an essential and integral part of religion and if a religious practice based on ritual, custom, tenet or tradition, can be allowed to continue notwithstanding provisions of the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act, 1960.

As per state provisions, one goat is sacrificed every day under patronage of the district administration at Mata Tripurasundari Devi Temple and “substantial number of animals”: are sacrificed as “bali” (offering to the Goddess) on special occasions like Diwali. Mata Tripureshwari is considered to be one of 51 Hindu ‘Shakti Peethas’ and animal sacrifice is not an essential and integral part of the Hindu religion.

The petitioner argued that slaughtering animals in the name of sacrifice to a goddess is a practice in the nature of social evil and is against the Constitutional mandate and spirit. He also reasoned that the practice is cruelty against animals.

Meanwhile, the counsel for the state said that practice of animal sacrifice is a “long accepted procedure of Hindu rituals of the Tantrik method of worship of the Dash Maha Vidya (ten forms of the Goddess of the Hindus).”

WTF, why are they interfering with centuries old Hindu traditions followed there? This doesn't make sense, people consume the meat after sacrifice, don't waste them. How many goats and chickens are slaughtered in India every minute? They don't interfere with Bakrid rituals do they? Millions of goats/bulls/sheep are slaughtered by Muslims as part of religion, Indian Christians slaughter tens of thousands of Turkeys during Christmas...Hindus sacrifice very little, why are they always the target? Yeh kya secularism chudaap hai bhai log? Pehle jallikattu, ab yeh...should Hindus stop practicing their religion in India? Should Hindu traditions be wiped out? 

 

Tripura HC Bans Animal Sacrifice In Hindu Temples; Refuses To Consider Bakr-Eid Argument

Animals Have 'Fundamental Right To Life': Tripura HC Bans Animal/Bird Sacrifice In Temples [Read Judgment]

 

Many BJP/RSS (Hindi belt upper caste, Jains, Iyengars etc) supporters who swear by vegetarianism and low IQ Hindus may like this stupid judgement but they don't understand the culture and Shaktism traditions of Eastern part of India. This is a deathblow to a centuries old practice, wonder what the wider game plan is? Do they want to push Hindus to the edge there and make them ripe for conversion? *ing shithead judges.

 

Sabarimala in south, Ayodhya up north, North East, govt control over temples.....trend is obvious. What next, Kamakhya or Kalighat? 

 

 

 

 

 

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Yes....besides it doesn't matter because there is a difference between killing for food and killing to please or pleasure.
 
Sacrifice of all kinds are in the same category as hunting to me.
 
 
 
 
I thought animal sacrifice is consumed later as food. At least that's what happens in Telangana.

Animal sacrifice means full keech-khaat. Yummy yummy mutton dishes. [emoji13]

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IDK I am slightly conflicted here: 

For:

1) I personally am against killing other animals for any non-essential reason

 

Against:

1) I  would prefer those Hindus who do animal sacrifice at temples to stop doing so of their own volition. 

 

2) The SC will only selectively apply this to Hindu customs/traditions. They won't apply this to the barbaric blood-bath that happens when RoP is involved.

 

3) The SC is once again engaging in judicial activism and seizing power from the actual democratic branches of India's government to push the agenda of NGOs and other undesirables. 

 

4) The Milords decided it's not an essential practice of Hinduism based off of what exactly? Hinduism has many diverse sects/paths. One wouldn't see animal sacrifice among Vaishnavas, but at, for example, Kali-mata temples around India it is not uncommon. 

 

5) The Milords are not Dharam-gurus who have the authority to "reform" Hindu practices; they are un-elected members of the brown-sahib class, some of the last remnants of British imperialism in India. 

 

BJP morons continue to disappoint and let these bastards run roughshod over the country. 

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This has nothing to with milaard's concerns for animals just as Sabarimala had nothing to do with women's rights and the "green crackers" diktat on Diwali had nothing to do with the environment. This is all about the Judiciary showing the middle finger to Hindus. 

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5 hours ago, beetle said:

Yes....besides it doesn't matter because there is a difference between killing for food and killing to please or pleasure.

Beetleji in some of these North East (and Bengal) temples, they sacrifice but not for pleasure or something like that. They consume the meat, part of it is donated to the homeless and beggars in temple premises, some of it to the people working there, those who offered take the rest home or a feast. Nothing goes to waste. Just that before consuming it they offer it like prasad (what you cherish you symbolically offer) to the deity, Shakti tradition spanning centuries.  

Basically this too is killing for food, just instead of butcher shop this happens in altars within temple premises. Next time you go to that part of India check for yourself. 

5 hours ago, beetle said:

Strict rules should be followed to make sure there is minimum pain and trauma to the animals used for food.

That the milords can do, why don't they?

Temple balis happen via jhatka which is single strike, instant kill. If there are less painful ways I am sure the temple authorities will accept, we are a flexible religion. Besides we have expert butchers who know their stuff, random people can't do it. Happens in some temples, number is practically nil when you see the amount of meat our country consumes.

