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So Canadian ICF walo, it’s almost that time again, another general election!

The 40-day campaign will see the incumbent Liberals attempt to retain their majority that they won in the 2015 election. Two of the three major parties will contest this election under new leaders: the Conservative Party, led by Andrew Scheer, and the New Democratic Party under Jagmeet Singh.

Will Justin Trudeau get another term?

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‘Modi screwed us to help Canadian conservatives’: Trudeau’s advisor makes claim in new book about disastrous 2018 trip

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One good thing about the Justin Trudeau government from an Indian POV is that he has made it much easier for Indian people to enter into Canada, especially students. 
 

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International students from India are moving to Canada in droves, with Indian students preferring a study destination that offers long-term immigration options, economic opportunity, and a calm political climate.

The Globe and Mail newspaper reports that last year 172,000 students with Indian citizenship held a Canadian study permit  107,795 arrived in 2018 alone  making India the largest source country for international students in Canada. The cohort of new Indian students was more than three times larger than it was as recently as 2015.

The figures reveal that the second-largest cohort of international students in Canada come from China, with 142,000 Chinese nationals holding a study permit, of whom 85,825 arrived in 2018.

University and college campuses in Canada have long benefited from the arrival of Indian students, who are lauded for their academic aptitude and career focus.

 

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Most likely a Conservative win since Trudeau made some big errors in the recent years. He opened the borders to welfare leech Muslims and these people became a big burden on Tax payers. He also opened the flood gates for international students and the white community didn't like that either.

In the event Conservatives don't get a full majority, NDP will support Trudeau and Liberals will win a second term.

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1 minute ago, Under_Score said:

Most likely a Conservative win since Trudeau made some big errors in the recent years. He opened the borders to welfare leech Muslims and these people became a big burden on Tax payers. He also opened the flood gates for international students and the white community didn't like that either.

In the event Conservatives don't get a full majority, NDP will support Trudeau and Liberals will win a second term.

everywhere...farking make 10 babies do construction or drive cab and get welfare cheques..vermins 

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18 minutes ago, Vilander said:

@Muloghonto @Under_Score @Tibarn who do you hate less justin or andrew ? 

Honestly I haven't followed Canadian politics much before, as I have never lived in Canada. However, from whatever I see online about Justin Trudeau, the constant trolling he gets, I am guessing many Canadians see him like Rahul Gandhi.  

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2 hours ago, Tibarn said:

Honestly I haven't followed Canadian politics much before, as I have never lived in Canada. However, from whatever I see online about Justin Trudeau, the constant trolling he gets, I am guessing many Canadians see him like Rahul Gandhi.  

I dunno if RaGa is a good example. Trudeau gets a lot of flak for basically being a sleazy salesman image who tries to please everyone and by trying to position himself as the ultimate in virtue signalling. He is one of those guys who sounds extremely convincing and genuine when he is smooth talking you and making promises, but sounds extremely fake when he is outraged or angry. Like that kid in school u never quite believed was angry because his body language said he was putting on a show.

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2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

I hate Trudeau less by a long margin. 

yeah...thought so..

 

give some intel on Scheer.. 

 

i think both Trudeau and Scheer to varying degrees are untrue they have a public image and a reality.

 

Why do you dislike Scheer more ? wanted to know a different perspective.

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10 minutes ago, Vilander said:

yeah...thought so..

 

give some intel on Scheer.. 

 

i think both Trudeau and Scheer to varying degrees are untrue they have a public image and a reality.

 

Why do you dislike Scheer more ? wanted to know a different perspective.

Because Scheer associates with anti immigrant, anti lgbtq lobbyists all over the place, attends their Galas, dinners, etc. I am old enough to not give a rats behind about what politicians say, I only care about what they do. And Scheers actions is to patronize anti immigrant, anti lgbtq etc people. Makes me deeply suspicious. He and Trudeau don’t differ majorly in economic policy, except that Scheer believes in less taxes(typical), mostly coming from cutting funding to public education and public health. So a hard pass for me. 

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6 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Because Scheer associates with anti immigrant, anti lgbtq lobbyists all over the place, attends their Galas, dinners, etc. I am old enough to not give a rats behind about what politicians say, I only care about what they do. And Scheers actions is to patronize anti immigrant, anti lgbtq etc people. Makes me deeply suspicious. He and Trudeau don’t differ majorly in economic policy, except that Scheer believes in less taxes(typical), mostly coming from cutting funding to public education and public health. So a hard pass for me. 

Give me a bit of historical perspective.. You mean bernier and his coitre ? When you say anti immigration?

 

I found the below on conservative plan.

