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Hindu Samaj Party leader Kamlesh Tiwari assasinated in Lucknow


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1 hour ago, adi B said:

Yogi is asleep it seems ,its all upto amit Shah to take up this matter and have a crackdown at these Muslim orgs and maulana!

Heartwrenching Murder this !

Yogi will bury this case to save his reputation, wait and watch. Colossal fukc up by his govt and as @Jimmy Cliff always says, BJP doesn't give a * about Hindus. They only care about winning elections, uske liye hamare qaum ko ullu banate rehte hai. 

 

Aar cholbe naa dada, water above the neck. Amader ke nije songhothit kore oi shantipoorno samajer shonge yuddho korte hobe (aami bangla te likchi nahole eikhaner admins ebom libtards er ponde khujli hobe ), no more depending on fraud entities like BJP/RSS, oder theke sahajjo paoar asha e aar koto din thaakbo? Tara ekti targeted netar roksha korte pare naa, aar ki bolbo.  

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9 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Yogi will bury this case to save his reputation, wait and watch. Colossal fukc up by his govt and as @Jimmy Cliff always says, BJP doesn't give a * about Hindus. They only care about winning elections, uske liye hamare qaum ko ullu banate rehte hai. 

 

Aar cholbe naa dada, water above the neck. Amader ke nije shonghotit kore oi shantipoorno samajer shonge jong korte hobe (aami bangla te likchi nahole eikhaner admins ebom libtards er ponde khujli hobe ), no more depending on fraud entities like BJP/RSS, oder theke sahajjor paoar asha e aar koto din thaakbo? Tara ekti targeted netar roksha korte pare naa, aar ki bolbo.  

Exactly, ghani chokhi  baat kahi sai chhore Taine, ib Sara karam kand apne dhore hi krna padega, kisi susre ke bas ka naa se, aapne baalkan ke tayaar raakhiye, ghani lambi chaalni sai ib. 

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3 hours ago, raki05 said:

But do you see usual librandu coming out of their gutter hole and criticizing this issue in media and newspapers. Do we see same ruckus media creating like they did during dadri lynching or that Muslim not getting rental apartment. What a bloody hypocrite our country is.

Some people like to mentally masturbate and make themselves feel good by being publicly vocal about defending the "minority".  That's all that is.  True liberals would be equally vociferous about the murder of this hindutva goon.

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3 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

You still don't get it and never will. The "peacefuls" have a higher % of religiously motivated nut-jobs than literally every other religion with numbers and they are far more committed to the cause than extremists from any other community. That is the point.

 

Instead of recognizing the truth that stares us in the face, all we are doing is coming up with platitudes like lets not badmouth the entire community and every religion has it's share of bad apples etc etc.

You can handle the problem by being consistently firm against mob violence.  Of any hue.  And explicitly attacking the faith of criminals who act in the name of Islam, only serves to strengthen their support.  As a society our goal should be to weaken those morons, not strengthen them, by participating in a blanket anti-muslim backlash - which is actually exactly what they want.  

 

But you are free to do you.  Responding to extremism and violence with bigoted rhetoric is counter productive - even though it may temporarily make you feel good.  

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54 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Factcheck yourself buddy, that's inaccurate.

Well he might have slipped up in the past and that is just Trump being Trump but during his whole election campaign he maintained  how iraq war was a mistake and went after Jeb Bush and attacked him on it. In fact this admission of the Iraq war being a mistake was a bold move as this went  against the conservative stance that always defended the Iraq war. In fact this was even against his main voterbase's stance . Once again neither am I saying trump is a peace loving angel nor his stance for or against anything isn't politically motivated. All I was saying was that he did stick to his opinion that USA shouldn't get involved in other people's mess right from the start of his campaign.

 

The so called "Nobel peace prize winner" Obama and his foreign policies played a huge part in the whole Arab Spring mess. sometimes image is not everything.

 

I do agree with Trump here on the whole Kurds-Turkey conflict. In fact USA has always been about benefiting from wars by selling merchandise not by fighting one right from World War 1 and Trump as a businessman has the same line of thinking here. He was willing to negotiate with the frickin Taliban of all people.

 

The point I was making was Gollum calling Trump a wass for backing out. Trump might still be one but on decisions such as this where US doesn't have a business, he is actually right and for a change Trump has been consistent. In fact he has been consistent on a lot of his election mandate. Was it implemented is a different debate

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, sandeep said:

You can handle the problem by being consistently firm against mob violence.  Of any hue.  And explicitly attacking the faith of criminals who act in the name of Islam, only serves to strengthen their support.  As a society our goal should be to weaken those morons, not strengthen them, by participating in a blanket anti-muslim backlash - which is actually exactly what they want.  

 

But you are free to do you.  Responding to extremism and violence with bigoted rhetoric is counter productive - even though it may temporarily make you feel good.  

How exactly are you weakening those morons when you are inadvertently providing them with cover fire by juxtaposing them with extremists from other communities who are nowhere near as committed or devoted to the cause as they are. How exactly are you (not you personally but the proverbial you) weakening these morons when the hysteria that erupts for each Muslim victim of mob violence is completely invisible when the victim happens to be a Hindu. This in fact strengthens these morons (who are a lot smarter than you think) even more as they realize that Hindu lives are cheap and game for slaughter whereas the entire MSM and their cronies will whip up a storm whenever a victim is Muslim. We see this with the reporting for this murder already as it's downplayed right in front of in our eyes with the victim being called as someone who belongs to a ultra right-wing fringe group etc etc.