Contrast this to Bakrid when more than a crore animals are slaughtered via halal, often by people with no expertise in butchering thereby doing a half baked job causing suffering to the animal. 

 

@Tibarn @Laaloo you two are veggie Gujjus, right? Rest assured this isn't non-essential. Nothing goes to waste, nothing. Even the bones, horns, hide find utility. Very very small scale...west based NGOs are instigating divisions and trouble here forgetting about the meat industry back home. We can't enforce vegetarianism on our people, besides our religion is very diverse. Why should they stop this practice on their own, something they inherited from  their forefathers. Slaughtering goats for food violates which law exactly? It is their way of showing love to the deity and an integral part of Tantric/Shakti versions of our dharma. Adi Sankara went to that part of the country (Kamarup) and tried to dissuade this practice, he failed, who the * are these judges? Kamakhya is the centre of Tantra, will these idiots come after her next, challenge her? These mofos are doing what our invaders desisted from doing, attacking a core part of our religion. Imagine the effect this will have on the psyche of Tripura's devotees, a nonsense judgement. Why can't Hindus be happy with their own version and traditions, why interfere in other sects/paths? Isn't that what our religion is about, an umbrella that creates a multitude of belief systems to co-exist? I am shocked, pained, pissed off....

 

For the hypocrites who want these selective bans, remember this map below (might not be totally accurate)...if you agree with fundamental right to life for animals as these judges wrote, push for an all India meat (+seafood) ban. If you can't, then shut the * up, India isn't a 'veg only' country...and oh next time ensure you don't kill mosquitoes and ants if you have so much devotion to your cause. 

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6 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

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4 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

This has nothing to with milaard's concerns for animals just as Sabarimala had nothing to do with women's rights and the "green crackers" diktat on Diwali had nothing to do with the environment. This is all about the Judiciary showing the middle finger to Hindus. 

Precisely. Guess what, Hindus (civil society) have failed to unite every single time.

 

Sabarimala: Even BJP supported court decision initially before backlash. Apart from usual suspects sad to say many ignorant/arrogant non-Mallus (esp Northies who had never heard about Ayyappa) did chewtiyapa. First they came for____ wallah quote applicable. 

 

Cracker ban: Many environment activists emerging from our community. Nobody will talk about remaining 364 days, or about stubble burning in Punjab, Haryana.

 

Tripura animal sacrifice: Vegetarians, upper castes, Jains, Marwaris, PETA followers...PIL filed by Hindu, judges Hindu, those celebrating Hindu.

 

Worst miss was Jallikkattu...remember many non-Tamil Hindus supporting the court's decision and believing rumors, fake news, insulting it by calling it barbaric practice. Same assholes would sell their baap ki jagir to fly to Spain and watch their bullfights. In Spain the animals are speared to death, in TN the animal is raised and taken care of like a family member, not killed...guess which of them was called barbaric. Many prominent Muslim voices too supported the ban initially before catching the drift. Hindus (and BJP) allowed the Tamil nationalists and Dravidians to appropriate that mass movement. Jaya was dead by then I think, if she were alive things would have turned out differently. 

 

We are our own enemies, no wonder we saw centuries of foreign rule. Dharma should unite us, instead we have fights over language, caste, North/South, festivals, sects, cuisine yada yada. 

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Sadly I doubt RSS/BJP will take much interest in this case. Tripura is a small state, RSS is pro-vegetarianism even though many of its leaders are non-veg in their private lives. Religion can go to hell, but RSS wants Hindi and vegetarianism across India. Tripura people voted BJP to power forcefully, now they might regret. I hate Mamata, but damn sure she would start a civil war if the judiciary tries such stunts in Bengal. Preserving regional culture/traditions is important, fundamental truth in such a diverse democracy. If BJP/RSS ain't willing to adapt to local needs might as well start regional versions of BJP type parties, Bengal could desperately do with one. 

 

@Jimmy Cliff what do you reckon? BJP will fight for its voter base in Tripura or take it lying down?

If this madness reaches Kamakhya all hell will break loose, even if BJP makes an entry there it will be too late...milords will point out the precedent already set in another BJP ruled state in the same part of India. For me this is a now or never battle. 

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(1) According to my research, Jhatka is not humane way of slaughter. Both Jhatka and Halal are not humane. It should be made compulsory to use stun gun before slaughtering. And after stunning, it does not matter how you slaughter while then animal feels no pain. 

 

(2) I am unable to understand if the Judges were religious Vegetarians or Secular Vegetarians. 
Both of these two categories can ban the slaughter. 

Please make it clear. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Gollum said:

 

 

@Jimmy Cliff what do you reckon? BJP will fight for its voter base in Tripura or take it lying down?

The latter obviously. The greatest trick the BJP ever pulled was convincing the world that it was a pro-Hindu party. A new credible fringe has to emerge otherwise we are done for. But here we have naive Hindus celebrating these decisions :doh:.

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9 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

The latter obviously. The greatest trick the BJP ever pulled was convincing the world that it was a pro-Hindu party. A new credible fringe has to emerge otherwise we are done for. But here we have naive Hindus celebrating these decisions :doh:.

