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Will use this thread to track missed chances (regulation and the tough ones) by Team India
 
Day 3, Ind vs SA Vizag Test: 7 drop catches - 4 by Saha (one an extremely difficult one), 1 each by Vihari, Rohit and Rahane, has cost us 219 runs so far!!
 
17.5 Jadeja to Bavuma, no run, DROPPED! Plays this off the back foot, as the ball rushes on to him, and he flicks this towards Vihari. Goes in and pops out
Bavuma was on 0, scored 18
 
46.2 Jadeja to Elgar, no run, is that a drop? Length ball, around off stump, and Elgar pokes a bit at it, and gets the outside edge, and Saha cannot hang on to it. It was a decent chunk of the bat, and also didn't go to slip. 
Elgar was on 75, scored 160
 
60.4 Vihari to de Kock, no run, dropped. Rohit Sharma is not low enough at silly point. Length ball on off stump, looks to flick and gets it off the leading edge. Rohit only manages to get an instinctive right hand to it
de Kock was on 7, scored 111
 
91.2 I Sharma to Elgar, FOUR runs, past the keeper! No slip in! There was one last over, and a gully. It's only the gully now. Short of a length, cross-seam ball jumps up at Elgar as he looks to defend this. He has no idea as it slams his glove and sails wide of Saha
Elgar was on 142
 
95.4 Jadeja to de Kock, no run, was that an edge? The shoulder of the bat. Looked to cut that, but got it into Saha's leg and it fell short of Rahane at slip
de Kock was on 83
 
97.2 Jadeja to de Kock, no run, inside edge onto pad and bobs up momentarily to Saha's left, but way too wide for him to get a hand on it. A length ball outside off
de Kock was on 88
 
100.6 Ashwin to Muthusamy, FOUR runs, dropped! A tough chance to the left for Rahane. Length ball outside off, looks to drive and gets a thick edge. Rahane stretches to his left but it's too much to do
Muthuswamy was on 0

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5 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:
 
Will use this thread to track missed chances (regulation and the tough ones) by Team India
 
Day 3, Ind vs SA Vizag Test: 7 drop catches - 4 by Saha (one an extremely difficult one), 1 each by Vihari, Rohit and Rahane, has cost us 219 runs so far!!
 

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Cricbuzz keeps track of drops, they are usually more accurate than Cricinfo, but we can compare

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-full-commentary/22743/ind-vs-rsa-1st-test-south-africa-tour-of-india-2019

 

100.6

Ashwin to Senuran Muthusamy, FOUR, dropped by Jinks - one of the safest catchers. Flighted delivery outside off stump, Muthusamy lunges forward and looks to push hard, gets a thick edge that flies, Rahane had to react quickly to his left and it escaped as he went one-handed

 
45.2

Jadeja to Elgar, no run, zips through, I think there's an outside edge on that striaghter one, and Saha's fluffed it! Tough chance, but that's gotta be taken...

17.5

Jadeja to Bavuma, no run, that would've been special had he held on. Turned off the bat-face into Vihari at short leg. Had no time to react. His best chance would've been had the ball looped up off his body somehow for the rebound, which it didn't

 

Cricbuzz says 3 Cricinfo says 7. That is a big difference... 

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17.5

46.2

100.6 

 

These 3 were the dropped chances, none of them straightforward...these chances either stick or bounce out of palms. 

 

Others are comedy choices...the one on 91.2 for instance...went to vacant 2nd slip region...had Saha made that 10 m long jump from standing position to his left he would be in World Athletics meet, Doha right now and a greater star than Usain Bolt. Aise toh 400 dropped catches mil jayenge har innings me. 

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OK lemme be the bigger man and make peace with OP, you seem to be a sensible guy...why this error in judgement? Agenda against Saha? You can do whatever you want without fake info, don't you think? Introspect maybe.....not my intention to use harsh language.

Peace. 

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3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Several of them were not catches.  Everything going past Saha isn't a catch.

Using same parameters that has been used to criticise performance of other keepers. Can’t have different standards. Each half chance gets highlighted for others, why not for Saha.

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8 minutes ago, Gollum said:

OK lemme be the bigger man and make peace with OP, you seem to be a sensible guy...why this error in judgement? Agenda against Saha? You can do whatever you want without fake info, don't you think? Introspect maybe.....not my intention to use harsh language.

Peace. 

