Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Straight Drive said: He needs to improve his bowling. The quality of batsmen and bolwers you play against in Ranji Trophy and at international level is very different. Being very specific he cannot be one of the 5 bowlers at all even in T20 format. yup i already mentioned above that he is not a 5th but a 6th bowler It isnt only ranji he has done great in A-games as well 1 minute ago, Straight Drive said: In IPL he flopped and I guess he did not even bowl 2 overs per match on average, did he ?. IPL was due to RCB.....we all saw how RCB managed him 1 minute ago, Straight Drive said: He lacks swing and bowls at very dibbly dobbly pace His defense as batsman will not stand much against international bowlers. At the moment his game is one dimensional with him being good at hitting. There is more to batting than just tonking the ball. If anything he is mature and does finish innings with bat In t20 at 6-7 , hitting is very vey important 1 minute ago, Straight Drive said: He will have to prove he can pace the batting innings as well. His IPL performance too was not good. I feel he needs a massive improvement in developing himself to fit international level. Against pace even i wanna see how he dos Improving anyways will happen the more he plays Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 13 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said: Two solid FC seasons with both bat and ball, consistent performances for the A side away from home in both FC and List A matches, a solid VZ trophy. Not sure why you would say he's not ready. Is a power hitter and can bowl 130k (have seen him bowl 127-128 kmph on domestic speed guns in FC matches), He's a late bloomer and has earned his spot. Only place where he missed was IPL. But that can be excused as playing under Kohli at that franchise is never easy, all they care about is their superstars and have always mismanaged younger players. Good for him that he's making his debut under Rohit. We have too many one dimensional players in our LOI sides. Need to keep giving opportunities to any talented player who does decently with both bat and ball. We can have better players than him in T20 side. Why waste a place on him. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Just now, Straight Drive said: We can have better players than him in T20 side. Why waste a place on him. who are these better players in lower order ? Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: yup i already mentioned above that he is not a 5th but a 6th bowler It isnt only ranji he has done great in A-games as well IPL was due to RCB.....we all saw how RCB managed him If anything he is mature and does finish innings with bat In t20 at 6-7 , hitting is very vey important Against pace even i wanna see how he dos Improving anyways will happen the more he plays Virat Kohli is not a good man-manager and I agree about that. However, let's not blame bad performance of every underperforming RCB player on Kohli. The players have to introspect their failures to improve themselves Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Straight Drive said: Virat Kohli is not a good man-manager and I agree about that. However, let's not blame bad performance of every underperforming RCB player on Kohli. The players have to introspect their failures to improve themselves how will he perform he didnt get chances.....player who bat at 6 7 will rarely get a chance to bat then if u give them 2-3 games their perfomances cant be judged at all . He only got 4 games in IPL....cant judge any youngster properly under kohli as he doesnt give a secure environment to them how is the same guy so good in Ranji n A level in all formats .....he played A games in WI and at home Against Sa which had good bowlers Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: who are these better players in lower order ? Rahul Rohit Sharma Virat Kohli Rishabh Pant Shreyas Iyer Hardik Pandya + 5 specialist bowlers. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Straight Drive said: Rahul Rohit Sharma Virat Kohli Rishabh Pant Shreyas Iyer Hardik Pandya + 5 specialist bowlers. those are top order batsman above hardik , iyer is also best kept at 4 not the kind of batsman who needs to be pushed down Hardik is injured ......n backups need to be prep for him . Its not only about XI ....we need to have a 15 n squad . We need options for slot 6 n 7.....even if hardik is fit its always good to have backups ready and if dube translates his hitting to international that ll be a huge bonus coz his hitting is certainely better then krunal , even though krunal bowling is miles ahead but this gives team n option to choose which ever area they wanna strengthen Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 18 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: those are top order batsman above hardik , iyer is also best kept at 4 not the kind of batsman who needs to be pushed down Hardik is injured ......n backups need to be prep for him . Its not only about XI ....we need to