Jump to content
Khota

Is Shivam Dubey Another Railu Katta

Recommended Posts

In case if folks don't know the meaning of the term a Railu Katta is an allrounder who is not good at anything. It is a calf that goes around unsure of its job. Imran Khan used this term to define the current all rounders.

Share this post


Link to post

IF imran khan own perfomance is taken out 

he avg below 30 till 50 test with bat 

With ball 40 till 10th test 

 

So he himself was not good enough at anything when he came on, No all rounder comes full ready made world class.... all rounders takes time evolve and get better 

 

Share this post


Link to post

About Shivam dubey 

He is a specialist power hitter- its a specialist job in LOI.....ppl who dont understand modern cricket wont understand this role.

 

Bowling- He bowls as well but his bowling isnt good enough for international level at best shud be relied for max 5 overs so he can be 6th bowler but not 5th

 

Batting- his biggest plus point is his power hitting which is why he is in team since hardik isnt their and we need such players in lower order. Now is his batting good enough at international remains to be seen 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post

I guess being at the right place at the right times matter a lot more than actually being a good cricketer be it as a batsman or a bowler.

 

I guess let us get rid of all good batsmen and bowlers and focus on players such as these.

 

Not international level. Cannon fodder bowling and will not last against international bowlers especially anyone who can bowl over 135

Share this post


Link to post
3 hours ago, maniac said:

I guess being at the right place at the right times matter a lot more than actually being a good cricketer be it as a batsman or a bowler.

 

I guess let us get rid of all good batsmen and bowlers and focus on players such as these.

 

Not international level. Cannon fodder bowling and will not last against international bowlers especially anyone who can bowl over 135

That is what I was afraid of. Another wasted slot. 

Share this post


Link to post
4 hours ago, maniac said:

I guess being at the right place at the right times matter a lot more than actually being a good cricketer be it as a batsman or a bowler.

 

I guess let us get rid of all good batsmen and bowlers and focus on players such as these.

 

Not international level. Cannon fodder bowling and will not last against international bowlers especially anyone who can bowl over 135

We cant just look at the word batsman n bowler alone. 

 

batsman n bowlers also have types like 

batsman- someone who can anchor, grafter, power hitter

bowler- worhorse, attacking, 5th , 6th bowlers

 

We have no shortage of batsman who can bat in top 3 problem starts after that .....yuvi, dhoni, raina did a gr8 job for year and it was never an easy role. 

this guy fits under power hitter category.......now how good is he at international remains to be seen but till now his consistency at domestic n A level has been phenomenal and Indian team needs power hitter in lower middler order. We have serious issue their as we dont have many options for that role.

 

Hardik - best option but is struggling with injury for an year n so 

DK- such is the state that this guy is 2nd in list .....and he cant bowl or field, consistency is not there....only good for 1 situation

Raina- done n dusted

Krunal- extremely weak against fast bowling

Jadeja- Still have to play more innings like semi final

 

We wont find it unless we try

Share this post


Link to post

Shivam Dubey ji if properly groomed should be our once in a gen player like Yuvraj Singh. 

I hope he's taken good care of.

Also, Railu katta means railway track in Telugu.. so I was wondering why that comparison here 

Edited by Vk1

Share this post


Link to post
4 hours ago, Vk1 said:

Shivam Dubey ji if properly groomed should be our once in a gen player like Yuvraj Singh. 

I hope he's taken good care of.

Also, Railu katta means railway track in Telugu.. so I was wondering why that comparison here 

See the top post.

Share this post


Link to post
5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

We cant just look at the word batsman n bowler alone. 

 

batsman n bowlers also have types like 

batsman- someone who can anchor, grafter, power hitter

bowler- worhorse, attacking, 5th , 6th bowlers

 

We have no shortage of batsman who can bat in top 3 problem starts after that .....yuvi, dhoni, raina did a gr8 job for year and it was never an easy role. 

this guy fits under power hitter category.......now how good is he at international remains to be seen but till now his consistency at domestic n A level has been phenomenal and Indian team needs power hitter in lower middler order. We have serious issue their as we dont have many options for that role.

