Singh bling Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/shiv-sena-flexes-muscle-claims-support-of-170-mlas/articleshow/71876187.cms Looks like This time Shiv Sena is not going to back down on CM demand. speedheat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Shiv Sena only knows blackmail and goonda politics no other. beetle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangeelaraja Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Shiv Sena is among the more under-recognizaed third rate political parties in India. These so call " Shivaji" Sainiks show their power by mobbing up against and attacking hardworking migrant workers from North India. These so called "Shivaji" Sainiks are actually third rate cowards did not come out of their holes when 26/11 happened and 10 terrorists held Mumbai to ransom. They show bahaduri only against unarmed migrants. These Shiv Sena thugs have done ZILCH for the development of Mumbai despite controlling BMC that has an annual budget over 5 billion dollars What Shiv Sena has done is ensured that BJP will in future fully annihilate Shiv Sena in Maharashtra and leave it in the same destitute state as MNS run by that other goonda Raj Thackeray. raki05 and sandeep 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted November 3, 2019 Author Share Posted November 3, 2019 BJP committed big mistake by allying with Sena . Without Sena they could have 130-140 mark and would have been forming Govt easily raki05 and beetle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Let the snakes ally with the corrupt antinational ncp. People will make them completely irrelevant next time. Bjp should sit in the opposition rather than make govt with these gundas. speedheat and Yoda-esque 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 7 hours ago, Singh bling said: BJP committed big mistake by allying with Sena . Without Sena they could have 130-140 mark and would have been forming Govt easily Thankfully they didnt follow such advice. Without the alliance, both BJP & Sena individually suffered huge losses against combined NCP + Congress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted November 4, 2019 Author Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 hours ago, someone said: Thankfully they didnt follow such advice. Without the alliance, both BJP & Sena individually suffered huge losses against combined NCP + Congress. Not true BJP's strike rate was 67%. With phadnavas popularity and lack of option by sena there was good chance BJP eating into Sena votes. Shiv Sena's demand is very unfair for CM ship as they won almost half seats of BJP. Yet they are showing their arrogance. You just cannot allies with these type of parties. raki05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollack Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 11 hours ago, rangeelaraja said: Shiv Sena is among the more under-recognizaed third rate political parties in India. These so call " Shivaji" Sainiks show their power by mobbing up against and attacking hardworking migrant workers from North India. These so called "Shivaji" Sainiks are actually third rate cowards did not come out of their holes when 26/11 happened and 10 terrorists held Mumbai to ransom. They show bahaduri only against unarmed migrants. These Shiv Sena thugs have done ZILCH for the development of Mumbai despite controlling BMC that has an annual budget over 5 billion dollars What Shiv Sena has done is ensured that BJP will in future fully annihilate Shiv Sena in Maharashtra and leave it in the same destitute state as MNS run by that other goonda Raj Thackeray. Your post is inaccurate. Shivsena did not attack migrants, it was MNS. Regarding hard working north Indians, who asked them to work so hard? Actually, they are the reason for labour exploitation. They are willing to work at grossly underpaid salaries since they mostly stay alone here with their families usually at native place probably earning through farming as well. While a native resident from Maharashtra need to feed his family staying here with high cost of living. He will obviously not be willing to work at salary which wouldn't even feed one person. You need to look at it from others perspective too. Everything is not about hate and love, north and south. Economics and a man's need to feed his belly is the cause for most of the issues. Stan AF and tweaker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollack Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 10 hours ago, Singh bling said: BJP committed big mistake by allying with Sena . Without Sena they could have 130-140 mark and would have been forming Govt easily No BJP-Shivsena alliance means NCPs gain. Anyway it doesn't really matter if it's BJP, Shivsena, NCP or Congress. They are all the same. Don't think any party has ever significantly done great for Maharashtra. Any party's rule is almost similar. G_B_ and Stan AF 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted November 4, 2019 Author Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Pollack said: Your post is inaccurate. Shivsena did not attack migrants, it was MNS. Regarding hard working north Indians, who asked them to work so hard? Actually, they are the reason for labour exploitation. They are willing to work at grossly underpaid salaries since they mostly stay alone here with their families usually at native place probably earning through farming as well. While a native resident from Maharashtra need to feed his family staying here with high cost of living. He will obviously not be willing to work at salary which wouldn't even feed one person. You need to look at it from others perspective too. Everything is not about hate and love, north and south. Economics and a man's need to feed his belly is the cause for most of the issues. As long India stands as a Single nation , people from poor part will migrate to industrialized parts of nation which results in reduction of salaries for locals. If anybody is not happy with this then he/she should demand separation from India. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted November 4, 2019 Author Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Pollack said: No BJP-Shivsena alliance means NCPs gain. Anyway it doesn't really matter if it's BJP, Shivsena, NCP or Congress. They are all the same. Don't think any party has ever significantly done great for Maharashtra. Any party's rule is almost similar. Well people have to one out of four of these parties for stable Government o/w it will be presidential rule as other parties are insignificant. Also in Elections 1+1 does not always mean 2. BJP had popular face phadnavis as CM and quite possible BJP could had secure majority on its own as people prefer not to waste their vote. Shiv Sena even with BJP did not do well in Elections. By allying with Sena what options are now With BJP. Bowing to their demand of giving up on CM ship despite having almost twice the number of seats.