  • Put an end to illegal border crossings at unofficial points of entry like Roxham Road
  • Close the loophole in the Safe-Third Country Agreement that allows some people to skip the line and avoid the queue
  • Safeguard and emphasize economic immigration
  • Set immigration levels consistent with what is in Canada’s best interests
  • Stand up for families and ensure that spouses and children can be reunited
  • Improve language training
  • Ensure that our system prioritizes people facing true persecution
  • Improve credential recognition and make it easier for new Canadians who have existing skills that meet our standards to ply their trades here
  • Work to reunite survivors of genocide, who have already resettled in Canada, more expeditiously
  • Bring back the Office of Religious Freedom so that we can protect our shared humanity and promote interest in the dignity of all people
  • Promote the private sponsorships of refugees

Would you not think they mean to restrict not economic immigration which is good for everyone ? Even Indian people who want to come to Canada.

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3 minutes ago, Vilander said:

Give me a bit of historical perspective.. You mean bernier and his coitre ? When you say anti immigration?

 

I found the below on conservative plan.

  • Put an end to illegal border crossings at unofficial points of entry like Roxham Road
  • Close the loophole in the Safe-Third Country Agreement that allows some people to skip the line and avoid the queue
  • Safeguard and emphasize economic immigration
  • Set immigration levels consistent with what is in Canada’s best interests
  • Stand up for families and ensure that spouses and children can be reunited
  • Improve language training
  • Ensure that our system prioritizes people facing true persecution
  • Improve credential recognition and make it easier for new Canadians who have existing skills that meet our standards to ply their trades here
  • Work to reunite survivors of genocide, who have already resettled in Canada, more expeditiously
  • Bring back the Office of Religious Freedom so that we can protect our shared humanity and promote interest in the dignity of all people
  • Promote the private sponsorships of refugees

Would you not think they mean to restrict not economic immigration which is good for everyone ? Even Indian people who want to come to Canada.

#4 is the main point most immigrants are anti PC. Three years ago PC floated the idea that Canada should favour immigration with those countries it’s a culture match. They tried to spin it anti Islam but in reality it was pro white European immigration 

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1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

#4 is the main point most immigrants are anti PC. Three years ago PC floated the idea that Canada should favour immigration with those countries it’s a culture match. They tried to spin it anti Islam but in reality it was pro white European immigration 

and is it necessarily bad ? imagine brit scottish farmers , east european construction workers ? instead of say muzzies. Indians and Chinese will certainly make bigh numbers no matter what. 

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52 minutes ago, Vilander said:

and is it necessarily bad ? imagine brit scottish farmers , east european construction workers ? instead of say muzzies. Indians and Chinese will certainly make bigh numbers no matter what. 

But it’s not anti muzzies it’s anti brown. Meaning less opportunities for our people 

 

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18 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

I dunno if RaGa is a good example. Trudeau gets a lot of flak for basically being a sleazy salesman image who tries to please everyone and by trying to position himself as the ultimate in virtue signalling. He is one of those guys who sounds extremely convincing and genuine when he is smooth talking you and making promises, but sounds extremely fake when he is outraged or angry. Like that kid in school u never quite believed was angry because his body language said he was putting on a show.

Oh I don't know if he is actually Rahul Gandhi. From what little I have seen from him, he seems to genuinely think what he says, even if he is wrong. Rahul is a cartoon who will change his statement depending on what his handlers think is politically expedient. 

 

However, online he is treated just like Pappu from what I've seen. 

I know this is a fake quote, but it is funny that it encapsulates what many think of him

Image result for if you kill your enemies they win

Or this

Image result for justin trudeau meme

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On 10/2/2019 at 9:15 AM, Vilander said:

@Muloghonto @Under_Score @Tibarn who do you hate less justin or andrew ? 

I don't hate any of these leaders, Justin Trudeau is a good person just like his father Pierre Trudeau who was Canada PM ( 1968 - 1984 ). Pierre Trudeau gave opportunity to non-white immigrants, he believed that Canada was for 'All races' not just 'Whites'. 

Justin Trudeau has committed blunders in trying to earn the 'Good PM' image...he became too nice instead of being Realistic about 'What type of immigrants are good for Canada. 

My vote is for him.....hopefully he wins & doesn't screw up if he wins a second term.

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1 hour ago, Under_Score said:

.he became too nice instead of being Realistic about 'What type of immigrants are good for Canada. 

My vote is for him.....hopefully he wins & doesn't screw up if he wins a second term.

how do you know he will not welcome a million more food stamp gang who would come in drive uber and make 10 babies each ?

