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1 minute ago, rtmohanlal said:

as if ICF members have been having some personnel grudge against him!! ... some body after playing 47 inns with such a mediocre record in SENA is inadequate for the team cause.... very simple. Keep in mind, the  likes of Karun nair was kicked off just after 7 or 8 inns.

not even that much just after 4 failures 

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19 hours ago, Cricwala said:

Most who oppose Rohit in tests don't 'hate' him. We all respect his ATG-like ODI exploits and many root for him as LOI captain. Its just that after 6 years in tests he just hasn't made any meaningful impact. He and Rahane debuted around the same time..at a time when even Pujara and Kohli were still settling down - but apart from Rohit, other 3 registered important scores in tight situations (both home & abroad) which Rohit has failed to do. 

 

If I have to compare Rohit with someone like Sehwag or Gambhir (both openers with obvious technical limitations), I would say that the later 2 managed to overcome their limitations with mental strength. Sehwag has played impactful series-defining or important knocks in Aus (2003 and 2007 series), Eng (2001 series)...and has a 100 in SA against a deadly attack consisting of Pollock, Ntini, Kallis. But more than this, at home Sehwag was a beast and conquered world class attacks - likes of McGrath, Warne, Gillespie, Lee (2004 series), SA (steyn, Ntini),  SL (murali at peak), absolutely plundered above average Pakistani attack...he has played series defining innings in TOUGH home & away series, which is why he is an ATG. Gambhir had a dream period from 2008-11, and he won us one overseas series (NZ) and played key role in drawing in SA. Apart from that, he was a beast against spin and mastered Murali etc in SL conditions - no mean feat. So he will always be remembered.

 

Rohit just hasn't made that sort of impact - at home or away. WI attack he plundered was pedestrian. And this SA attack is a pale shadow of what they once were - even Rabada is out of sorts at the moment. If Rohit puts in a series-defining performance at home against Aus (best attack to challenge us at home right now), or even against Eng / NZ at home - he will earn fans' respect, even if he fails in SENA. In fact, if we want a proven opener who will likely do well in Asian conditions, I would much rather go for Dhawan then Rohit.....but the final frontier for Indian cricket right now is SENA, and hence serious fans want TM to focus on building a team keeping that in mind. Hence the 'hate' against Rohit being tried in tests when other options like Gill and Easwaran are around (not counting Shaw who is banned, and Rahul who is totally out of sorts, but who has already had 1 high-impact series against Aus at home)

 

Lets not forget that players with dodgy techniques who rely on hand-eye coordination like Sehwag and Rohit can fall away very quickly with age. Sehwag fell away after 2011 WC when he was ~ 33, same age as Rohit today....

Why are people making as if pitches in SENA are never flat.No Indian opener after Gavaskar was adequate to deal with swing.Vijay was okay for few tests but he never had the ability to be a match winner.Rohit can score 100s in Australia and NZ. SA and England are the places where Rohit will have hard time.

 

The problem with Rohit is he cannot resist himself and plays too many shots in air.Even in this innings he could have been out before he reached his fifty.He was very lucky that ball fell in no man's land.

 

Bowlers do not need to get Rohit out , he will get himself out by playing silly shots. It is not like  all his dismissals in SENA countries were jaffas.He got himself out many times.

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12 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

not even that much just after 4 failures 

yes...... what a case of plain nepotism!!....Feels bad for the guy..Perhaps his Kerala roots also went against  him.  If any body holds some grudge against Rohit , it is because of these sorts of  blatant nepotism executed by the TM  i would say...

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21 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I don't think Nair helped himself by flopping every where he played after he was dropped.Nair being dropped was not a big deal , he was never any answer for middle order.

U drop a guy who scored 300 is not a big deal that to only after 4 games in a series in which kohli also failed miserably . 300 doesnt happen every day that to against england who beat us at home on previous tour. 

 

Who are we to say he was no answer . He is good against pace n spin.....his only problem is being casual which can be attributed to most elegant players that times they play loose shots . He wasnt even tested to pass a judgement

 

Any player confidence will take a hit if u drop him unfairly , its a lot to do with mental space as well ....thats why security to a cricketer players a huge role . 