What if this new fringe is much more religious than BJP, and then impose it's ideas by force in whole India, including ban of slaughtering and eating meat? 

 

And off course BJP could not go against this decision, while not only Cow is respected in India, but also vegetarianism is claimed to be the Tradition of India. BJP has it's roots in North West India. It will loose their support if BJP starts supporting it. 

 

And as I said before, it is still not clear to me if the Judges were Religious Vegetarians or the Secular Vegetarians? You can challenge it only if the judges were Secular Vegetarians. But if they are themselves the religious vegetarians, then things will become very complicated for you as it will then become an internal fight for you. 

 

 

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16 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

(1) According to my research, Jhatka is not humane way of slaughter. Both Jhatka and Halal are not humane. It should be made compulsory to use stun gun before slaughtering. And after stunning, it does not matter how you slaughter while then animal feels no pain. 

I approve of this idea, I am sure we can be flexible enough to implement the same once we have the resources. Stun gun + jhatka...way to go in future. 

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(2) I am unable to understand if the Judges were religious Vegetarians or Secular Vegetarians. 
Both of these two categories can ban the slaughter. 

Please make it clear. 

Dude how to find out? Those guys aren't my buddies, there are so many judges in India LOL. I don't even know for sure if my relatives/colleagues are veg or non-veg, never mind the other question. Doesn't matter, they are appointed to do a job and failed miserably, critique their judgement. Waise I have made my points in previous posts above, won't repeat them. I support the right of my fellow countrymen to consume meat......my background and ideology have nothing to do with this, freedom of choice though not absolute (IMO) certainly makes a strong case here. 

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23 hours ago, beetle said:

All killings of animals other than for food should be banned .

Strict rules should be followed to make sure there is minimum pain and trauma to the animals used for food.

 

 

 

This is hypocrisy of the fascist extent, apne vicharon ko dusron par thop dena. Non veg eaters have no frickung rights to protest animal sacrifice. Only vegans can do.

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After Sabarimala, now Maa Tripureswari Temple, the Judiciary is killing the diversity of traditions within Hinduism

 

Certain men in black robes have taken it upon themselves to be the reformers of the Hindu community

 
 
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On the 27th of September, the Tripura High Court banned Pashubali (animal sacrifice) at Maa Tripureswari Temple. The Tripureswari Temple, also known as Tripura Sundari temple, is one of the 51 Shakti Peeths, and is located in the ancient city of Udaipur in Tripura. The shrine is also known as Matabari among the local people. Being a Shakti Peeth, animal sacrifice was being practised at this holy shrine.

In the judgment banning the ancient tradition of the temple, it became quite evident that certain men in black robes have taken it upon themselves to be the reformers of the Hindu community. In doing so, they seem to have exceeded the mandate granted to them by the Indian Constitution. Now, we are at a point where the Constitution is whatever the judges deem it to be based on their personal whims on a given day. A particular worldview is being forced down our throats without our consent. This is the embodiment of tyranny.

The Court ruled, “The right of offering an animal for sacrifice is not an integral and essential part of the religion, protected under Article 25(1) of the Constitution. As such, no right of the freedom of professing any religion by the State can be said to have been violated. State has no religion other than constitutionalism and the expression ‘person’ under Article 25 has to be in reference to natural person. Withdrawal of such practice would not tantamount to any change, fundamental in character of the religion.”

The Bench observed, “Which religion or community mandates infliction of unnecessary pain or suffering on an animal? Which religion prescribes that physical or mental pain or suffering should not be eliminated in the pre-slaughter stage? Which religion would want its followers not to treat animal with compassion, care or a humane approach? And above all, which religion would allow itself to be shackled to dogma, superstition and unfounded beliefs so as not to reform and be in tune with the changing times in pursuit of Constitutional goals and morality.”

Such pearls of wisdom only flow from the Court when the practice in question belongs to the Hindu faith. They are nowhere to be found when barbaric Islamic practices are to be presided upon. The questions that the Court poses would mean that the consumption of all meat would have to be banned completely. One cannot argue for the right to eat anything that one pleases and at the same time, decree that the religious sacrifice of animals to our Gods and Goddesses be banned.

It is hypocritical of the highest order and infringes upon basic norms of decency. The judgment is a tyrannical imposition of a certain worldview upon the Hindu community. There are certain sects and traditions within Hinduism that demand the sacrificial offering of certain animals to Gods and Goddesses.

The rhetorical questions posed by the Court only serve the purpose of moral grandstanding, nothing more. The entire purpose of it was to present themselves as holier than everybody else in the room, nothing else. I could quote Hindu scriptures and Hindu beliefs but that wouldn’t matter. It certainly didn’t in the Sabarimala Verdict. The case was decided the moment a PIL was filed in that regard in the Court. Presentation of evidence, arguments in favour and against, all of this was a charade to give people the impression that due process was followed.