:two_thumbs_up: will delete some of my posts, but not the first post :p:

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18 minutes ago, Moochad said:

Cricbuzz keeps track of drops, they are usually more accurate than Cricinfo, but we can compare

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-full-commentary/22743/ind-vs-rsa-1st-test-south-africa-tour-of-india-2019

 

100.6

Ashwin to Senuran Muthusamy, FOUR, dropped by Jinks - one of the safest catchers. Flighted delivery outside off stump, Muthusamy lunges forward and looks to push hard, gets a thick edge that flies, Rahane had to react quickly to his left and it escaped as he went one-handed

 
45.2

Jadeja to Elgar, no run, zips through, I think there's an outside edge on that striaghter one, and Saha's fluffed it! Tough chance, but that's gotta be taken...

17.5

Jadeja to Bavuma, no run, that would've been special had he held on. Turned off the bat-face into Vihari at short leg. Had no time to react. His best chance would've been had the ball looped up off his body somehow for the rebound, which it didn't

 

Cricbuzz says 3 Cricinfo says 7. That is a big difference... 

Brah I saw all those so called chances. 3 drops, all 3 not straightforward.

Had Saha taken the 3 other so called misses he would be in my Tokyo 2020 team and a runaway winner in

1. long jump

2. diving

3. floor gymnastics

4. with spidey reflexes, contender in TT, badminton with 6 months training

 

He wouldn't be toiling under hot/humid sun playing a dying sport called test cricket.

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22 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

:two_thumbs_up: will delete some of my posts, but not the first post :p:

Edit part of your OP dude because it is misleading. I have deleted the rude portions in my posts, don't really want to pick petty fights and I have no history of altercations with you. 

 

It is a good topic you started but to ensure it doesn't become mockery we need to be fair. Otherwise in future, people will bump this and assign faltu ka blame to players they don't like...it will become a thread for agenda setting and not for honest discussion and evaluation. I am sure you'll agree that the purpose of this thread is cricket analysis, as thread starter would you like if this becomes a mudslinging contest or random posters deliberately pulling certain players down? Some of the candidates in OP they aren't half chances, they are quarter chances or in some cases no chance for any human. Keeper can't make long jump from static position and cover 2nd slip area, occasionally he can take catches in 1st slip region towards his natural side. 

 

I don't spend much time on cricket section, if you start something new ensure it is done in proper spirit and not based on how it was done earlier by posters with vested interests. I know half chances when I see them, somehow watched those exact portions of play today and my strong disagreement has no ulterior motive. CB has got it spot on, just the 3.

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16 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Brah I saw all those so called chances. 3 drops, all 3 not straightforward.

Had Saha taken the 3 other so called misses he would be in my Tokyo 2020 team and a runaway winner in

1. long jump

2. diving

3. floor gymnastics

4. with spidey reflexes, contender in TT, badminton with 6 months training

 

He wouldn't be toiling under hot/humid sun playing a dying sport called test cricket.

I was wondering how Cricinfo and Cricbuzz could have such a difference in number of dropped catches :cantstop:

 

I didn't remember half of those and I watched a large portion of the match live. 

 

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42 minutes ago, Moochad said:

I was wondering how Cricinfo and Cricbuzz could have such a difference in number of dropped catches :cantstop:

 

I didn't remember half of those and I watched a large portion of the match live. 

 

Even Cricinfo hasn't used 'dropped' in 3 of those instances (all Saha's) if you notice. Because they weren't drops, no human being is gonna take those !!!! 

 

Rohit Sharma's  drop wasn't a drop per se...practically speaking those of us who have followed the sport would realize those are 1/10 chances...even worse odds IMO. SP, FSL aren't expected to take balls travelling at that pace and that height. Even Vihari's drop of Bavuma was a half chance IMO, either sticks or doesn't. But I don't mind if OP wants to include that, or Rahane's. During heat of the moment we may think of them as easy chances, but when analyzed calmly maybe we judge the players too harshly? Saha's only legit drop was of Elgar, a thick edge which is the toughest to take for keepers when standing up to the stumps. PP missed a couple of those in the 2016 Eng home series and I never counted them...since this is Saha it is right to account for it because we have higher expectations from Saha the keeper. 

 

Even I watched most of the action today, including all the portions mentioned in OP. Didn't need CB or cricinfo to tell me how many we dropped. Waise these CB/cricinfo commentators have their biases and agenda....sure follow them when you can't watch the match live but take their assessment with a pinch of salt. Also some of their expectations are unrealistic, basic human flaw. Our eyes are always the best judge, I do think an average ICFer isn't like a random Indian fan....he/she has some ability to analyze independently and not be like sheep. Those cricket sites are mainly for lazy, non-serious fans, sometimes they sensationalize things for more hits and participation.

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1 hour ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Using same parameters that has been used to criticise performance of other keepers. Can’t have different standards. Each half chance gets highlighted for others, why not for Saha.

Because they weren't half chances.

 

Elgar edged one between Pappu and first slip in our test series there...that was a legit chance. I am sure most here would remember that incident....keeper and 1st slip (Che?) staring at each other with Pappu shouting and making faces.