 

Hardik - best option but is struggling with injury for an year n so 

DK- such is the state that this guy is 2nd in list .....and he cant bowl or field, consistency is not there....only good for 1 situation

Raina- done n dusted

Krunal- extremely weak against fast bowling

Jadeja- Still have to play more innings like semi final

 

We wont find it unless we try

See a pattern there? None of them were “specialist allrounders” or bits and pieces players. 2 proper extremely talented batsmen who can be more than handy with the ball and the other a proper frontline keeper.


anyway it’s only T20 so who cares but sad that such thrash gets picked over actual proper talent.

 

Share this post


Link to post
2 hours ago, maniac said:

See a pattern there? None of them were “specialist allrounders” or bits and pieces players. 2 proper extremely talented batsmen who can be more than handy with the ball and the other a proper frontline keeper.


anyway it’s only T20 so who cares but sad that such thrash gets picked over actual proper talent.

 

Dubey, Pandya A and B, Shankars these are all destined to fail but I give them credit for keep on trying.

Share this post


Link to post
6 hours ago, maniac said:

See a pattern there? None of them were “specialist allrounders” or bits and pieces players.

Despite being specialist yuvraj n raina were extremely inconsistent at start of career

Most all rounder will look bits n pieces if u take out their initial career perfomances. In t20 u need multi dimension players.

Dube has done extremely as batsman only in domestic n A games ........even i have my doubts about him against pace in international cricket but that has been a case with few rayudu was last xample of it despite being a specialist .

 

Just becoz a player has extra skill we shudnt look down upon him. He has earned his chance 

 

6 hours ago, maniac said:

2 proper extremely talented batsmen who can be more than handy with the ball and the other a proper frontline keeper.

Raina n yuvi bowling became useful a lot later in their career and became consistent also quite late......infact raina never became consistent i think . 

 

Share this post


Link to post
1 hour ago, Straight Drive said:

He does not seems to be ready for international level but has to pick up fast as he is already 26 and an all rounder shelf life is relatively lesser.

he has done everything to earn a place.....in what way is he not ready

Yes i have my doubts about against pace but if he has that issue i doubt it ll improve that easy

Share this post


Link to post
51 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

He does not seems to be ready for international level but has to pick up fast as he is already 26 and an all rounder shelf life is relatively lesser.

Two solid FC seasons with both bat and ball, consistent performances for the A side away from home in both FC and List A matches, a solid VZ trophy. Not sure why you would say he's not ready. Is a power hitter and can bowl 130k (have seen him bowl 127-128 kmph on domestic speed guns in FC matches), He's a late bloomer and has earned his spot. Only place where he missed was IPL. But that can be excused as playing under Kohli at that franchise is never easy, all they care about is their superstars and have always mismanaged younger players.

 

Good for him that he's making his debut under Rohit.

 

We have too many one dimensional players in our LOI sides. Need to keep giving opportunities to any talented player who does decently with both bat and ball. 

Share this post


Link to post
2 hours ago, tweaker said:

As per report Royal Challengers Bangalore are set too release Shivam Dube

And the Bangalore-based outfit reportedly had enough of the allrounder as they wanted to trade him with another franchise. As per report, Royal Challengers Bangalore were all set to release Shivam Dube before his performance for India A and Mumbai made them change their decision.