There is scriptural sanction for animal sacrifice. It’s a known fact that certain forms of worship cannot be conducted without the sacrificial offerings of animals. However, people who have no respect for our beliefs and have absolutely no regard for scriptures until and unless they conform to their worldview will continue to ignore such facts in the face of the obvious.

To the Judiciary and everyone who is not fond of Pashubali, I say, leave us alone. I ask of you what the devotees of Sabarimala have been asking for a year. We are not imposing our beliefs on you, do not impose yours on us. Hinduism has a diversity of traditions. We hear people boasting about the diversity of traditions within Hinduism all the time. And yet, whenever it so happens that their words are put to the test, suddenly their voices are found to be not so raucous.

While people boast of the diversity within Hinduism, the same is being culled day by day, one tradition at a time. The Judiciary is not realizing the immense damage that it has caused to its own reputation. What happened in the aftermath of the Sabarimala Verdict was an open revolt against the Judiciary. It was an entire community refusing to bow down to the tyrannical verdicts of the Indian Judiciary. If its crazy edicts do not stop anytime soon, we will soon see a nationwide revolt against it.

For the state to function effectively, the men who represent it must respect the cultural practices and traditions of the people they govern or preside over. Else, it will lead to a breakdown in the society like the one we observed in the aftermath of the Sabarimala Verdict. All the devotees ever wanted was for them to be left alone to practice their religious faith. But certain people in their hubris decided to trample upon them.

The Bharatiya Janata Party, too, needs to stand up to Judicial Tyranny. The leaders of the BJP visited the Temple on numerous occasions during the elections. Now, it’s their duty to protect the sacred traditions of the Temple. One can only hope that the state government will refuse to implement the order. The judgment also reveals that it’s high time for the Central government to pass a law to explicitly protect Hindu Traditions from Judicial Tyranny. It was one of their manifesto promises.

Last year, it was the Sabarimala Temple under attack. This year, only a day before the anniversary of the Sabarimala verdict, it is the Tripureswari temple under attack. This has got to end. According to reports, the Tripura government will appeal against the verdict in the Supreme Court. One can only hope that better sense prevails. Otherwise, if all the traditions that make our civilization unique are banned, there will be nothing worth preserving at all.

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9 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

This is hypocrisy of the fascist extent, apne vicharon ko dusron par thop dena. Non veg eaters have no frickung rights to protest animal sacrifice. Only vegans can do.

Main premise of her post is wrong, bali meat in those temples is fed to people, not discarded. Wish people research these kind of subjects before coming to conclusions. 

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The target ain't some minor temple, it is a shakti peeth...like Kalighat, Kamakhya, Amarnath, Srisailam, Kanchi Kamakshi Amman, Bakreshwar.

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The temple is considered to be one of the 51 Shakti Peethas; legend says that the right leg of Sati fell here. Here, Shakti is worshipped as Tripurasundarī and the accompanying Bhairava is Tripuresh. The main shrine, a cubical edifice with a three-tier roof with a finial, erected by Maharaja of Tripura Dhanya Manikya in 1501 AD, is constructed in the Bengali Ek-ratna style.

Every year on the occasion of Diwali, a famous Mela takes place near the temple which is visited by more than 0.2 million pilgrims.

500+ years no problem, everything went on fine. God knows how many invaders this site survived. 

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1 hour ago, Gollum said:

The target ain't some minor temple, it is a shakti peeth...like Kalighat, Kamakhya, Amarnath, Srisailam, Kanchi Kamakshi Amman, Bakreshwar.

500+ years no problem, everything went on fine. God knows how many invaders this site survived. 

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Its OK @Gollumdada. Hindus must reform any practices which isnt progressive and respect life. You know that every life on the planet is Hindu  on concept of Punarjanm/rebirth.

 

Why kill Hindus in temple :cantstop:

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Strangely, the types of people who selectively accuse the RSS of trying to homogenize Hinduism are absent in fighting this case. 

 

The reality is that "liberalism" and "secularism" are philosophical offshoots of Christianity. They cannot tolerate the actual diversity of Hinduism, as homogenizing is inherent to their DNA. The idea that temples have different traditions across India, which is seemingly the textbook definition of diversity, is haraam to these people. 

 

One can see this in the West as well. The idea of diversity is not diversity of thoughts, but superficial diversity skin-deep. Diversity is good so long as all black, white, brown, yellow, red, blue, purple people all say the exact same thing as approved by the "liberal" clergy.    

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12 minutes ago, mishra said:

Its OK @Gollumdada. Hindus must reform any practices which isnt progressive and respect life. You know that every life on the planet is Hindu  on concept of Punarjanm/rebirth.

 

Why kill Hindus in temple :cantstop:

Bro, Hinduism isn't homogeneous, shaktism is a core branch of our faith. Question of respecting life is impossible because we can't impose vegetarianism on all (leaving aside plant has life debates), it isn't economically, socially or environmentally feasible...let Jains worry about their religion. Adi Sankara couldn't enforce change of this practice in that part of the country, who are these black robed idiots? Who are they to interpret our religion? NE Hindu culture is already under attack because of demographic invasion from BD and missionary activities, why punish them further? 