 

Elgar edging one to second slip when there was no one between keeper and 4th slip isn't a chance for a non-Avenger....https://www.hotstar.com/sports/cricket/south-africa-tour-of-india-2019/india-vs-south-africa-m190926/match-clips/replay-india-vs-sa-day-3/1440002682 (check 6:16:30 mark)

 

6:42:16

6:37:07

and others

@Ankit_sharma03 and @Moochad bhai, you as well in case you are interested. 

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1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Several of them were not catches.  Everything going past Saha isn't a catch.

With Superman Saha everything is a chance. We (those who are not blind) have got so used to Saha taking freakish chances, we have sort of come to expect it. Of course, with average keepers, many would not be a drop, because they would usually be in a different postcode when those "chances" arrive ...

 

Those who do not have a good enough grasp of cricket fail to appreciate such nuances, and then come up with ideas like "<insert random batsman who happens to also have keeping gloves somewhere in his kit bag> is not much worse than Saha as a keeper".

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9 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Using same parameters that has been used to criticise performance of other keepers. Can’t have different standards. Each half chance gets highlighted for others, why not for Saha.

Ball going through slips is a half chance?

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11 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Several of them were not catches.  Everything going past Saha isn't a catch.

We have new standards since Pant.

Everything going past the keeper is now a missed catch...:p:

What is good for the goose....

 

 

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118 catches dropped by Saha this innings, can't list all but here are some:

 

1.3

U Yadav to de Bruyn, FOUR, dropped. Second drop for Virat in this Test. Remember, he put down one in the first innings as well. Curved away at the last instant just outside off, induces Bruyn into a poke and he took the bait. Carried to Virat at third slip who went low and got both hands but couldn't pouch it. To rub salt into the wounds, it runs away to the boundary as well

It was Saha's regulation catch but Kohli dropped in 3rd slip

2.6

Ishant to Elgar, no run, dishes out fuller outside off at 130.7kph, Elgar's gets his weight forward and pokes it to mid-off

Mid off, up in the air, where was Saha?

4.5

Ishant to Elgar, FOUR, he's living on a knife's edge, isn't he? Cries of "Catch" as Elgar chases at this, slicing it up in the air and it just eludes the point fielder before scurrying away to the third man boundary

Point fielder no gloves, Saha has gloves, kiska catch? Another drop.

10.5

Shami to Elgar, FOUR, flurry of boundaries off Elgar's bat. Shami doesn't change his line and floats it outside off, Elgar slaps it firmly through the vacant cover region 

What ra? Cover in Saha zone, no?

36.4

Jadeja to Bavuma, FOUR, lovely shot, half-volley outside off, Bavuma presses forward, plays with an open face and drives it into the gap wide of cover-point

37.5

Ashwin to Senuran Muthusamy, FOUR, lovely, nicely tossed up outside off and spinning away, Muthusamy leans across, then brings his hands into play and caresses the drive wide of cover for a boundary

38.6

Jadeja to Bavuma, SIX, cracking shot, tad too short from RJ, Bavuma was quick to read the length, rocked back and pulled it over mid-wicket - went all the way, bounced just over the ropes for a maximum

Up in the air, elevation, Saha?

45.2

Jadeja to Philander, SIX, overpitches, does Jadeja, Philander steps forward and lofts this cleanly over the straight boundary for six! Where did that come from?

Saha?

45.3

Jadeja to Philander, SIX, Whoof! What's happening here? Given a bit of flight, Philander steps across and slog-sweeps that against the turn over the wide long-on boundary and into the crowd for six! Consecutive sixes!

Saha?

42.1

Shami to Bavuma, FOUR, nicely played, pitched up and just outside off, Bavuma leans across, plays with an angled bat and then runs it in the gap behind gully, long chase for the fielder but in vain

61.3

Kohli to Philander, FOUR, "Catch" was the shout and it evades extra cover. Philander throws his bat on the drive and creams it a bit airly, however it's out of Ashwin's grasp and zooms away to the boundary

 

Many more, another 213 drops in 1st innings :((. Bad bad Saha, bring back Dhoni, Pappu and DK :orderorder:.

Image result for sad tiger

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6 hours ago, Gollum said:

118 catches dropped by Saha this innings, can't list all but here are some:

 

1.3

U Yadav to de Bruyn, FOUR, dropped. Second drop for Virat in this Test. Remember, he put down one in the first innings as well. Curved away at the last instant just outside off, induces Bruyn into a poke and he took the bait. Carried to Virat at third slip who went low and got both hands but couldn't pouch it. To rub salt into the wounds, it runs away to the boundary as well

It was Saha's regulation catch but Kohli dropped in 3rd slip

2.6

Ishant to Elgar, no run, dishes out fuller outside off at 130.7kph, Elgar's gets his weight forward and pokes it to mid-off

Mid off, up in the air, where was Saha?

