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1 minute ago, Straight Drive said:

He needs to improve his bowling. The quality of batsmen and bolwers you play against in Ranji Trophy and at international level is very different.  Being very specific he cannot be one of the 5 bowlers at all even in T20 format.

yup i already mentioned above that he is not a 5th but a 6th bowler 

It isnt only ranji he has done great in A-games as well 

1 minute ago, Straight Drive said:

In IPL he flopped and I guess he did not even bowl 2 overs per match on average, did he ?.

IPL was due to RCB.....we all saw how RCB managed him 

1 minute ago, Straight Drive said:

He lacks swing and bowls at very dibbly dobbly pace  His defense as batsman will not stand much against international bowlers.  At the moment his game is one dimensional with him being good at hitting. There is more to batting than just tonking the ball.

If anything he is mature and does finish innings with bat

In t20 at 6-7 , hitting is very vey important 

1 minute ago, Straight Drive said:

He will have to prove he can pace the batting innings as well. His IPL performance too was not good.  I feel he needs a massive improvement in developing himself to fit international level.

Against pace even i wanna see how he dos 

Improving anyways will happen the more he plays 

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13 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Two solid FC seasons with both bat and ball, consistent performances for the A side away from home in both FC and List A matches, a solid VZ trophy. Not sure why you would say he's not ready. Is a power hitter and can bowl 130k (have seen him bowl 127-128 kmph on domestic speed guns in FC matches), He's a late bloomer and has earned his spot. Only place where he missed was IPL. But that can be excused as playing under Kohli at that franchise is never easy, all they care about is their superstars and have always mismanaged younger players.

 

Good for him that he's making his debut under Rohit.

 

We have too many one dimensional players in our LOI sides. Need to keep giving opportunities to any talented player who does decently with both bat and ball. 

We can have better players than him in T20 side. Why waste a place on him.

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8 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yup i already mentioned above that he is not a 5th but a 6th bowler 

It isnt only ranji he has done great in A-games as well 

IPL was due to RCB.....we all saw how RCB managed him 

If anything he is mature and does finish innings with bat

In t20 at 6-7 , hitting is very vey important 

Against pace even i wanna see how he dos 

Improving anyways will happen the more he plays 

Virat Kohli is not a good man-manager and I agree about that. However, let's not blame bad performance of every underperforming RCB player on Kohli. The players have to introspect their failures to improve themselves

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1 minute ago, Straight Drive said:

Virat Kohli is not a good man-manager and I agree about that. However, let's not blame bad performance of every underperforming RCB player on Kohli. The players have to introspect their failures to improve themselves

how will he perform he didnt get chances.....player who bat at 6 7 will rarely get a chance to bat then if u give them 2-3 games their perfomances cant be judged at all . He only got 4 games in IPL....cant judge any youngster properly under kohli as he doesnt give a secure environment to them

 

how is the same guy so good in Ranji n A level in all formats .....he played A games in WI and at home Against Sa which had good bowlers 

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1 minute ago, Straight Drive said:

Rahul

Rohit Sharma

Virat Kohli

Rishabh Pant

Shreyas Iyer

Hardik Pandya

+ 5 specialist bowlers.

 

those are top order batsman above hardik , iyer is also best kept at 4 not the kind of batsman who needs to be pushed down

Hardik is injured ......n backups need to be prep for him . Its not only about XI ....we need to have a 15 n squad . 

We need options for slot 6 n 7.....even if hardik is fit its always good to have backups ready and if dube translates his hitting to international that ll be a huge bonus coz his hitting is certainely better then krunal , even though krunal bowling is miles ahead but this gives team n option to choose which ever area they wanna strengthen 

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18 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

those are top order batsman above hardik , iyer is also best kept at 4 not the kind of batsman who needs to be pushed down

Hardik is injured ......n backups need to be prep for him . Its not only about XI ....we need to have a 15 n squad . 