have a 15 n squad . We need options for slot 6 n 7.....even if hardik is fit its always good to have backups ready and if dube translates his hitting to international that ll be a huge bonus coz his hitting is certainely better then krunal , even though krunal bowling is miles ahead but this gives team n option to choose which ever area they wanna strengthen In squad (Bilateral series only) the all rounder options who can be kept for development purpose are Gowtham, Krunal P, Dubey and Shankar. Are we really goin to play developing players in playing 11 in T20i cup. We can go with tried and tested 5 specialist batsmen, H Pandya and 5 specialist bowlers. In T20 cup we need to go with best. If we don't have good all-rounder then play specialist. It's not mandatory that we have to play two or even one all rounder for sake of it and waste a spot. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, Straight Drive said: In squad (Bilateral series only) the all rounder options who can be kept for development purpose are Gowtham, Krunal P, Dubey and Shankar. Gowtham batting is far lesser then dubey, not good to bat in top 7 krunal- weak against pace shankar- only good for odi n test, not a t20 player as of now 3 minutes ago, Straight Drive said: Are we really goin to play developing players in playing 11 in T20i cup. if he does well it wont he wnt be developing he wud own a place n yes what wrong we kept playing developed players in t20 Wc for year that didnt work out well for us 3 minutes ago, Straight Drive said: We can go with tried and tested 5 specialist batsmen, H Pandya and 5 specialist bowlers. In T20 cup we need to go with best. If we don't have good all-rounder then play specialist. It's not mandatory that we have to play two or even one all rounder for sake of it and waste a spot. ur talking about only XI., m talking about backups n whole squad...this whole idea will go for a toss if hardik is injured We have enough specialist nyways which has made us one dimensional squad . Ppl can say all bits n pieces crap but Krunal won us a game overseas in NZ,WI,AUS in all those series Also Power hitting is a specialist job , dubey n pandya are specialist in that regard. U can consider someone like shubhman gill for that role Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 16 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Gowtham batting is far lesser then dubey, not good to bat in top 7 krunal- weak against pace shankar- only good for odi n test, not a t20 player as of now if he does well it wont he wnt be developing he wud own a place n yes what wrong we kept playing developed players in t20 Wc for year that didnt work out well for us ur talking about only XI., m talking about backups n whole squad...this whole idea will go for a toss if hardik is injured We have enough specialist nyways which has made us one dimensional squad . Ppl can say all bits n pieces crap but Krunal won us a game overseas in NZ,WI,AUS in all those series Also Power hitting is a specialist job , dubey n pandya are specialist in that regard. U can consider someone like shubhman gill for that role Haven't said Krunal is a bad option. The batting of Sharma, Rahul, Kohli, Pant, Iyer and Pandya has enough quality and lasting ability for T20 format. We need a potent bowling attack as well. Adding all rounder at 7 like Dubey has pros and cons. There is a cameo if he clicks in the batting innings but then the loss is that we lose playing a proper wicket taking bowler. Can't rely on 4 spepeecialist bowlers and then 4 overs to come from Pandya and Dubey. I would rather have 5 specialist bowlers and only if needed maybe throw the odd over or two to Pandya and see how it goes. With Pant and Hardik who are all roounders in a sense, do we really need to add another all rounder. Why can't we go with specialist bowler. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 34 minutes ago, Straight Drive said: Haven't said Krunal is a bad option. I was just giving an example of how misused the word bits n pieces is 34 minutes ago, Straight Drive said: The batting of Sharma, Rahul, Kohli, Pant, Iyer and Pandya has enough quality and lasting ability for T20 format. Then why are we still not doing well in t20s .....we miss players at bottom who can do icing on cake n let top order play freely 34 minutes ago, Straight Drive said: \We need a potent bowling attack as well. We already have that 34 minutes ago, Straight Drive said: Adding all rounder at 7 like Dubey has pros and cons. He wont be added straighaway he shud be an option with krunal Krunal is a better bowler, dube better batsman Whatever the need is we shud play that ( only once dube does well) 34 minutes ago, Straight Drive said: There is a cameo if he clicks in the batting innings but then the loss is that we lose playing a proper wicket taking bowler. Can't rely on 4 spepeecialist bowlers and then 4 overs to come from Pandya and Dubey. We also have to look at in a way that what if hardik remains injured , we wont have any power hitter at 6 n 7 then So dubey is very essential to be prep as backup Link to comment
