Why are we reluctant to develop or pick the next gen 140 k + pacers ?

[raki05]

12 hours ago, express bowling said:

Squads for Deodhar Trophy selected ....

 

India A: Jaydev Unadkat, Sandeep Warrier, Siddarth Kaul,

India B:  Mohammed Siraj, Rush Kalaria, Yarra Prithviraj,

India C:  Avesh Khan, Dhawal Kulkarni, Ishan Porel, D G Pathania,

 

 

10 pacers selected

 

6 are medium pacers ... Kaul, Unadkat, Kalaria, Dhawal, Porel, Pathania

 

3 are fast-medium ...  Siraj, Warrier, Prithviraj

 

Only 1 maybe a fast bowler. ... Avesh

 

 

So ... 60 % are medium pacers

 

Mavi not selected in any if the 3 teams 

 

No Rajpoot either.

 

 

Why don't they select Mavi... i mean Mavi and Nagarkotti are fastest bowler in u 19 and also Mavi was in top 5 fastest bowler in ipl. And here he doesn't get a sniff in deodhar trophy as well.

[express bowling]

Kohli had talked about developing 5 backup fast bowlers who can bowl.with pace and intensity throughout the day and land the ball in good areas too.

 

What happened to that august plan ?

 

I see only Saini who fits the above specifications and hovering near team India.

 

Shardul and Chahar will never meet the above specifications ... and Khaleel may do so only if he gets to play the full FC season for Rajasthan.

 

 

 

 

 

[express bowling]

5 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Why don't they select Mavi... i mean Mavi and Nagarkotti are fastest bowler in u 19 and also Mavi was in top 5 fastest bowler in ipl. And here he doesn't get a sniff in deodhar trophy as well.

 

And Mavi has good stats in both FC and List-A.

 

Pakistan is going to one extreme of picking kids to the test team from U 19 level without them playing A-team games even.

 

And we are going to the other extreme of not giving chances to 145 k+ young bowlers in either our A-teams or Deodhar Trophy.

[Suhaan]

13 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Whats disappointing to see is Deodhar trophy filled with trundlers like Kaul, unadkat, dhawal, rush kalaria

 

We also need this rule now like BBL in deodhar trophy 

1. Sides shud have all 140k+ bowlers

2. need one leggie in every side 

Yes,no matter how their national side fare in intls but  I like their will and desire to improve 

Atleast they made an initiative

Edited October 25, 2019 by Suhaan

[Adamant]

Deepak chahar is another ipl specialist who will get carted. 

Nagarkoti, porel, mavi, avesh, Saini are the real deal. 

 

Saini is easily the best fast bowling prospect for India.. 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Adamant said:

Deepak chahar is another ipl specialist who will get carted. 

Nagarkoti, porel, mavi, avesh, Saini are the real deal. 

 

Saini is easily the best fast bowling prospect for India.. 

 

Our current selectors seem to be interested in finding the next Manoj Prabhakar, next Chetan Sharma and next RP Singh rather than the next Bumrah or next Shami.

 

 

[Suhaan]

14 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Our current selectors seem to be interested in finding the next Manoj Prabhakar, next Chetan Sharma and next RP Singh rather than the next Bumrah or next Shami.

 

 

Msk had a dream of India fielding an all trundler attack where batsmen heave their bats two three times before  ball actually reaching them

 

[Khota]

On 10/24/2019 at 8:14 AM, express bowling said:

I am looking at our selected T20I squad against Bangladesh.  The chosen pacers are Shardul, Chahar and Khaleel.

 

Not a single fast bowler has been chosen.

 

Yes, Khaleel and Shardul can bowl some 140 + deliveries but that percentage is usually not that high. Moreover. Shardul is too short for a pacer who varies between medium pace and fast-medium. Short pacers need to be really quick. 

 

Our fast bowling has been revolutionised by the rise of Bumrah and Shami ... who combine high pace and bounce with accuracy and movement. Along with other skills, their ability to sustain good speeds throughout the day has been one of the biggest factors contributing to their success. And Ishant combines 6'5" height and bounce with accuracy and is not a medium pacer either.

 

Yet, we see that most of the new pacers coming through and getting selected are either medium pacers or vary between medium pace and fast-medium. This applies to Shardul, Chahar and Khaleel.

 

Yes ... we are talking about a T20 squad where pace is not that important. But since this team management is completely reluctant to try new pacers even against weak teams like Bangladesh while playing at home then we are left with LOI squads only.  ( Veterans Shami, Umesh and Ishant are our selected pacers for this home test series and not s single young quick bowler is there )

 

Could we not have tried atleast 1 young quick bowler in this test series against Bangladesh as the 3rd pacer in a 5 man bowling attack  ??

