Shami's impact in Indian condition is phenomenal

[sandeep]

On 10/6/2019 at 5:05 PM, Aiden said:

Great use of swing with old ball. Reverse swing suddenly will be considered an art now isnt it?

Your whinge is about 20 years too late.

[rtmohanlal]

the given stats prove as to how great a bowler the legendary Kapil was because he did it in the company of Binny, Madan lal, Maninder,  Shiv lalYadav etc etc who all were >35 averaging bowlers.

[sourab10forever]

On 10/6/2019 at 2:09 PM, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Shami, umesh, jadeja, ashwin......what numbers all of them have

 

Thats the reason India is so dominant at home......just no breathing space 

Imagine when Bumrah is back. 

[nitinbwj]

Bumrah Shami and Umesh ...boobie who ?

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, nitinbwj said:

Bumrah Shami and Umesh ...boobie who ?

even bhuvi avg 26.2 in India which is damn good 

[Khota]

On 10/22/2019 at 7:12 AM, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yea still ull say nonsense like ashwin has so many wkts coz no one taks wkts one other end

whereas reality is ashwin had to share wkts with umesh, shami, jadeja......ye his record is phenomenal 

India never had such good pace combinatin ever before.

[Muloghonto]

On 10/22/2019 at 5:17 AM, rtmohanlal said:

One stark contrast  in the list is between Shami  & Zaheer .  Shami is the best seamer while Zaheer is the worst by far which is easily understood by their contrasting styles . Zaheer relied a lot on his leap at the crease where as Shami barely leaps. Shami  is a skiddy  bowler who becomes unplayable when there is variable bounce and there by his success. Umesh too is sort of skiddy with lesser skills.

 

On 10/6/2019 at 5:10 AM, Vijy said:

zak's record stands out sorely compared to others. he needed assistance from pitches compared to some of the other pacers in the list

It’s the whole ‘ greatest strength and weakness at the same time’ scenario. A left arm pacer is only dangerous when he can cut the ball back into the right hander, without which the right hander can totally negate the lbw scenario. A right arm pacer can stick to the line and length on hard pitches and bowl fullish to hit top of off and get success. A left arm pacer cannot do this and rely on some movements in the air or off the pitch to be successful. This is why left arm pacers who are good are almost always swing or seam bowlers and a left arm ran rod straight McGrath or Ambrose are kind of useless. Had it been 50-50 leftie rightie mix in cricket it wouldn’t matter but that isn’t the case. 

[express bowling]

6 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

 

It’s the whole ‘ greatest strength and weakness at the same time’ scenario. A left arm pacer is only dangerous when he can cut the ball back into the right hander, without which the right hander can totally negate the lbw scenario. A right arm pacer can stick to the line and length on hard pitches and bowl fullish to hit top of off and get success. A left arm pacer cannot do this and rely on some movements in the air or off the pitch to be successful. This is why left arm pacers who are good are almost always swing or seam bowlers and a left arm ran rod straight McGrath or Ambrose are kind of useless. Had it been 50-50 leftie rightie mix in cricket it wouldn’t matter but that isn’t the case. 

 

A left-armer can bowl round the wicket ( from his perspective )  and angle the ball at the right-handed batter's off stump. 

 

We have seen both Bumrah and Shami bowl round the wicket rather regularly and with success to left handers when they are not getting much movement and want the LBW too.

Edited October 26, 2019 by express bowling

[Muloghonto]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

A left-armer can bowl round the wicket ( from his perspective )  and angle the ball at the right-handed batter's off stump. 

Hard to do without running on to the wicket and that’s the problem with bowling on the wrong side of the wicket for pacers: they can’t go with their natural body angle at end of follow-through and end up having to cut away hard or bowling wide off the stumps to not run on the wicket, something that’s a lot stringently enforced now than 20 years ago. 

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Hard to do without running on to the wicket and that’s the problem with bowling on the wrong side of the wicket for pacers: they can’t go with their natural body angle at end of follow-through and end up having to cut away hard or bowling wide off the stumps to not run on the wicket, something that’s a lot stringently enforced now than 20 years ago. 

 

Right handed bowlers, like Bumrah snd Shami, bowling round the wicket to left handers and successfully so without running on the wicket ... has been rather common in the last couple of years.

 

As Bumrah said ... it is more a matter of practicing doing this a lot.

 

 

[rkt.india]

9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Right handed bowlers, like Bumrah snd Shami, bowling round the wicket to left handers and successfully so without running on the wicket ... has been rather common in the last couple of years.

 

As Bumrah said ... it is more a matter of practicing doing this a lot.