We need options for slot 6 n 7.....even if hardik is fit its always good to have backups ready and if dube translates his hitting to international that ll be a huge bonus coz his hitting is certainely better then krunal , even though krunal bowling is miles ahead but this gives team n option to choose which ever area they wanna strengthen 

In squad (Bilateral series only) the all rounder options who can be kept for development purpose are Gowtham, Krunal P, Dubey and Shankar.  Are we really goin to play developing players in playing 11 in T20i cup. We can go with tried and tested 5 specialist batsmen, H Pandya  and 5 specialist bowlers. In T20 cup we need to go with best. If we don't have good all-rounder then play specialist. It's not mandatory that we have to play two or even one all rounder for sake of it and waste a spot.

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3 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

In squad (Bilateral series only) the all rounder options who can be kept for development purpose are Gowtham, Krunal P, Dubey and Shankar.

Gowtham batting is far lesser then dubey, not good to bat in top 7

krunal- weak against pace

shankar- only good for odi n test, not a t20 player as of now

3 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

  Are we really goin to play developing players in playing 11 in T20i cup.

if he does well it wont he wnt be developing he wud own a place

n yes what wrong we kept playing developed players in t20 Wc for year that didnt work out well for us

3 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

We can go with tried and tested 5 specialist batsmen, H Pandya  and 5 specialist bowlers. In T20 cup we need to go with best. If we don't have good all-rounder then play specialist. It's not mandatory that we have to play two or even one all rounder for sake of it and waste a spot.

ur talking about only XI., m talking about backups n whole squad...this whole idea will go for a toss if hardik is injured 

We have enough specialist nyways which has made us one dimensional squad . Ppl can say all bits n pieces crap but Krunal won us a game overseas in NZ,WI,AUS in all those series 

 

Also Power hitting is a specialist job , dubey n pandya are specialist in that regard. U can consider someone like shubhman gill for that role 

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16 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Gowtham batting is far lesser then dubey, not good to bat in top 7

krunal- weak against pace

shankar- only good for odi n test, not a t20 player as of now

if he does well it wont he wnt be developing he wud own a place

n yes what wrong we kept playing developed players in t20 Wc for year that didnt work out well for us

ur talking about only XI., m talking about backups n whole squad...this whole idea will go for a toss if hardik is injured 

We have enough specialist nyways which has made us one dimensional squad . Ppl can say all bits n pieces crap but Krunal won us a game overseas in NZ,WI,AUS in all those series 

 

Also Power hitting is a specialist job , dubey n pandya are specialist in that regard. U can consider someone like shubhman gill for that role 

Haven't said Krunal is a bad option.  The batting of Sharma, Rahul, Kohli, Pant, Iyer and Pandya has enough quality and lasting ability for T20 format. We need a potent bowling attack as well. Adding all rounder at 7 like Dubey has pros and cons. There is a cameo if he clicks in the batting innings but then the loss is that we lose playing a proper wicket taking bowler. Can't rely on 4 spepeecialist bowlers and then 4 overs to come from Pandya and Dubey. I would rather have 5 specialist bowlers and only if needed maybe throw the odd over or two to Pandya and see how it goes. With Pant and Hardik who are all roounders in a sense, do we really need to add another all rounder. Why can't we go with specialist bowler.

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34 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Haven't said Krunal is a bad option. 

I was just giving an example of how misused the word bits n pieces is 

34 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

The batting of Sharma, Rahul, Kohli, Pant, Iyer and Pandya has enough quality and lasting ability for T20 format.

Then why are we still not doing well in t20s .....we miss players at bottom who can do icing on cake n let top order play freely 

34 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

\We need a potent bowling attack as well.

We already have that

34 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Adding all rounder at 7 like Dubey has pros and cons.

He wont be added straighaway 

he shud be an option with krunal

Krunal is a better bowler, dube better batsman

Whatever the need is we shud play that ( only once dube does well)

34 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

There is a cameo if he clicks in the batting innings but then the loss is that we lose playing a proper wicket taking bowler. Can't rely on 4 spepeecialist bowlers and then 4 overs to come from Pandya and Dubey.