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8 hours ago, Under_Score said:

I never said I know that he'll NEVER welcome unwanted people.....I said "hopefully he wins & doesn't screw up if he wins a second term"

Thats the thing dosent the other guy Scheer then get a chance at least he is clear on Immigration.

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On 10/1/2019 at 11:19 AM, SecondSlip said:

One good thing about the Justin Trudeau government from an Indian POV is that he has made it much easier for Indian people to enter into Canada, especially students. 
 

 

Don't be under any illusion.  Canada is not USA.

All these students who enter Canada, will either end up taking a low paid job or end up as a taxi driver/store worker.

 

Only if you graduate from one of the top univs like Univ of Toronto or Calgary etc. do you stand a chance of securing a decent job.

 

And I do not think the Canadian students can apply for Permanent Residency either, unless they are sponsored by a company

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11 hours ago, Under_Score said:

I don't hate any of these leaders, Justin Trudeau is a good person just like his father Pierre Trudeau who was Canada PM ( 1968 - 1984 ). Pierre Trudeau gave opportunity to non-white immigrants, he believed that Canada was for 'All races' not just 'Whites'. 

Justin Trudeau has committed blunders in trying to earn the 'Good PM' image...he became too nice instead of being Realistic about 'What type of immigrants are good for Canada. 

My vote is for him.....hopefully he wins & doesn't screw up if he wins a second term.

Again you cannot be further away from truth.

ALL these countries that opened up for Immigration was because they had a population that was shrinking at an alarming rate.  Which means they did not have enough working population to keep the economy afloat.

 

Canada and Australia two countries who read into this quite early and opened it up.  Not because they like non-whites.

 

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13 hours ago, BlackMamba said:

Again you cannot be further away from truth.

ALL these countries that opened up for Immigration was because they had a population that was shrinking at an alarming rate.  Which means they did not have enough working population to keep the economy afloat.

 

Canada and Australia two countries who read into this quite early and opened it up.  Not because they like non-whites.

 

This is why I have immense respect for Pierre Trudeau. My uncle ( Mom's brother who immigrated to Canada in the 70s ) mentioned to me that Pierre Trudeau could have only focused on bringing white Europeans only if he wanted to as immigrants as per the demand for work force, but he gave Asians also the equal opportunity. 

 

Multiculturalism[edit]

On October 8, 1971, Pierre Trudeau introduced the Multiculturalism Policy in the House of Commons. It was the first of its kind in the world,[114] and was then emulated in several provinces, such as Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and other countries most notably Australia, which has had a similar history and immigration pattern. Beyond the specifics of the policy itself, this action signalled an openness to the world and coincided with a more open immigration policy that had been brought in by Trudeau's predecessor Lester B. Pearson.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Trudeau

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7 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

good better than a Khalistani sympathiser.

If opposing a Murderer Politician from India who was one of the perpetrators of the 1984 Anti-Sikh Mass Genocide makes him look like a Khalistani sympathizer....So be it, Majority of Sikhs living here in Canada don't give a F*ck about dirty Indian politicians :two_thumbs_up:

 

Political career[edit]

Early federal politics[edit]

Singh provided pro bono consulting to an activist group that protested the visit to Canada of Kamal Nath, the Indian trade minister who had persecuted Sikhs and had allegedly led armed mobs during the 1984 Delhi pogrom.[26][27] After failing to get their views heard, Singh was inspired to run for office by the activist group so their concerns could be better represented.[26]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagmeet_Singh

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On 10/4/2019 at 10:19 PM, Under_Score said:

I don't hate any of these leaders, Justin Trudeau is a good person just like his father Pierre Trudeau who was Canada PM ( 1968 - 1984 ). Pierre Trudeau gave opportunity to non-white immigrants, he believed that Canada was for 'All races' not just 'Whites'. 

Justin Trudeau has committed blunders in trying to earn the 'Good PM' image...he became too nice instead of being Realistic about 'What type of immigrants are good for Canada. 

My vote is for him.....hopefully he wins & doesn't screw up if he wins a second term.

So happy for a good person Justin Trudeau & his family, not a majority Govt....still he won!! Awesome :nice:

 

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 ndp fell from 44 to 25 seats. Will there be an election for change of leader? Other smaller parties appeared to have gained.

 

Also the conservatives appear to be leading in the national vote. This suggests they fluffed their lines in the campaign.

 

I could be wrong. Please correct.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

 ndp fell from 44 to 25 seats. Will there be an election for change of leader? Other smaller parties appeared to have gained.

 

Also the conservatives appear to be leading in the national vote. This suggests they fluffed their lines in the campaign.

 

I could be wrong. Please correct.