 

Saini, who is a quick bowler, hasn't yet been tried in either tests against weaker teams or ODIs. Yes, he is probably injured now but I am talking about the last 18 months.

 

Why not try Prasidh, Mavi, Avesh, Nathu etc. ... whoever is good at this stage ... in A-teams and LOIs. ??

 

Would Ganguly look at this aspect of developing the next gen of 140 k+ pacers ??

 

Let us not forget that we are getting results with pacers who combine skills with 140 k+ pace. Medium pacers did not get our pace attack anywhere till the 2010s decade.

 

 

 

Great post. Nothing needs more attention than pace bowler resources but unfortunately public admires the six hitters more.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Now ppl cant even say coz dhoni's fingers hurt

 

its always been coz our mindset have been towards pace that bowler with less pace give control........modern cricket understanding is still beyond many cricketers specially avg ones which have been part of selection. They dont understand when pace is less batsman these days step down n make their own pace. 

 

Have heard agarkar been having good views about it....he needs to be among selector. We need one fast bowler like Zak, agarkar, nehra among selection committee 

[Straight Drive]

For some reason our selectors are in love with playing trundlers in T20. Why don't these weak trundlers take the job of spin bowling or play ladies cricket which will gladly accept pace of 125 to 135 kph.  Selectors should reward bowlers who actually bowl like pace bowlers.

[jf1gp_1]

no batsman including 8 and 9 are scared to 140. We also dont have a 150+ bowler. Saini is probably the quickest we have and he isn't available only god knows what that means. 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

M more concerned about skill set that selectors are looking then speeds

 

Shardul has cranked 140+ at times , i think in SA or SL he was recorded at 148k but the point is is his skill set good enough to be a main bowler in a top side like India. He cud have played for SL or bang but not this indian team 

 

Need to look at bowlers with skill set for right formats . I dnt think these selectors or TM understand fast bowling

Kohli with his so called fast bowling image had siraj in RCB and yet cudnt understand that he lacks skill sets for LOI as of now but he can great in red ball....so cant even blame selectors alone. TM knws capability of shardul and if gets in team time after time its TM who is approving it . 

 

[vishalvirsingh]

On 10/24/2019 at 7:27 PM, express bowling said:

What does Shardul Thakur bring to the table ?

 

-- Lacks accuracy

-- Lacks extra pace

-- Lacks height or bounce

-- Is too slow for his short height or is too short for his average pace

-- Not great at extracting life out of pitches either 

among chahar,khaleel and shardul- I am convinced about Deepak chahar only for t20 team.

shardul is not International level .

khaleel is a left arm pacer but is definitely in the trundling mode...his Swing is average...definitely better than shardul but not international class.

Chahar is a magician with the new ball and swings big time , he has 135k- 140K pace and his first two overs can rock any international batsman so though he is not a genuine fast bowler but i have to appreciate his Skills.

no point of playing shardul/khaleel unless they can beat chahar or become as impressive as chahar/bhuvi.

 

ishant, shammi and umesh should not be picked for t 20 but Saini could have been supported more.

[raki05]

I am desperate to see Nagarkotti back all round cricketer like Brett Lee.....furiously fast, Amazing fielder and can hold bat. The latest I could see Discovery channel documentary on him.

 

[Forward Defence]

Unadkat and Kaul with combined figures of 18-0-148-0 in the second match against IND C.

Totally justified this thread

[Masquerade]

Is Porel really only medium pace? What sort of pace is he bowling at?

[raki05]

5 minutes ago, Masquerade said:

Is Porel really only medium pace? What sort of pace is he bowling at?

He is operating at 126 thunder grenade....dhwal throwing 106 -125 cruise missiles. So far I don't see a single  130 delivery by these 2.

[Forward Defence]

5 minutes ago, raki05 said:

He is operating at 126 thunder grenade....dhwal throwing 106 -125 cruise missiles. So far I don't see a single  130 delivery by these 2.

Any lateral movement? Swing seam or disconcerting bounce?

[raki05]

2 minutes ago, Forward Defence said:

Any lateral movement? Swing seam or disconcerting bounce?

Porel is trying to bounce out most of his deliveries are short of length intially. there are sligh lateral movement but due to early overs I suppose . However at this speed batsmens are way to comfortable to tackle it.

Edited November 1, 2019 by raki05

[Masquerade]

15 minutes ago, raki05 said:

He is operating at 126 thunder grenade....dhwal throwing 106 -125 cruise missiles. So far I don't see a single  130 delivery by these 2.

Geez that sounds awful. So much for him talking about how fast he wants to bowl during U19 WC