 

31 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

yes...... what a case of plain nepotism!!....Feels bad for the guy..Perhaps his Kerala roots also went against  him.  If any body holds some grudge against Rohit , it is because of these sorts of  blatant nepotism executed by the TM  i would say...

nothing related to roots

Kohli is plain idiot when it comes to handling youngster. Pant is from delhi na....look at how he has been handled 

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38 minutes ago, putrevus said:

The problem with Rohit is he cannot resist himself and plays too many shots in air.Even in this innings he could have been out before he reached his fifty.He was very lucky that ball fell in no man's land.

His airey shots arent the problem its more with the habbit of playing far away from the body n he doesnt plant his front foot much forward

due to which edges happen a lot n huge gap is created btw bat n pad.....so ball coming in n out both become a problem 

 

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Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

His airey shots arent the problem its more with the habbit of playing far away from the body n he doesnt plant his front foot much forward

due to which edges happen a lot n huge gap is created btw bat n pad.....so ball coming in n out both become a problem 

 

That problem you describe happens with most batsmen.Almost every batsman plays away from his body few times in their innings.If you are unlucky you get an edge.

 

If you get out due to a good ball bowled by bowler or due to weakness in your technique there is nothing you can do as a batsman.You cannot change your technique  at this late stage in case of Sharma .

 

What you can do as batsman as an opener is not get yourself out by taking unneccassary risks especially . Rohit has too many of such dismissals

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22 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

U drop a guy who scored 300 is not a big deal that to only after 4 games in a series in which kohli also failed miserably . 300 doesnt happen every day that to against england who beat us at home on previous tour. 

 

Who are we to say he was no answer . He is good against pace n spin.....his only problem is being casual which can be attributed to most elegant players that times they play loose shots . He wasnt even tested to pass a judgement

 

Any player confidence will take a hit if u drop him unfairly , its a lot to do with mental space as well ....thats why security to a cricketer players a huge role . 

 

nothing related to roots

Kohli is plain idiot when it comes to handling youngster. Pant is from delhi na....look at how he has been handled 

Nair's problem was he was not an opener nor he was better than other three batsmen who were playing at no3 -no5. He was a injury replacement and was a one dimesional player at no6.

 

They wanted Pandya to be fifth bowler so Nair had to go. Nair did not help himself after getting dropped.He is not better than other three middle order players so he cannot fit in the team.

 

It was a right call to drop Nair.

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16 minutes ago, putrevus said:

That problem you describe happens with most batsmen.Almost every batsman plays away from his body few times in their innings.If you are unlucky you get an edge.

Kohli n pujara are very tight .....kohli , tendulkar were a lil loose like most batsman at start but once they start getting some runs they were diff beast. 

The reason kohli improved on his poor england tour was by tightning his game more 

 

Rohit case is diff.....he has lost wkts overseas when he has been around 60 many times which means lapse of concentration n not being tight in btw session. In LOI once ball goes old nothing wud happ but in test  reverse can happen, weather can change...ball can start to turn a lot, 5th day pitch problems

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If you get out due to a good ball bowled by bowler or due to weakness in your technique there is nothing you can do as a batsman.You cannot change your technique  at this late stage in case of Sharma .

If u get out on jaffa thats forgivable but if u get out after being set which rohit has been guilty overseas thats not done

Picking wrong line n length is batsman fault , not playing acc to condition is batsman fault 

 

Its not technique changing its minor adjustment n choosing when to attack n when not to

Every batsman has to do this at test level 

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What you can do as batsman as an opener is not get yourself out by taking unneccassary risks especially . Rohit has too many of such dismissals

Rohit biggest test wud be moving specially when he has the habbit of playing straight ball in LOI 

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9 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Nair's problem was he was not an opener nor he was better than other three batsmen who were playing at no3 -no5. He was a injury replacement and was a one dimesional player at no6.

No he bowls.....he is decent part timer

Also he was  dropped for Rohit from squad who doesnt bowl at all so dimensions were never a reason 

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They wanted Pandya to be fifth bowler so Nair had to go. Nair did not help himself after getting dropped.He is not better than other three middle order players so he cannot fit in the team.

Pandya in XI doesnt mean Nair cant be in 15, he was dropped from 15 only for a non performing rohit 

 

A youngster will understand if he is dropped for team combination from XI but will affect his confidence if he gets unfairly dropped from squad

 

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It was a right call to drop Nair.