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2 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

How exactly are you weakening those morons when you are inadvertently providing them with cover fire by juxtaposing them with extremists from other communities who are nowhere near as committed or devoted to the cause as they are. How exactly are you (not you personally but the proverbial you) weakening these morons when the hysteria that erupts for each Muslim victim of mob violence is completely invisible when the victim happens to be a Hindu. This in fact strengthens these morons (who are a lot smarter than you think) even more as they realize that Hindu lives are cheap and game for slaughter whereas the entire MSM and their cronies will whip up a storm whenever a victim is Muslim. We see this with the reporting for this murder already as it's downplayed right in front of in our eyes with the victim being called as someone who belongs to a ultra right-wing fringe group etc etc.

By refusing to conflate the morons with the majority of muslims who are just regular folks, I am arguing for preventing them from gaining strength. 

 

As far as media coverage is concerned, its a given that the media in India is a flaming pile of hshyte.  

 

Even if you believe that the "silent majority" is silently supportive of aggressive 'activists'  - which I do not btw - but even if you do, angry rhetoric aimed at "punishing" the muslim community will only serve to strengthen support for the morons.  That is a very obvious and simple point.   Using "what about this and that", "what about the biased media" etc to justify adding fuel to the fire is plain ignorant.  And counter-productive.  

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2 hours ago, sandeep said:

By refusing to conflate the morons with the majority of muslims who are just regular folks, I am arguing for preventing them from gaining strength. 

 

As far as media coverage is concerned, its a given that the media in India is a flaming pile of hshyte.  

 

Even if you believe that the "silent majority" is silently supportive of aggressive 'activists'  - which I do not btw - but even if you do, angry rhetoric aimed at "punishing" the muslim community will only serve to strengthen support for the morons.  That is a very obvious and simple point.   Using "what about this and that", "what about the biased media" etc to justify adding fuel to the fire is plain ignorant.  And counter-productive.  

Well I never spoke about the silent majority endorsing the murderers (yet!) or "punishing" the entire Muslim community so not sure what what you are on about. I do however believe that Islam does produce a disproportionately high number of religious nutjobs compared to other religions though. And the first step to solve a problem is to at least recognize it for what it is. Merely thinking of it as a law and order issue or "mob violence" is missing the woods for the trees. 

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9 hours ago, Gollum said:

Yogi will bury this case to save his reputation, wait and watch. Colossal fukc up by his govt and as @Jimmy Cliff always says, BJP doesn't give a * about Hindus. They only care about winning elections, uske liye hamare qaum ko ullu banate rehte hai. 

 

Aar cholbe naa dada, water above the neck. Amader ke nije songhothit kore oi shantipoorno samajer shonge yuddho korte hobe (aami bangla te likchi nahole eikhaner admins ebom libtards er ponde khujli hobe ), no more depending on fraud entities like BJP/RSS, oder theke sahajjo paoar asha e aar koto din thaakbo? Tara ekti targeted netar roksha korte pare naa, aar ki bolbo.  

I’d say BJP actually wishes that more of RW people get killed so that there’s a collective outrage which it can cash in for electoral benefits...

Its handling of non stop RW killings in Kerala & WB is for everybody to see...

 

Modi will prefer to get highest civilian awards from Arabs rather than showing support to RWs who are getting killed.

 

i thought Phadnavis was a phattu CM. Looks like this Yogi is a bigger phattu...

 

However, whats RW organisations doing themselves? Don’t they have resources to make their own “task force” to take “counter measures” and also provide security to vulnerable leaders (fringe or not)? What Hindu organisations do all day? Do bhajan & keertan and hope Modi/Yogi will save them? When was the last time Modi govt went out of the way for a Hindu cause? “Sabka Vishwaas” is currently more important for BJP... Hindu organisations, while supporting BJP to be on the ruling side, should never depend on BJP for Hindu matters...

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20 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

I do however believe that Islam does produce a disproportionately high number of religious nutjobs compared to other religions though. And the first step to solve a problem is to at least recognize it for what it is. Merely thinking of it as a law and order issue or "mob violence" is missing the woods for the trees. 

Let's assume for the sake of argument that your claim is true - even if that is the case, in terms of combating extremism, it is not helpful to attack the religion publicly and as a whole.  It only serves to strengthen those within it that argue that its muslims against the world, and they need to close ranks.  The smart thing to do, is to make it difficult for the nutjobs to find further support, explicit or tacit, in their co-religionists.  But if you start trashing the religion as a whole, you do the opposite.  You make it easier for the nutjobs to claim that they are "fighting for their community", instead of being extreme.  You make it easier for them to recruit more followers, or at least half-hearted support.   Is that what you want? I dont think so.

 

Its easy to claim that you are speaking "hard truths".  But what is the outcome and objective?  To satisfy your urge to "speak out", or something else?

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7 hours ago, sandeep said:

Some people like to mentally masturbate and make themselves feel good by being publicly vocal about defending the "minority".  That's all that is.  True liberals would be equally vociferous about the murder of this hindutva goon.

So that's what people is ranting about.....As these librandus are the reason that these foreign media outlets like nytimes and BBC have recently started spitting venom and branding is an hindutva country. Let me tell you this straight fact no country in world can live in peace where Muslim has substantial presence.

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