 

Link - https://cricketaddictor.com/cricket/royal-challengers-bangalore-were-set-to-release-shivam-dube-report/

 

Too bad for him they changed their mind 

Share this post


Link to post
53 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

he has done everything to earn a place.....in what way is he not ready

Yes i have my doubts about against pace but if he has that issue i doubt it ll improve that easy

He needs to improve his bowling. The quality of batsmen and bolwers you play against in Ranji Trophy and at international level is very different.  Being very specific he cannot be one of the 5 bowlers at all even in T20 format. In IPL he flopped and I guess he did not even bowl 2 overs per match on average, did he ?. He lacks swing and bowls at very dibbly dobbly pace  His defense as batsman will not stand much against international bowlers.  At the moment his game is one dimensional with him being good at hitting. There is more to batting than just tonking the ball. He will have to prove he can pace the batting innings as well. His IPL performance too was not good.  I feel he needs a massive improvement in developing himself to fit international level.

Edited by Straight Drive

Share this post


Link to post
1 minute ago, Straight Drive said:

He needs to improve his bowling. The quality of batsmen and bolwers you play against in Ranji Trophy and at international level is very different.  Being very specific he cannot be one of the 5 bowlers at all even in T20 format.

yup i already mentioned above that he is not a 5th but a 6th bowler 

It isnt only ranji he has done great in A-games as well 

1 minute ago, Straight Drive said:

In IPL he flopped and I guess he did not even bowl 2 overs per match on average, did he ?.

IPL was due to RCB.....we all saw how RCB managed him 

1 minute ago, Straight Drive said:

He lacks swing and bowls at very dibbly dobbly pace  His defense as batsman will not stand much against international bowlers.  At the moment his game is one dimensional with him being good at hitting. There is more to batting than just tonking the ball.

If anything he is mature and does finish innings with bat

In t20 at 6-7 , hitting is very vey important 

1 minute ago, Straight Drive said:

He will have to prove he can pace the batting innings as well. His IPL performance too was not good.  I feel he needs a massive improvement in developing himself to fit international level.

Against pace even i wanna see how he dos 

Improving anyways will happen the more he plays 

Share this post


Link to post
13 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Two solid FC seasons with both bat and ball, consistent performances for the A side away from home in both FC and List A matches, a solid VZ trophy. Not sure why you would say he's not ready. Is a power hitter and can bowl 130k (have seen him bowl 127-128 kmph on domestic speed guns in FC matches), He's a late bloomer and has earned his spot. Only place where he missed was IPL. But that can be excused as playing under Kohli at that franchise is never easy, all they care about is their superstars and have always mismanaged younger players.

 

Good for him that he's making his debut under Rohit.

 

We have too many one dimensional players in our LOI sides. Need to keep giving opportunities to any talented player who does decently with both bat and ball. 

We can have better players than him in T20 side. Why waste a place on him.

Share this post


Link to post
8 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yup i already mentioned above that he is not a 5th but a 6th bowler 

It isnt only ranji he has done great in A-games as well 

IPL was due to RCB.....we all saw how RCB managed him 

If anything he is mature and does finish innings with bat

In t20 at 6-7 , hitting is very vey important 

Against pace even i wanna see how he dos 

Improving anyways will happen the more he plays 

Virat Kohli is not a good man-manager and I agree about that. However, let's not blame bad performance of every underperforming RCB player on Kohli. The players have to introspect their failures to improve themselves

Share this post


Link to post
1 minute ago, Straight Drive said:

Virat Kohli is not a good man-manager and I agree about that. However, let's not blame bad performance of every underperforming RCB player on Kohli. The players have to introspect their failures to improve themselves

how will he perform he didnt get chances.....player who bat at 6 7 will rarely get a chance to bat then if u give them 2-3 games their perfomances cant be judged at all . He only got 4 games in IPL....cant judge any youngster properly under kohli as he doesnt give a secure environment to them

 

how is the same guy so good in Ranji n A level in all formats .....he played A games in WI and at home Against Sa which had good bowlers 

Share this post


Link to post
1 minute ago, Straight Drive said:

Rahul

Rohit Sharma

Virat Kohli

Rishabh Pant

Shreyas Iyer

Hardik Pandya

+ 5 specialist bowlers.