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46 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Bro, Hinduism isn't homogeneous, shaktism is a core branch of our faith. Question of respecting life is impossible because we can't impose vegetarianism on all (leaving aside plant has life debates), it isn't economically, socially or environmentally feasible...let Jains worry about their religion. Adi Sankara couldn't enforce change of this practice in that part of the country, who are these black robed idiots? Who are they to interpret our religion? NE Hindu culture is already under attack because of demographic invasion from BD and missionary activities, why punish them further? 

Agree with your point about imposition. Why do you want to stop Hindus like say @beetle ji to have access to temple and “a say “ in its practices?

After all, if asked, Indian judges are to protect basic right to practice religion to every Hindu. 

Practices of a temple , if not inclusive , could be scrutinised and abolished by law unless constitution changes

PS: Read the very first sentence in your op. You will find the question asked in PIL will automatically will lead to the decision. Blaming judge is not correct

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On 9/29/2019 at 5:14 PM, Gollum said:

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A division bench was hearing a PIL signed in 2018, seeking whether the animal sacrifice in state temples is a secular act and whether prohibiting the practice would infringe the fundamental right to follow and propagate religion. 

WTF, why are they interfering with centuries old Hindu traditions followed there? This doesn't make sense, people consume the meat after sacrifice, don't waste them. How many goats and chickens are slaughtered in India every minute? They don't interfere with Bakrid rituals do they? Millions of goats/bulls/sheep are slaughtered by Muslims as part of religion, Indian Christians slaughter tens of thousands of Turkeys during Christmas...Hindus sacrifice very little, why are they always the target? Yeh kya secularism chudaap hai bhai log? Pehle jallikattu, ab yeh...should Hindus stop practicing their religion in India? Should Hindu traditions be wiped out? 

 

Tripura HC Bans Animal Sacrifice In Hindu Temples; Refuses To Consider Bakr-Eid Argument

Animals Have 'Fundamental Right To Life': Tripura HC Bans Animal/Bird Sacrifice In Temples [Read Judgment]

 

Many BJP/RSS (Hindi belt upper caste, Jains, Iyengars etc) supporters who swear by vegetarianism and low IQ Hindus may like this stupid judgement but they don't understand the culture and Shaktism traditions of Eastern part of India. This is a deathblow to a centuries old practice, wonder what the wider game plan is? Do they want to push Hindus to the edge there and make them ripe for conversion? *ing shithead judges.

 

Sabarimala in south, Ayodhya up north, North East, govt control over temples.....trend is obvious. What next, Kamakhya or Kalighat? 

 

 

 

 

 

In my village we sacrificed a goat yesterday only on the auspicious first day of Navratri. 

 

Yaha ban kar ke batao fir batate hain. 

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I don't want to create the equivalence that why is this not being applied to other cultures because it is a good decision as animal sacrifice is barbaric act and I agree with this decision.

 

Now time to grow some balls and apply this to bakri-Eid etc as well. About time.

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14 minutes ago, maniac said:

I don't want to create the equivalence that why is this not being applied to other cultures because it is a good decision as animal sacrifice is barbaric act and I agree with this decision.

 

Now time to grow some balls and apply this to bakri-Eid etc as well. About time.

In whose version of Hinduism is animal sacrifice considered a barbaric act? Brahmins and upper castes'?  That defeats the very purpose of respecting diverse beliefs. This is a concept coming out of western christian egilitarianism which makes all homogenous and confirming to one sets of beliefs. 

 

The basis of the judgement is that is animal slaughter a basic tenet of a religion to be respected or tolerated? While Bakr-id sacrific is considered essential part of Islam and hence allowed, they considered it is not part of Hindu religion. Whose version of Hindu religion is it? This is total BS. Either bring in UCC or don't facking discriminate. Why do we have activist Judges judging Hindu rituals while others are protected by minority rights!  FGM is allowed as it was considered essential to Bohra rituals of those Muslims. Why not do the same for different sects of Hindus? It is because Hindus like you, are not united and welcome to respect others' beliefs.

 

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^ You are making it a theological discussion. One can ask which verse of Gita says sacrificing animals will please god when it’s exactly the opposite mentioned in most places.

 

Anyhow, its about infringement of rights of Hindus who cant tolerate practice that is carried out by few locals. Its similar to Right of Dalits having access to temple.

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6 minutes ago, mishra said:

^ You are making it a theological discussion. One can ask which verse of Gita says sacrificing animals will please god when it’s exactly the opposite mentioned in most places.

 

Anyhow, its about infringement of rights of Hindus who cant tolerate practice that is carried out by few locals. Its similar to Right of Dalits having access to temple.

I don't see Hindus shoving the dead goat in the face of others who don't participate in this ritual. 

In fact this is done in the separate premises and things such as hygiene etc as well as sensitivities of others are kept in mind too. 

It isn't as if vegetarians are forced to suffer through it while they are quietly doing pooja in the mandir. 

 

And those who are calling it barbaric well Go fck yourself. 

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10 minutes ago, Stradlater said:

I don't see Hindus shoving the dead goat in the face of others who don't participate in this ritual. 