4.5

Ishant to Elgar, FOUR, he's living on a knife's edge, isn't he? Cries of "Catch" as Elgar chases at this, slicing it up in the air and it just eludes the point fielder before scurrying away to the third man boundary

Point fielder no gloves, Saha has gloves, kiska catch? Another drop.

10.5

Shami to Elgar, FOUR, flurry of boundaries off Elgar's bat. Shami doesn't change his line and floats it outside off, Elgar slaps it firmly through the vacant cover region 

What ra? Cover in Saha zone, no?

36.4

Jadeja to Bavuma, FOUR, lovely shot, half-volley outside off, Bavuma presses forward, plays with an open face and drives it into the gap wide of cover-point

37.5

Ashwin to Senuran Muthusamy, FOUR, lovely, nicely tossed up outside off and spinning away, Muthusamy leans across, then brings his hands into play and caresses the drive wide of cover for a boundary

38.6

Jadeja to Bavuma, SIX, cracking shot, tad too short from RJ, Bavuma was quick to read the length, rocked back and pulled it over mid-wicket - went all the way, bounced just over the ropes for a maximum

Up in the air, elevation, Saha?

45.2

Jadeja to Philander, SIX, overpitches, does Jadeja, Philander steps forward and lofts this cleanly over the straight boundary for six! Where did that come from?

Saha?

45.3

Jadeja to Philander, SIX, Whoof! What's happening here? Given a bit of flight, Philander steps across and slog-sweeps that against the turn over the wide long-on boundary and into the crowd for six! Consecutive sixes!

Saha?

42.1

Shami to Bavuma, FOUR, nicely played, pitched up and just outside off, Bavuma leans across, plays with an angled bat and then runs it in the gap behind gully, long chase for the fielder but in vain

61.3

Kohli to Philander, FOUR, "Catch" was the shout and it evades extra cover. Philander throws his bat on the drive and creams it a bit airly, however it's out of Ashwin's grasp and zooms away to the boundary

 

Many more, another 213 drops in 1st innings :((. Bad bad Saha, bring back Dhoni, Pappu and DK :orderorder:.

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bring back... deep dasgupta. IMO, he was even worse as a keeper than pappy boy and DK.

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2 hours ago, singhprakash72 said:

Oh Deep Dasgupta ...yes he was probably worst than PP. To imagine the list of mediocre keepers we used after Mongia retired is unbelievable ! 

Yes, big dip in keeping since Mongia retired. Dasgupta was the worst that I saw - more shoddy than Pappu, DK, Dighe, Karim, Dahiya, MSK Prasad (who was quite competent as keeper, but horrible batsman), etc.

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15 hours ago, Vijy said:

Yes, big dip in keeping since Mongia retired. Dasgupta was the worst that I saw - more shoddy than Pappu, DK, Dighe, Karim, Dahiya, MSK Prasad (who was quite competent as keeper, but horrible batsman), etc.

Dasgupta was a better bat than most of these though. Batted like a proper Top 5 batsman and not a bits-and-pieces guy.

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On 10/14/2019 at 1:07 PM, Vijy said:

Yes, big dip in keeping since Mongia retired. Dasgupta was the worst that I saw - more shoddy than Pappu, DK, Dighe, Karim, Dahiya, MSK Prasad (who was quite competent as keeper, but horrible batsman), etc.

Vijay Dahiya was a good batsman. He along with sehwag won a ODI against a strong Australian team. Dahiya scored 50. He disappeared from scene for that useless Mumbai quota sameer dighe. 

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On 10/15/2019 at 4:08 AM, Magneto said:

Dasgupta was a better bat than most of these though. Batted like a proper Top 5 batsman and not a bits-and-pieces guy.

I was referring to his keeping, not his batting. agree his batting was mostly up to the mark.

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4 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Given that how we bungled last 2 tests in NZ with dropped catches we have to revisit this thread ahead of this tour.   Let us see what we do this time around.

Let us do so in a new thread. OP gave false info to malign Saha and I find that unacceptable. 

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1 hour ago, Gollum said:

Let us do so in a new thread. OP gave false info to malign Saha and I find that unacceptable. 

I only used the standards by which Pant was being judged. If half chances were drops for Pant, so it should for Saha. But then the Kohli-Dhoni PR bandwagon suddenly turned pro-Saha (obviously to derail Pant’s LOI career and secure Thalia’s place in T20 WC)
 

Keeping that aside, regularity with which Captain Doofus’ team kept dropping catches, there was no point in updating the thread any further. 

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