 

 

That depends on how soon the ICF designated women's laundry folder contacts RSS ( Canada )  and starts a aggressive campaign towards the leadership change.. best election results today.....enjoyed every bit of it...G'nite.

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well to be fair the NDP fell from 103 seats to 44 seats and now 25 seats. Vote share 30% to 15%. Clearly what they are saying etc is not working with the electorate regardless of who the leader is.

 

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, Under_Score said:

If opposing a Murderer Politician from India who was one of the perpetrators of the 1984 Anti-Sikh Mass Genocide makes him look like a Khalistani sympathizer....So be it, Majority of Sikhs living here in Canada don't give a F*ck about dirty Indian politicians 

LOL! He gets his face blackened with election results (so to say it was Justin Trudeau who did it literally), he has the gall to lecture India. 104 to 25 ..NDP under his leadership. Anyway, extreme left is losing ground world over including canada. Glad that Trudeau has a minority government, losing out on popular vote.

 

Good analysis of the election results here.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/election-2019/john-ivison-trudeau-manages-a-weakened-win-even-after-a-record-of-disappointment

 

Didn't liberals and NDP have seat sharing, was it a 3-way fight? NDP gets 15% vote: 

 

Bloc Quebecois gaining,  does that mean separatists are gaining ground?

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Under_Score said:

That depends on how soon the ICF designated women's laundry folder contacts RSS ( Canada )  and starts a aggressive campaign towards the leadership change.. best election results today.....enjoyed every bit of it...G'nite.

:hysterical::hysterical: 

Man, that other RSS thread is what you call mental disintegration. That guy is scarred for life it seems. What a pity. 

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10 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

good better than a Khalistani sympathiser.

You mean Trudeau? He won minority gov't.  Liberals is far more leaning and advantageous for Sikh/Punjabis than any other party.  Prominent positions are held by Sikhs and Punjabis in the Liberal setup.  This whole Khalistan top was overblown unnecessarily to peg back the Liberals.  

 

Anyways, Cons had a softball election and blew it with Scheer at the helm.  NDP were never contenders in the first place. A good warning for Liberals and trudeau

 

 

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22 minutes ago, vice said:

You mean Trudeau? He won minority gov't.  Liberals is far more leaning and advantageous for Sikh/Punjabis than any other party.  Prominent positions are held by Sikhs and Punjabis in the Liberal setup.  This whole Khalistan top was overblown unnecessarily to peg back the Liberals.  

 

Anyways, Cons had a softball election and blew it with Scheer at the helm.  NDP were never contenders in the first place. A good warning for Liberals and trudeau

 

 

No, Jagmeet (NDP), he was touted to be the next coalition candidate for PM, if Justin had lost more. Jagmeet was openly supporting Khalistani terrorists. Cons have to thanks Parti Québécois for cutting down Lib seats.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/06/fringe-sikh-interests-have-outsize-influence-canada-why-is-no-one-pushing-back/

 

 

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It is a testament to the political savvy of Canada’s small Sikh community that today nearly 5 percent of the Canadian parliament is Sikh, as are 12 percent of Trudeau’s cabinet ministers. Trudeau will even face down a Sikh opponent for the prime ministership in October — New Democratic Party leader Jagmeet Singh.

 

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22 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

No, Jagmeet (NDP), he was touted to be the next coalition candidate for PM, if Justin had lost more. Jagmeet was openly supporting Khalistani terrorists. Cons have to thanks Parti Québécois for cutting down Lib seats.

You missed the point, Sikhs/Punjabis have a much larger base and influence in Liberal Party. I was referring to Trudeau's India fiasco which was overblown and the Cons tried to gain advantage of it.   NDP has been  irrelevant for ages despite garnering positive gains towards the end of the campaign.   If a dawdling Trudeau can still win, then the onus is on the rightwinger, Scheer, who dropped the ball.  The popular vote is also misleading as the Cons have traditionally been favourites in the Prairies, where again they won in dominant numbers, whereas the votes were spread in other regions.   GTA, the heart of Canada, overwhelming, voted for the Liberals.  This might have to do with Ford doing major cuts in Ontario.  To sum it up, this was a more regional divide in this election.  

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conservatives did drop the ball. That much is true.

 

when you poll the most and still are far away from forming gov then you know you have messed up.

 

turdeau was there for the taking.

 

Re Sikhs. It could have been much better for them had it been liberals 130 NDP 50 or something like that. Its not a bad outcome, but its not a great outcome either. I think JT will lean towards the BQ for day to day support. What sikhs ideally needed was NDP to emerge as the only kingmaker in a liberal led government.

 

 

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