 

those are top order batsman above hardik , iyer is also best kept at 4 not the kind of batsman who needs to be pushed down

Hardik is injured ......n backups need to be prep for him . Its not only about XI ....we need to have a 15 n squad . 

We need options for slot 6 n 7.....even if hardik is fit its always good to have backups ready and if dube translates his hitting to international that ll be a huge bonus coz his hitting is certainely better then krunal , even though krunal bowling is miles ahead but this gives team n option to choose which ever area they wanna strengthen 

Share this post


Link to post
18 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

those are top order batsman above hardik , iyer is also best kept at 4 not the kind of batsman who needs to be pushed down

Hardik is injured ......n backups need to be prep for him . Its not only about XI ....we need to have a 15 n squad . 

We need options for slot 6 n 7.....even if hardik is fit its always good to have backups ready and if dube translates his hitting to international that ll be a huge bonus coz his hitting is certainely better then krunal , even though krunal bowling is miles ahead but this gives team n option to choose which ever area they wanna strengthen 

In squad (Bilateral series only) the all rounder options who can be kept for development purpose are Gowtham, Krunal P, Dubey and Shankar.  Are we really goin to play developing players in playing 11 in T20i cup. We can go with tried and tested 5 specialist batsmen, H Pandya  and 5 specialist bowlers. In T20 cup we need to go with best. If we don't have good all-rounder then play specialist. It's not mandatory that we have to play two or even one all rounder for sake of it and waste a spot.

Share this post


Link to post
3 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

In squad (Bilateral series only) the all rounder options who can be kept for development purpose are Gowtham, Krunal P, Dubey and Shankar.

Gowtham batting is far lesser then dubey, not good to bat in top 7

krunal- weak against pace

shankar- only good for odi n test, not a t20 player as of now

3 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

  Are we really goin to play developing players in playing 11 in T20i cup.

if he does well it wont he wnt be developing he wud own a place

n yes what wrong we kept playing developed players in t20 Wc for year that didnt work out well for us

3 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

We can go with tried and tested 5 specialist batsmen, H Pandya  and 5 specialist bowlers. In T20 cup we need to go with best. If we don't have good all-rounder then play specialist. It's not mandatory that we have to play two or even one all rounder for sake of it and waste a spot.

ur talking about only XI., m talking about backups n whole squad...this whole idea will go for a toss if hardik is injured 

We have enough specialist nyways which has made us one dimensional squad . Ppl can say all bits n pieces crap but Krunal won us a game overseas in NZ,WI,AUS in all those series 

 

Also Power hitting is a specialist job , dubey n pandya are specialist in that regard. U can consider someone like shubhman gill for that role 

Share this post


Link to post
16 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Gowtham batting is far lesser then dubey, not good to bat in top 7

krunal- weak against pace

shankar- only good for odi n test, not a t20 player as of now

if he does well it wont he wnt be developing he wud own a place

n yes what wrong we kept playing developed players in t20 Wc for year that didnt work out well for us

ur talking about only XI., m talking about backups n whole squad...this whole idea will go for a toss if hardik is injured 

We have enough specialist nyways which has made us one dimensional squad . Ppl can say all bits n pieces crap but Krunal won us a game overseas in NZ,WI,AUS in all those series 

 

Also Power hitting is a specialist job , dubey n pandya are specialist in that regard. U can consider someone like shubhman gill for that role 

Haven't said Krunal is a bad option.  The batting of Sharma, Rahul, Kohli, Pant, Iyer and Pandya has enough quality and lasting ability for T20 format. We need a potent bowling attack as well. Adding all rounder at 7 like Dubey has pros and cons. There is a cameo if he clicks in the batting innings but then the loss is that we lose playing a proper wicket taking bowler. Can't rely on 4 spepeecialist bowlers and then 4 overs to come from Pandya and Dubey. I would rather have 5 specialist bowlers and only if needed maybe throw the odd over or two to Pandya and see how it goes. With Pant and Hardik who are all roounders in a sense, do we really need to add another all rounder. Why can't we go with specialist bowler.