 

 

The issue is teams have more right handers than left handers. So, left arm pacers will have to bowl always all the time from round the wicket when there is no swing or seam. This the biggest reason i don't rate left arm pacers who rely on swing and seam in test cricket as they are less effective against right hand batsmen if there is no help. But they are are effective in LOIs due to the angle they create.

[Muloghonto]

3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

The issue is teams have more right handers than left handers. So, left arm pacers will have to bowl always all the time from round the wicket when there is no swing or seam. This the biggest reason i don't rate left arm pacers who rely on swing and seam in test cricket as they are less effective against right hand batsmen if there is no help. But they are are effective in LOIs due to the angle they create.

Most wickets have some seam to it and a swing bowler can mostly swing the ball for the first ten overs and if the leftie is good enough, like Akram, he will more than compensate.

[Muloghonto]

16 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Right handed bowlers, like Bumrah snd Shami, bowling round the wicket to left handers and successfully so without running on the wicket ... has been rather common in the last couple of years.

 

As Bumrah said ... it is more a matter of practicing doing this a lot.

 

 

The entire reason they have to practice this a lot and it’s still much rarer to bowl from the wrong side, is because it’s much harder to do for a period of time without overstressing the body and still mostly done as an intimidation body line tactic 

[rkt.india]

54 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Most wickets have some seam to it and a swing bowler can mostly swing the ball for the first ten overs and if the leftie is good enough, like Akram, he will more than compensate.

Akram had the benefit of bottle caps and was a big tailender basher.

[Muloghonto]

20 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Akram had the benefit of bottle caps and was a big tailender basher.

Not much bottle-capping for Akram really as far as I know. After the whole Bottlecap allegations in England series, Waqar dropped a few notches ( Immy was already gone) and careers like Aaqib Javed etc tanked a lot. Akram was also the most successful Pakistani pacer of this period and honestly the online one I can like, mostly coz he remained effective even after it.

 

Tailend bashing is a bit overplayed. Yes it inflates his wicket count easy but he was an extraordinary tail basher and regularly taking the last 2-3 wickets for 10 runs is an extremely powerful option to have long term as well. So I don’t necessarily view it negatively either . And this was mostly due to his utter mastery of swing. Tailenders are really most succiptible to movement in the air and Akram had that. 

Edited October 26, 2019 by Muloghonto

[Ankit_sharma03]

11 hours ago, Khota said:

India never had such good pace combinatin ever before.

not only pace this is the best overall attack we had

Shami-Umesh-ashwin-jadeja- absolute no breathing space.....no weak link at all 

Ashwin n jadeja batting is a huge bonus to this lineup which allows us to play Bumrah-kuldeep at home which can even make this attack more lethal . Lets not forget Shami n umesh can slog on their days + umesh n jadeja are good athelete hence 2 good fielder on ground among bowlers

 

Among these 4 - three bowlers shami , ashwin, jadeja all have avg under 23 at home..... and now umesh avg is also under 26 

[putrevus]

Of all the Pakistani bowlers, I rate Wasim Akram highest and I think he is still the best lefthander bowler ever to have played this game.I don't think he was bottle cap dependent.

[Khota]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

not only pace this is the best overall attack we had

Shami-Umesh-ashwin-jadeja- absolute no breathing space.....no weak link at all 

Ashwin n jadeja batting is a huge bonus to this lineup which allows us to play Bumrah-kuldeep at home which can even make this attack more lethal . Lets not forget Shami n umesh can slog on their days + umesh n jadeja are good athelete hence 2 good fielder on ground among bowlers

 

Among these 4 - three bowlers shami , ashwin, jadeja all have avg under 23 at home..... and now umesh avg is also under 26 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

20 minutes ago, Khota said:

not only pace this is the best overall attack we had

Shami-Umesh-ashwin-jadeja- absolute no breathing space.....no weak link at all 

Ashwin n jadeja batting is a huge bonus to this lineup which allows us to play Bumrah-kuldeep at home which can even make this attack more lethal . Lets not forget Shami n umesh can slog on their days + umesh n jadeja are good athelete hence 2 good fielder on ground among bowlers

 

Among these 4 - three bowlers shami , ashwin, jadeja all have avg under 23 at home..... and now umesh avg is also under 26 

highliting the best bowler of last series.....

Agenda agenda Agenda

Personal hate

Edited October 26, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[rkt.india]

11 hours ago, putrevus said:

Of all the Pakistani bowlers, I rate Wasim Akram highest and I think he is still the best lefthander bowler ever to have played this game.I don't think he was bottle cap dependent.

He may not be dependent but they did use bottlecaps and got benefited.