We also have to look at in a way that what if hardik remains injured , we wont have any power hitter at 6 n 7 then

So dubey is very essential to be prep as backup

 

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45 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

I was just giving an example of how misused the word bits n pieces is 

Then why are we still not doing well in t20s .....we miss players at bottom who can do icing on cake n let top order play freely 

We already have that

He wont be added straighaway 

he shud be an option with krunal

Krunal is a better bowler, dube better batsman

Whatever the need is we shud play that ( only once dube does well)

We also have to look at in a way that what if hardik remains injured , we wont have any power hitter at 6 n 7 then

So dubey is very essential to be prep as backup

 

Can't pin point reason why we have failed to win T20i cup since 2007 instead of the fact that we since then have best T20 tournament in the world (IPL).

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5 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Can't pin point reason why we have failed to win T20i cup since 2007 instead of the fact that we since then have best T20 tournament in the world (IPL).

a lot of reason-

  • same team playing odi was playing t20....
  • same batting order ,same bowler,  same apporach....
  • post yuvi n raina decline lack of power hitters became a problem, dhoni was never good in t20 as player
  • bowlers- we had bumrah only in last t20 Wc. Zak, pk didnt work well...rp n irfan didnt do well post 1st t20Wc.....bhajji wasnt taking wkts, when we had jadeja he was never a good t20 player
  • Dhawan n rohit hasnt showed up in last 3 t20Wc as openers 
  • in last 2-3 t20 Wc it was one man show- kohli 

 

Lack of impact player like power hitters, death bowlers was a huge reason

 

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21 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

a lot of reason-

  • same team playing odi was playing t20....
  • same batting order ,same bowler,  same apporach....
  • post yuvi n raina decline lack of power hitters became a problem, dhoni was never good in t20 as player
  • bowlers- we had bumrah only in last t20 Wc. Zak, pk didnt work well...rp n irfan didnt do well post 1st t20Wc.....bhajji wasnt taking wkts, when we had jadeja he was never a good t20 player
  • Dhawan n rohit hasnt showed up in last 3 t20Wc as openers 
  • in last 2-3 t20 Wc it was one man show- kohli 

 

Lack of impact player like power hitters, death bowlers was a huge reason

 

Yuvi, Rohit, Dhoni, Kohli, Yusuf Pathan, Raina could clear the ropes on any ground. In T20 the ropes are at even lesser distance.

 

Have too say we lack a player like Russell.

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25 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Yuvi, Rohit, Dhoni, Kohli, Yusuf Pathan, Raina could clear the ropes on any ground. In T20 the ropes are at even lesser distance.

 

Have too say we lack a player like Russell.

Kohli plays a safe game n mostly accelrates in end

Dhoni takes it till end till its too lat

Yuvi had a decline from 3rd t20 wc and it never ended

Yusuf was just a spinner basher whom even spinners figured out 

Raina decline also came

Rohit didnt do well in last 3 t20Wc 

 

We also had dhawan n jadeja who were never good in t20s

 

We never clicked as unit. Biggest problem has been approach ...our top 3 plays till end which has given pandya not much time to bat only. If we get one more hopefully top 3 can bat ore freely 

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8 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Kohli plays a safe game n mostly accelrates in end

Dhoni takes it till end till its too lat

Yuvi had a decline from 3rd t20 wc and it never ended

Yusuf was just a spinner basher whom even spinners figured out 

Raina decline also came

Rohit didnt do well in last 3 t20Wc 

 

We also had dhawan n jadeja who were never good in t20s

 

We never clicked as unit. Biggest problem has been approach ...our top 3 plays till end which has given pandya not much time to bat only. If we get one more hopefully top 3 can bat ore freely 

Can't debate much with the reasons mentioned in this post. Good one.

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On 10/28/2019 at 5:45 PM, Ankit_sharma03 said:

IF imran khan own perfomance is taken out 

he avg below 30 till 50 test with bat 

With ball 40 till 10th test 

 

So he himself was not good enough at anything when he came on, No all rounder comes full ready made world class.... all rounders takes time evolve and get better 

 

Imran was never a proper alrounder. When he was a good bowler, his batting was not good. When he started batting well, his bowling went down.

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