In fact this is done in the separate premises and things such as hygiene etc as well as sensitivities of others are kept in mind too. 

It isn't as if vegetarians are forced to suffer through it while they are quietly doing pooja in the mandir. 

 

And those who are calling it barbaric well Go fck yourself. 

So, just for sake of argument, You are okay to resolve practice of allowing Dalits seeking blessings of God in a separate queue via different side of a temple?

 

Answer should be No. same queue for everyone as temple cant give special rights to choosen few.

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23 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

In whose version of Hinduism is animal sacrifice considered a barbaric act? Brahmins and upper castes'?  That defeats the very purpose of respecting diverse beliefs. This is a concept coming out of western christian egilitarianism which makes all homogenous and confirming to one sets of beliefs. 

 

The basis of the judgement is that is animal slaughter a basic tenet of a religion to be respected or tolerated? While Bakr-id sacrific is considered essential part of Islam and hence allowed, they considered it is not part of Hindu religion. Whose version of Hindu religion is it? This is total BS. Either bring in UCC or don't facking discriminate. Why do we have activist Judges judging Hindu rituals while others are protected by minority rights!  FGM is allowed as it was considered essential to Bohra rituals of those Muslims. Why not do the same for different sects of Hindus? It is because Hindus like you, are not united and welcome to respect others' beliefs.

 

That is the beauty of Hinduism as it is not about a predesigned set of rules like the Abrahamic faiths. I feel sacrificing innocent animals is a barbaric act be it Hinduism or Xtianity or Islam or any other religion. 

23 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

The basis of the judgement is that is animal slaughter a basic tenet of a religion to be respected or tolerated? While Bakr-id sacrific is considered essential part of Islam and hence allowed, they considered it is not part of Hindu religion. Whose version of Hindu religion is it? This is total BS. 

 

I am not here to discuss the hypocrisy of the actual judgement. I don't think I have a different viewpoint there about the hypocrisy.

 

I do accept that there should be uniformity to such rules when it comes to an important topic like abuse of animals and not selective targeting.

 

However I don't want this to be a kindergarten contest like "well he does it and gets away with it" kind of a deal. If this practice has been stopped at least in 1 place I am fine with it.

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According to modern Secular point of view, all religious beliefs are respected and people have full liberty to act upon them. No judiciary or government is allowed to interfere in it. 

 

Nevertheless, criticism of any practice of any group is fully allowed. In West, the sacrifice on Bark-Eid day is not forbidden, but it has been severely criticised by the people. And Muslims have to answer this criticism which is normally difficult for them to answer. 

 

If some one wants to end this practice in Tripura, then only method should be criticism and educating people. 

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2 hours ago, mishra said:

Agree with your point about imposition. Why do you want to stop Hindus like say @beetle ji to have access to temple and “a say “ in its practices?

Not going to point out names.

This is a Tripura issue, I am sure most of you don't visit Tripura to pray, neither your ancestors, possibly nor will your future generations. You may go as tourists (even then you may avoid the bali walleh temples or those altars) but doubt you will have the same attachment to the deity. Those people have been following those  traditions and rituals for centuries and it is an integral part of the version of Hinduism they follow. Hinduism isn't a homogeneous religion, different rituals in different places and you have to respect that. Hindus in Punjab, Bihar,TN needn't concern themselves with the practices in a far away place.....let all follow their own rituals.

 

I am consistent in my stance, doesn't matter which state's Hindus get affected, be it Sabarimala (Kerala), Rajasthan, NE or Bihar (say chhath puja). As long the rituals are reasonable I am ok with that, some regulation will be understandable but ban? The bali meat is fed to many homeless people, likewise the coconuts they break in Bengaluru's temples are donated to the hungry...as I asked in other post will they next ban smashing of coconuts citing noise pollution? I will have more issues with pouring milk, honey, curd on idols...that is wasteful because it goes to the drain...that warrants reform but still devotees should take the initiative. Here the decision has been imposed by the milords, against the wish of devotees...straightaway ban. 

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After all, if asked, Indian judges are to protect basic right to practice religion to every Hindu. 

I don't understand, please elaborate, will help if you talk in context of this decision.

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Practices of a temple , if not inclusive , could be scrutinised and abolished by law unless constitution changes

Who said inclusivity is a problem in these kind of temples? I lived in Bengal for most of my life, been to these temples thousands of times, inclusivity never a concern. If you have concerns/questions, ask me.

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PS: Read the very first sentence in your op. You will find the question asked in PIL will automatically will lead to the decision. Blaming judge is not correct

Of course we have to blame the judges. Who the hell are they to decide what is essential or non-essential in Hinduism? Are they experts on these matters? Do they know all scriptures and every tradition and ritual there is in all sects? Is either of them a greater authority on Hinduism than Adi Sankara, Ramakrishna and Vivekananda? Banning bali has infringed the way those folks practice their version of this giant umbrella religion called Hinduism. If you can't empathize with your fellow Hindus just because they practice it differently I don't know what to say man. Not often that I disagree with your viewpoints but here it appears we see it differently. 