Share this post


Link to post
34 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Haven't said Krunal is a bad option. 

I was just giving an example of how misused the word bits n pieces is 

34 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

The batting of Sharma, Rahul, Kohli, Pant, Iyer and Pandya has enough quality and lasting ability for T20 format.

Then why are we still not doing well in t20s .....we miss players at bottom who can do icing on cake n let top order play freely 

34 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

\We need a potent bowling attack as well.

We already have that

34 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Adding all rounder at 7 like Dubey has pros and cons.

He wont be added straighaway 

he shud be an option with krunal

Krunal is a better bowler, dube better batsman

Whatever the need is we shud play that ( only once dube does well)

34 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

There is a cameo if he clicks in the batting innings but then the loss is that we lose playing a proper wicket taking bowler. Can't rely on 4 spepeecialist bowlers and then 4 overs to come from Pandya and Dubey.

We also have to look at in a way that what if hardik remains injured , we wont have any power hitter at 6 n 7 then

So dubey is very essential to be prep as backup

 

Share this post


Link to post
45 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

I was just giving an example of how misused the word bits n pieces is 

Then why are we still not doing well in t20s .....we miss players at bottom who can do icing on cake n let top order play freely 

We already have that

He wont be added straighaway 

he shud be an option with krunal

Krunal is a better bowler, dube better batsman

Whatever the need is we shud play that ( only once dube does well)

We also have to look at in a way that what if hardik remains injured , we wont have any power hitter at 6 n 7 then

So dubey is very essential to be prep as backup

 

Can't pin point reason why we have failed to win T20i cup since 2007 instead of the fact that we since then have best T20 tournament in the world (IPL).

Share this post


Link to post
5 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Can't pin point reason why we have failed to win T20i cup since 2007 instead of the fact that we since then have best T20 tournament in the world (IPL).

a lot of reason-

  • same team playing odi was playing t20....
  • same batting order ,same bowler,  same apporach....
  • post yuvi n raina decline lack of power hitters became a problem, dhoni was never good in t20 as player
  • bowlers- we had bumrah only in last t20 Wc. Zak, pk didnt work well...rp n irfan didnt do well post 1st t20Wc.....bhajji wasnt taking wkts, when we had jadeja he was never a good t20 player
  • Dhawan n rohit hasnt showed up in last 3 t20Wc as openers 
  • in last 2-3 t20 Wc it was one man show- kohli 

 

Lack of impact player like power hitters, death bowlers was a huge reason

 

Share this post


Link to post
21 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

a lot of reason-

  • same team playing odi was playing t20....
  • same batting order ,same bowler,  same apporach....
  • post yuvi n raina decline lack of power hitters became a problem, dhoni was never good in t20 as player
  • bowlers- we had bumrah only in last t20 Wc. Zak, pk didnt work well...rp n irfan didnt do well post 1st t20Wc.....bhajji wasnt taking wkts, when we had jadeja he was never a good t20 player
  • Dhawan n rohit hasnt showed up in last 3 t20Wc as openers 
  • in last 2-3 t20 Wc it was one man show- kohli 

 

Lack of impact player like power hitters, death bowlers was a huge reason

 

Yuvi, Rohit, Dhoni, Kohli, Yusuf Pathan, Raina could clear the ropes on any ground. In T20 the ropes are at even lesser distance.

 

Have too say we lack a player like Russell.

Share this post


Link to post
25 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Yuvi, Rohit, Dhoni, Kohli, Yusuf Pathan, Raina could clear the ropes on any ground. In T20 the ropes are at even lesser distance.

 

Have too say we lack a player like Russell.