Absolutely not....

1st dropping anyone after 4 failures is wrong......4 innings is nothing specially in a series where most batsman were struggling including our captain

Dropping the one who has made 300 is idioticness of highest level....

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30 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

nothing related to roots

Kohli is plain idiot when it comes to handling youngster. Pant is from delhi na....look at how he has been handled 

yes......he is a dumb ass   as  any one can ever be, but the difference here is that damage inflicted on Pant is temporary and far lesser intense while  Karun got it beyond repair.    Perhaps me,  there seems to be a prejudiced conception  with Kohli that  players  from  lesser traditional(w.r.t cricket)   regions  like Kerala do  not have it in them to make it big. Agreed Karun  plays for Karnataka , but still...

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1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Kohli n pujara are very tight .....kohli , tendulkar were a lil loose like most batsman at start but once they start getting some runs they were diff beast. 

The reason kohli improved on his poor england tour was by tightning his game more 

 

Rohit case is diff.....he has lost wkts overseas when he has been around 60 many times which means lapse of concentration n not being tight in btw session. In LOI once ball goes old nothing wud happ but in test  reverse can happen, weather can change...ball can start to turn a lot, 5th day pitch problems

If u get out on jaffa thats forgivable but if u get out after being set which rohit has been guilty overseas thats not done

Picking wrong line n length is batsman fault , not playing acc to condition is batsman fault 

 

Its not technique changing its minor adjustment n choosing when to attack n when not to

Every batsman has to do this at test level 

Rohit biggest test wud be moving specially when he has the habbit of playing straight ball in LOI 

Why are you comparing Rohit to Kohli, Kohli is one of the best ever not everyone is Kohli.Picking up line and length is a talent not everyone has, Sachin had uncanny ability to pick line and length of any bowler on any pitch thats why he was never out of place even as a youngster.

 

Not everyone is Kohli who worked hard to overcome his weaknesses or Sachin who was just genius.

 

You are  repeating what I said about Rohit getting out himself.Rohit will fail 99/100 times against moving ball.There is no mystery in that issue.

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23 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

No he bowls.....he is decent part timer

Also he was  dropped for Rohit from squad who doesnt bowl at all so dimensions were never a reason 

Pandya in XI doesnt mean Nair cant be in 15, he was dropped from 15 only for a non performing rohit 

 

A youngster will understand if he is dropped for team combination from XI but will affect his confidence if he gets unfairly dropped from squad

 

Absolutely not....

1st dropping anyone after 4 failures is wrong......4 innings is nothing specially in a series where most batsman were struggling including our captain

Dropping the one who has made 300 is idioticness of highest level....

No he is not decent bowler, he is a useless bowler stop hyping every one and stop complaing about everything.What is point in keeping in him the squad when he had no chance of playing , he was better off playing elsewhere and getting better.Selectors did ask Nair to flop everywhere after he was dropped.Rohit Sharma was always in reckoning as he was performing in odis.Yuvraj  also had  stop and start test career but he always was in reckoning for tests due to his odi career.

 

Nair was in the team as replacment and he was not better than the player he replaced it is that simple. There was no injustice done in Nair's case.

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Just now, putrevus said:

Why are you comparing Rohit to Kohli, Kohli is one of the best ever not everyone is Kohli.Picking up line and length is a talent not everyone has, Sachin had uncanny ability to pick line and length of any bowler on any pitch thats why he was never out of place even as a youngster.

M also giving Pujara xample.....forget that i can give babar example to

They are way more tight then rohit.....

N rohit can be compared to anyone since he is blessed with talent no less then any legend.....all it comes to is application be it sachin or any small batsman application is must for all 

 

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14 minutes ago, putrevus said:

No he is not decent bowler, he is a useless bowler stop hyping every one and stop complaing about everything.

Vihari is no murali

Rohit cant even bowl whom we played in Aus as 6th batsman

 

hype .....scoring 300 is a joke

14 minutes ago, putrevus said:

What is point in keeping in him the squad when he had no chance of playing , he was better off playing elsewhere and getting better.