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1 hour ago, mishra said:

So, just for sake of argument, You are okay to resolve practice of allowing Dalits seeking blessings of God in a separate queue via different side of a temple?

 

Answer should be No. same queue for everyone as temple cant give special rights to choosen few.

Where is the equivalence? 

Treatment of Dalits is a discrimination problem. No one is being discriminated in these handful of shakti temples. Pray the way you want, whenever you want, whichever caste you are...even non-Hindus, foreigners are allowed in all these places. It is your personal business with the deity, you don't even have to be at the place (or time) where bali happens, neither do you have to eat the meat if that's what you are thinking :laugh:. Go once to Kamakhya and see for yourself, enjoy the atmosphere and seek her blessings...you'll understand there is more than one path. 

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1 hour ago, Stradlater said:

I don't see Hindus shoving the dead goat in the face of others who don't participate in this ritual. 

In fact this is done in the separate premises and things such as hygiene etc as well as sensitivities of others are kept in mind too. 

It isn't as if vegetarians are forced to suffer through it while they are quietly doing pooja in the mandir. 

Exactly. Some of our Hindu friends here need to expand their horizon and do some religious tourism across all corners of India. Seems like they are woefully unaware of the diversity in our faith. 

2 hours ago, maniac said:

I don't want to create the equivalence that why is this not being applied to other cultures because it is a good decision as animal sacrifice is barbaric act and I agree with this decision.

Barbaric act, excuse me? If you are vegan and PETA type, you may find meat eating practice not to your liking but you must understand that animal cruelty free world is impossible. They use rats and rabbits in drug testing, scientific research, cosmetics trials etc, extending it further we kill so many bugs, birds, reptiles knowingly and unknowingly. If you consume milk and/or eggs you are responsible for red meat and poultry industries. Claiming a moral high ground is extremely difficult (unless you are a baba), however if you suggest ways to ease the pain of animals that can be a workable option. Using labels and dismissive words aren't helping anyone tbh. 

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Now time to grow some balls and apply this to bakri-Eid etc as well. About time.

Millions of animals/birds are slaughtered across the globe for food on a daily basis, Bakrid is just part of the overall picture...Muslims consume lots of meat during that period but then the graph goes downwards cos it gets monotonous/heavy for them. I think they donate a part of it to the poor and homeless, so not entirely a bad thing. Besides an entire section of economy is centered around that due to which farmers, shepherds and traders benefit.

Instead of banning I would want them to maintain sanitation, slaughter in scientific govt designated places (not housing complexes) far away from settlements, use services of professional butchers, ensure no wastage etc. Stun guns too but that they might not accept, Hadiths, Quran and all that. More govt regulation too, I am against bans, better to regulate. 

India mein per capita meat consumption bahut kam hai. You live in USA right? Must be tough out there, no?

2 hours ago, Stradlater said:

In my village we sacrificed a goat yesterday only on the auspicious first day of Navratri. 

Yaha ban kar ke batao fir batate hain. 

And those who are calling it barbaric well Go fck yourself. 

Nice to see you stand up for your culture. We Hindus need to take pride in our regional traditions, no to homogeneity. 

Me too pissed bruh. 

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1 hour ago, mishra said:

So, just for sake of argument, You are okay to resolve practice of allowing Dalits seeking blessings of God in a separate queue via different side of a temple?

 

Answer should be No. same queue for everyone as temple cant give special rights to choosen few.

False equivalency. No one is restricting the right of the Hindus visiting. But you are a guest in the temple. You are required , as a pilgrim and a guest, to tolerate the traditions of your host. If you don’t like it, don’t go. 

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25 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Barbaric act, excuse me? If you are vegan and PETA type, you may find meat eating practice not to your liking but you must understand that animal cruelty free world is impossible. They use rats and rabbits in drug testing, scientific research, cosmetics trials etc, extending it further we kill so many bugs, birds, reptiles knowingly and unknowingly. If you consume milk and/or eggs you are responsible for red meat and poultry industries. Claiming a moral high ground is extremely difficult (unless you are a baba), however if you suggest ways to ease the pain of animals that can be a workable option. Using labels and dismissive words aren't helping anyone tbh. 

 

Killing pests to protect the crops or your health is the same thing as "sacrificing" an animal for religion?

 

Similarly, while I would prefer alternatives to testing on animals but testing on them to discover new breakthroughs in science for the benefit of humans sounds a better compromise than killing them in name of tradition or religion.

 

If someone wants to eat meat that is fine. I don't want to get get into the whole vegetarian is better for health debate as that is not the topic here.

 

Sometimes you just can't leave something as it is just tradition when it doesn't look right.

 

I understand the premise of the point you,Stradlater and Coffee are making about the hypocrisy of these judgements only pertaining to one religion, However I don't think there are too many justifications to sacrifice an innocent animal in the name of culture and religion be it for Bakri-Eid or at any temple in the name of sacrifice. I can't get around to justify it.

