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Minority "rights" in Pakistan under Imran Khan


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10 hours ago, Zero_Unit said:

Muslims burning down their own mosques? That's a new one for me.

Its about not being muslim enough.  Most Pakistanis think that Ahmadiyyas don't have a right to call themselves muslim, because they believed their leader was another prophet.  Hardline Sunnis murder Shias because they are not the right kind of muslims, and so on.

 

Sad to see similar brainless logic reflected in India when folks use "anti-national" and other such trash to attack people for not being Indian or patriotic enough, simply because they disagree with them.

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5 hours ago, sandeep said:

Sad to see similar brainless logic reflected in India when folks use "anti-national" and other such trash to attack people for not being Indian or patriotic enough, simply because they disagree with them.

 

dont mind bashing commies for their anti-development stance in the name of environmental protection though :yess:

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6 hours ago, sandeep said:

Its about not being muslim enough.  Most Pakistanis think that Ahmadiyyas don't have a right to call themselves muslim, because they believed their leader was another prophet.  Hardline Sunnis murder Shias because they are not the right kind of muslims, and so on.

 

Sad to see similar brainless logic reflected in India when folks use "anti-national" and other such trash to attack people for not being Indian or patriotic enough, simply because they disagree with them.

This is the problem with Abrahamic religions. They all predict a final prophet and have never accepted a final prophet actually arriving. The Jews have the final prophet who they call masihah. From it the English word messiah derived from, meaning ‘ the saviour’. Well Christians say that’s Jesus but Jews go ‘ nope’.  Now christians themselves have a final prophet....which the Mormon founder claims to be and Christians go ‘nope’. Same with Muslims- they claim they too will get a final prophet, which the Ahmaddiya guy claims to be and predictably enough, they go ‘nope’. 

 

Also so a bit disingenuous of your to compare people being yelled at for not being nationalistic enough vs ethnic murders of Shias and Sunnis.

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3 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Also so a bit disingenuous of your to compare people being yelled at for not being nationalistic enough vs ethnic murders of Shias and Sunnis.

Sure one is "not as bad" as the other, but the illogic driving both acts is identical.  And deserves to be identified and called out as such. 

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23 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Sure one is "not as bad" as the other, but the illogic driving both acts is identical.  And deserves to be identified and called out as such. 

The idea that x is anti national can be right or wrong but it’s not illogical. Plenty of examples of anti national behaviour abounds.

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5 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

The idea that x is anti national can be right or wrong but it’s not illogical.

The idea that you can bully people based on their choice of words, or decision to sit or stand for national anthem, is illogical.  Its the same mindset that justifies attacking Ahmadis for daring to call their place of worship Mosques.  A demand to conform to a self-adjudicated mainstream 'norm' at the expense of destroying individual citizen rights enshrined in the Indian constitution. 

 

Plenty of examples of Pakistani-style bullying behavior in the name of criticizing/attacking "anti-national" abounds.

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25 minutes ago, sandeep said:

The idea that you can bully people based on their choice of words, or decision to sit or stand for national anthem, is illogical.

Sure. That idea is illogical. However calling out those who want to give visas to Pakistani actors and musicians as antinational is justified. The concept of anti nationalism is valid and obviously some examples will satisfy the parameter and some won’t. 

25 minutes ago, sandeep said:

  Its the same mindset that justifies attacking Ahmadis for daring to call their place of worship Mosques.  A demand to conform to a self-adjudicated mainstream 'norm' at the expense of destroying individual citizen rights enshrined in the Indian constitution. 

 

Plenty of examples of Pakistani-style bullying behavior in the name of criticizing/attacking "anti-national" abounds.

And plenty of examples where it’s valid also abounds. 

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