If rohit can play in Aus

Vihari was played in england 

 

So ur saying as if we never played 6th btasman

14 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Selectors did ask Nair to flop everywhere after he was dropped.Rohit Sharma was always in reckoning as he was performing in odis.Yuvraj  also had  stop and start test career but he always was in reckoning for tests due to his odi career.

U cant score every day mindset is imp

Dropping someone unfairely affacts mindset

 

U think kohli scores all time ,.....going by his standard he avg 36 in last 12 innings he shud be dropped

 

Fact check ODI perfomance shud not give u place in test, n when nair was dropped after aus series ....rohit was picked in next series in SL the only series that happened was IPL n rohit failed in that 

 

14 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Nair was in the team as replacment and he was not better than the player he replaced it is that simple. There was no injustice done in Nair's case.

Nair was rahane replacement 

NAir cud have been 6th batsman in XI or extra batsman in squad 

 

Dropping someone after 4 innings in injsutice...if not then kohli also deserved to be dropped after that series coz he failed miserably

Kohli deserved to be dropped after WI test series, ENg series where he failed in t20, odi, test  everywhere

Infact kohli shud be dropped now....he avg 36 in last 12 innings

 

Lets have same yardstick for everyone 

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20 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Nair was in the team as replacment and he was not better than the player he replaced it is that simple. There was no injustice done in Nair's case.

Nair after 6 test avg 62.....Dropping a player avg 62 and who scored 300 just after 4 failure is foolishness which is one among many of kohli 

Kohli avg 21 after 6 test 

 

Also lets take same series in which nair failed

Nair - 13

Kohli - 9

 

Kohli performed worse then nair

 

 

Now dnt give me his ODI runs logic coz nair hasnt gotten a chance their. Since kohli says he wants to set xample from front ...he shud drop himself 1st

 

He shud drop himself from RCB captaincy

HE shud have dropped himself after Aus series, if nair failure was the his dropping reason

If he can drop pant, he shud drop himself coz he avg 36 in last 12 innings n has played many loose shots .....about catch dropping Kohli is quite ahead in that race as well ....pant for sure doesnt drop as many as pant

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34 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

M also giving Pujara xample.....forget that i can give babar example to

They are way more tight then rohit.....

N rohit can be compared to anyone since he is blessed with talent no less then any legend.....all it comes to is application be it sachin or any small batsman application is must for all 

 

Application is not a must to all batsman, some are good enough to survive with their natural talent.Not every player works hard in improving in their their game thats why there are different players.

 

Pujara is opposite end of spectrum from Rohit, he is all about application.

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27 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Nair after 6 test avg 62.....Dropping a player avg 62 and who scored 300 just after 4 failure is foolishness which is one among many of kohli 

Kohli avg 21 after 6 test 

 

Also lets take same series in which nair failed

Nair - 13

Kohli - 9

 

Kohli performed worse then nair

 

 

Now dnt give me his ODI runs logic coz nair hasnt gotten a chance their. Since kohli says he wants to set xample from front ...he shud drop himself 1st

 

He shud drop himself from RCB captaincy

HE shud have dropped himself after Aus series, if nair failure was the his dropping reason

If he can drop pant, he shud drop himself coz he avg 36 in last 12 innings n has played many loose shots .....about catch dropping Kohli is quite ahead in that race as well ....pant for sure doesnt drop as many as pant

What are you smoking Kohli was dropped after 3 tests. Why should he have dropped himself after Australian series or last 12 innings.

 

Don't measure  every player same way. Nair was not a unfair drop.He was always living on borrowed time as India was trying to get Pandya into the mix.

 

I was and I am still against dropping of Pant.Pant and Saha offer pretty much the same as far wicket keeping goes. Pant was just fine in all overseas tours.He played two tests at home looked alright.Pant is far better batsman than Saha ever will be and he is young, you don't drop younger player for an older player with similar skills.

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1 hour ago, putrevus said:

I was and I am still against dropping of Pant.Pant and Saha offer pretty much the same as far wicket keeping goes.

What are you having/drinking/smoking?! 

If that is the case, then they also offer the same in batting. Saha's keeping is much better than Pant's, more so than Pant's batting is better than Saha's. It seems that is how the team management sees it, and I for one am glad for it - especially because it takes actual cricket knowledge and observation skills to judge wicketkeeping ability ... something not common among ICFers, as evidenced by the number of anti-Saha posts.

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