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3 hours ago, Tibarn said:

Strangely, the types of people who selectively accuse the RSS of trying to homogenize Hinduism are absent in fighting this case. 

True man, libtard frauds missing. They are generally quite vocal about freedom of choice when it comes to food, diversity etc, sadly nowhere to be seen now.

Even RSS is quiet as is BJP, RW voices aren't generating twitter hashtags either and this indifference is more unpardonable IMO. Despite being a RWer myself, I do agree RSS has natural inclination to homogenize Hinduism...sad to see them misunderstand the religion so badly. A real pity some of our sane friends here too are falling for this farce. 

 

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When did we become so particular about picking sides about everything, it's either you pick team left or right.

 

It is like you have to be a total jain monk or become this meat eating alpha male who hunts his own game. I mean is there no middle ground :laugh:

 

Simple I will kill mosquitoes with those electric mosquito bats you get in India (what are they called officially again) without any remorse

 

But give me a huge sword and ask me to chop the head off of a chicken or a goat I will refuse to do it for all the so called punya in the world.

 

That doesn't make me a hypocrite. 

 

I think sacrificing animals on the grounds of religion is barbaric.

 

 

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27 minutes ago, maniac said:

Killing pests to protect the crops or your health is the same thing as "sacrificing" an animal for religion?

 

Similarly, while I would prefer alternatives to testing on animals but testing on them to discover new breakthroughs in science for the benefit of humans sounds a better compromise than killing them in name of tradition or religion.

The point I am trying to make is that an animal cruelty free world is impossible. By talking about fundamental right to life of animals these judges have opened a pandora's box, a multitude of questions will arise which we can't possibly answer without tying ourselves in knots.

 

The animals here are sacrificed in honour of the deity but ultimately consumed by people, not wasted, that's the point some of us have been trying to make. Instead of butcher's shop the animal is slaughtered at an altar within temple premises, only the venue is different. End purpose is same.

 

Your family might offer prasad daily during this Navratri period, often a sweet dish like Kesri, Payasam, Rava Laddu etc. Why do you offer that and not karele ka juice? Because you want to offer something to the deity which you relish, is it not? Likewise in this case forget the traditions, scriptures etc and think about it as devotees offering meat symbolically to Devi because they love meat dishes. They are still going to consume meat despite the ban, but the slaughter will be done elsewhere. So what difference does this judgement make other than pissing over time honoured shakti traditions which is an important part of religion/history/culture in Tripura? 

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30 minutes ago, maniac said:

Killing pests to protect the crops or your health is the same thing as "sacrificing" an animal for religion?

 

Similarly, while I would prefer alternatives to testing on animals but testing on them to discover new breakthroughs in science for the benefit of humans sounds a better compromise than killing them in name of tradition or religion.

 

If someone wants to eat meat that is fine. I don't want to get get into the whole vegetarian is better for health debate as that is not the topic here.

 

Sometimes you just can't leave something as it is just tradition when it doesn't look right.

 

I understand the premise of the point you,Stradlater and Coffee are making about the hypocrisy of these judgements only pertaining to one religion, However I don't think there are too many justifications to sacrifice an innocent animal in the name of culture and religion be it for Bakri-Eid or at any temple in the name of sacrifice. I can't get around to justify it.

So if eating meat is fine by you, why the * are you offended by those who are saying a prayer to their Gods before killing the creature for its meat ?? 

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23 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

So if eating meat is fine by you, why the * are you offended by those who are saying a prayer to their Gods before killing the creature for its meat ?? 

Are you thick in the head or do you have comprehension issues?

 

Eating meat in a restaurant or the comfort of your own home the same as creating a spectacle and chopping an animal in the name of tradition?

 

So a tribal man who hunts for a living to provide for his family is the same as some  prick who hunts for sport because he might end up consuming the meat as well ?

 

Am I the only one who thinks these are not the same thing :facepalm:

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Gollum said:

The animals here are sacrificed in honour of the deity but ultimately consumed by people, not wasted, that's the point some of us have been trying to make. Instead of butcher's shop the animal is slaughtered at an altar within temple premises, only the venue is different. End purpose is same.

Firstly, it is not the same. How can you equate buying meat from a butcher and then cooking at the comfort of your own house to making a spectacle and chopping the head of innocent animals either be it by Jhatka or by Halal?

 

As I said above, do you think it is ok for a

person to kill animals for hunting as a sport because a tribal does the same to Provide for his family? Are they the same thing? 

 

That is wrong on so many accounts. Firstly the whole spectacle is barbaric. Then the consumption of that meat doesn’t exactly sound very hygienic.

 

I used to take pride in the fact that Hinduism is all about having a debate and updating customs and practices that are out dated and getting rid of some practices deemed archiac.

 

Whats the difference between us and abrahamic faiths if we also follow the same template that a certain custom is set a certain way and we won’t question it and blindly follow it?

 

Look if you are eating an animal as part of your diet, well then so be it, now I don’t want to start a sermon  there.  I can understand that. Even though  I have been a vegetarian most of my life, however I think killing an animal in the guise of custom is wrong

 

 

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