Suhaan Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 5 hours ago, tweaker said: As per report Royal Challengers Bangalore are set too release Shivam Dube Great news for Dube,need to come out of his(Virushka) demonic shadow Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 45 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: I was just giving an example of how misused the word bits n pieces is Then why are we still not doing well in t20s .....we miss players at bottom who can do icing on cake n let top order play freely We already have that He wont be added straighaway he shud be an option with krunal Krunal is a better bowler, dube better batsman Whatever the need is we shud play that ( only once dube does well) We also have to look at in a way that what if hardik remains injured , we wont have any power hitter at 6 n 7 then So dubey is very essential to be prep as backup Can't pin point reason why we have failed to win T20i cup since 2007 instead of the fact that we since then have best T20 tournament in the world (IPL). Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, Straight Drive said: Can't pin point reason why we have failed to win T20i cup since 2007 instead of the fact that we since then have best T20 tournament in the world (IPL). a lot of reason- same team playing odi was playing t20.... same batting order ,same bowler, same apporach.... post yuvi n raina decline lack of power hitters became a problem, dhoni was never good in t20 as player bowlers- we had bumrah only in last t20 Wc. Zak, pk didnt work well...rp n irfan didnt do well post 1st t20Wc.....bhajji wasnt taking wkts, when we had jadeja he was never a good t20 player Dhawan n rohit hasnt showed up in last 3 t20Wc as openers in last 2-3 t20 Wc it was one man show- kohli Lack of impact player like power hitters, death bowlers was a huge reason Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 21 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: a lot of reason- same team playing odi was playing t20.... same batting order ,same bowler, same apporach.... post yuvi n raina decline lack of power hitters became a problem, dhoni was never good in t20 as player bowlers- we had bumrah only in last t20 Wc. Zak, pk didnt work well...rp n irfan didnt do well post 1st t20Wc.....bhajji wasnt taking wkts, when we had jadeja he was never a good t20 player Dhawan n rohit hasnt showed up in last 3 t20Wc as openers in last 2-3 t20 Wc it was one man show- kohli Lack of impact player like power hitters, death bowlers was a huge reason Yuvi, Rohit, Dhoni, Kohli, Yusuf Pathan, Raina could clear the ropes on any ground. In T20 the ropes are at even lesser distance. Have too say we lack a player like Russell. Link to comment
Khota Posted October 29, 2019 Author Share Posted October 29, 2019 Yuvi and Raina names keep on popping up but they were solid specialist batsman. Dubey is not and as a bowler he is iffy at best. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Straight Drive said: Yuvi, Rohit, Dhoni, Kohli, Yusuf Pathan, Raina could clear the ropes on any ground. In T20 the ropes are at even lesser distance. Have too say we lack a player like Russell. Kohli plays a safe game n mostly accelrates in end Dhoni takes it till end till its too lat Yuvi had a decline from 3rd t20 wc and it never ended Yusuf was just a spinner basher whom even spinners figured out Raina decline also came Rohit didnt do well in last 3 t20Wc We also had dhawan n jadeja who were never good in t20s We never clicked as unit. Biggest problem has been approach ...our top 3 plays till end which has given pandya not much time to bat only. If we get one more hopefully top 3 can bat ore freely Edited October 29, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Kohli plays a safe game n mostly accelrates in end Dhoni takes it till end till its too lat Yuvi had a decline from 3rd t20 wc and it never ended Yusuf was just a spinner basher whom even spinners figured out Raina decline also came Rohit didnt do well in last 3 t20Wc We also had dhawan n jadeja who were never good in t20s We never clicked as unit. Biggest problem has been approach ...our top 3 plays till end which has given pandya not much time to bat only. If we get one more hopefully top 3 can bat ore freely Can't debate much with the reasons mentioned in this post. Good one. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 5:45 PM, Ankit_sharma03 said: IF imran khan own perfomance is taken out he avg below 30 till 50 test with bat With ball 40 till 10th test So he himself was not good enough at anything when he came on, No all rounder comes full ready made world class.... all rounders takes time evolve and get better Imran was never a proper alrounder. When he was a good bowler, his batting was not good. When he started batting well, his bowling went down. Link to comment
Khota Posted November 3, 2019 Author Share Posted November 3, 2019 Yes he is another Railu Katta along with Pandya brothers. Link to comment
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