Kohli plays a safe game n mostly accelrates in end

Dhoni takes it till end till its too lat

Yuvi had a decline from 3rd t20 wc and it never ended

Yusuf was just a spinner basher whom even spinners figured out 

Raina decline also came

Rohit didnt do well in last 3 t20Wc 

 

We also had dhawan n jadeja who were never good in t20s

 

We never clicked as unit. Biggest problem has been approach ...our top 3 plays till end which has given pandya not much time to bat only. If we get one more hopefully top 3 can bat ore freely 

Edited by Ankit_sharma03

Share this post


Link to post
8 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Kohli plays a safe game n mostly accelrates in end

Dhoni takes it till end till its too lat

Yuvi had a decline from 3rd t20 wc and it never ended

Yusuf was just a spinner basher whom even spinners figured out 

Raina decline also came

Rohit didnt do well in last 3 t20Wc 

 

We also had dhawan n jadeja who were never good in t20s

 

We never clicked as unit. Biggest problem has been approach ...our top 3 plays till end which has given pandya not much time to bat only. If we get one more hopefully top 3 can bat ore freely 

Can't debate much with the reasons mentioned in this post. Good one.

Share this post


Link to post
On 10/28/2019 at 5:45 PM, Ankit_sharma03 said:

IF imran khan own perfomance is taken out 

he avg below 30 till 50 test with bat 

With ball 40 till 10th test 

 

So he himself was not good enough at anything when he came on, No all rounder comes full ready made world class.... all rounders takes time evolve and get better 

 

Imran was never a proper alrounder. When he was a good bowler, his batting was not good. When he started batting well, his bowling went down.

Share this post


Link to post
1 minute ago, Ajju said:

What is Railu Katta

looks like our telugu word but not understanding

 

In case if folks don't know the meaning of the term a Railu Katta is an allrounder who is not good at anything. It is a calf that goes around unsure of its job. Imran Khan used this term to define the current all rounders.

Share this post


Link to post
21 minutes ago, Ajju said:

What is Railu Katta

looks like our telugu word but not understanding

Katta is the Punjabi word for calf. Railu probably means "chain free". So, railu katta is a chain free calf that is wandering here and there and do not know to how to reach home by itself. Imran Khan, who knows about what an allrounder truly is and what today's so called "allrounders" are probably was taking a dig by comparing the current ones to Railu kattas. 

 

In Telugu, Railu Katta probably means the elevated platform of gravel and sand that is laid out for laying train tracks. It has nothing to do with what Imran Khan meant here. 

Edited by sarcastic

Share this post


Link to post



Katta is the Punjabi word for calf. Railu probably means "chain free". So, railu katta is a chain free calf that is wandering here and there and do not know to how to reach home by itself. Imran Khan, who knows about what an allrounder truly is and what today's so called "allrounders" are probably was taking a dig by comparing the current ones to Railu kattas. 
 
In Telugu, Railu Katta probably means the elevated platform of gravel and sand that is laid out for laying train tracks. It has nothing to do with what Imran Khan meant here. 


Thanks for explaining that. I was wondering why compare to a railway platform. [emoji51]

Sent from my Redmi Note 4 using Tapatalk

Share this post


Link to post
12 hours ago, rangeelaraja said:

shame on you morons....freely using a word coined by a filthy rabid gay druggie from Napakistan...as it it were a regular lexicon

We are quoting him in a very specific instance. Not all the time.

Share this post


Link to post

Dubey is the definition of bits and pieces player , maybe odis is not right for him, his bat will be needed only once in ten matches but he needs to bowl his overs every match.

 

People who use examples of England's allrounders Stokes, Woakes and Ali, they all are far better bowlers and batsmen than this guy.NZ's de Grandhomme is also far better bowler than this guy.WI had 7 bowlers in last match.

 

You don't have to be Richard Hadlee with ball but you need to be able to hold your own to bowl atleast 7 to 8 overs every match.

 

The problem is in odis you need 6 bowling options minimum and 7 to be covering all bases in all situations.Dubey is not the answer for anything but do we have any choice.

Edited by putrevus

Share this post


Link to post

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...