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 BJP lost heavily in Viderbha, a place where Shiv sena has the lowest presence and was not a factor and is their stronghold. Tells you all you need to know if BJP had gone alone. Some of the post here are wide off the mark and show a lack of basic understanding of Maharashtra politics. NCP and Congress be it in alliance or fighting alone cumulatively have ranged between 33 to 37% of the vote for the past 20 years. Ie they are quite consistent in what they get. No even with smaller allies the BJP would not have been able to get 144. Gollum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 14 hours ago, rangeelaraja said: Shiv Sena is among the more under-recognizaed third rate political parties in India. These so call " Shivaji" Sainiks show their power by mobbing up against and attacking hardworking migrant workers from North India. These so called "Shivaji" Sainiks are actually third rate cowards did not come out of their holes when 26/11 happened and 10 terrorists held Mumbai to ransom. They show bahaduri only against unarmed migrants. These Shiv Sena thugs have done ZILCH for the development of Mumbai despite controlling BMC that has an annual budget over 5 billion dollars What Shiv Sena has done is ensured that BJP will in future fully annihilate Shiv Sena in Maharashtra and leave it in the same destitute state as MNS run by that other goonda Raj Thackeray. Lets see, 5 billion divided by 12.5 million people works out to $400 per capita per year. (the actual budget is 4.5 billion but lets gloss over that) Despite all the courruption, there is no way the BMC can "develop" mumbai on such low figures. The agency responsible for development is MMDRA (controlled by CM). BMC at best maintains things. With regards to unarmed migrants. It seems that you are mindfully unaware of 1992.....or Bhiwandi before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 The shiv sena is also just bluster really. Mostly they will settle for BJP giving them finance revenue etc in addition to industries and pwd. Furthermore they want BJP to back off in the BMC. Should be done so long as MMDRA is with BJP. They were forced into this when the BJP told them they were not getting finance, revenue, home, urban development. So what remained for them was just industries and pwd. I.e it was just scraps. So if your offered next to nothing , whats the point. The truth is the BJP should have realized their hand was weakened compared to last time. Should have got to the negotiation table and given them finance and revenue. The NCP who had 58 seats (2 more than sena this time) in 1999 had a lot more including deputy CM and home. There is very much a degree of arrogance within the state BJP. JJP a party with 10 seats in Haryana was offered deputy CM. Compared to that Sena who were in a pre poll alliance were given nothing really. The very genesis of the Sena becoming bitter v the BJP was that the BJP kept them out of any sort of power in 2014. A lot of BJP leaders claim that Sena was poor at governance in 1995 to 1999. The same people forget that onion mismanagement by ABV gov hit the likes of Nashik hard which lead to the loss in northern maharashtra. They also forget that in 1999 when the loss happened Maharashtra was an rural majority state. It is now an urban majority state. These urban centres will act as a firewall in even the next election cycle so long as BJP and Sena ally. Gollum and sandeep 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted November 4, 2019 Author Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, G_B_ said: They were forced into this when the BJP told them they were not getting finance, revenue, home, urban development. So what remained for them was just industries and pwd. I.e it was just scraps. So if your offered next to nothing , whats the point. This time BJP is offering deputy CM ship and lots of ministries but Sena is not backing down on 50:50 formula. The latest news coming on TV is It is unacceptable for BJP and they are not forming Government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 25 minutes ago, Singh bling said: This time BJP is offering deputy CM ship and lots of ministries but Sena is not backing down on 50:50 formula. The latest news coming on TV is It is unacceptable for BJP and they are not forming Government. Which ministries? They were offering plenty of ministers of state and not cabinet ministries. In 2014 many sena ministers of state threatened to resign as bjp cabinet ministers did not keep them in the loop The deputy cm is a useless post if not backed up by a powerful ministry. In bihar for eg sushil modi is deputy cm and finance min. The bjp's offer was effectively a sena person can be deputy cm in conjunction with pwd or industries. The truth is the opening gambit of the bjp was no big ministries. Rather it should have been we are negociable on big ministries but cm off the table. Rather for some bizzare reason bjp offered an extra cabinet berth in modi gov and 2 gov nominations. Both of them had low value for the sena given lack of real power. Gollum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Sena's demand is perplexing. In which world, a 114 seat party will let a 50 seat party have their CM. It's beyond logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted November 4, 2019 Author Share Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) 56 minutes ago, G_B_ said: Which ministries? They were offering plenty of ministers of state and not cabinet ministries. In 2014 many sena ministers of state threatened to resign as bjp cabinet ministers did not keep them in the loop According to Aaj tak BJP is offering deputy CM, finance , PWD and total of 14 ministries but still Sena is not backing down on 2.5 years CM demand. 2014 was different BJP and Sena fought independently and BJP had 125 seats . If you are closely following this you will know that fight is for rotational CM and not for ministries. On today BJP cancelled it's representative on Aaj Tak show 5 pm Dangal just before 5 minutes. This clearly shows that situation is now quite serious Edited November 4, 2019 by Singh bling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 3 hours ago, G_B_ said: The shiv sena is also just bluster really. Mostly they will settle for BJP giving them finance revenue etc in addition to industries and pwd. Furthermore they want BJP to back off in the BMC. Should be done so long as MMDRA is with BJP. They were forced into this when the BJP told them they were not getting finance, revenue, home, urban development. So what remained for them was just industries and pwd. I.e it was just scraps. So if your offered next to nothing , whats the point. The truth is the BJP should have realized their hand was weakened compared to last time. Should have got to the negotiation table and given them finance and revenue. The NCP who had 58 seats (2 more than sena this time) in 1999 had a lot more including deputy CM and home. There is very much a degree of arrogance within the state BJP. JJP a party with 10 seats in Haryana was offered deputy CM. Compared to that Sena who were in a pre poll alliance were given nothing really. The very genesis of the Sena becoming bitter v the BJP was that the BJP kept them out of any sort of power in 2014. A lot of BJP leaders claim that Sena was poor at governance in 1995 to 1999. The same people forget that onion mismanagement by ABV gov hit the likes of Nashik hard which lead to the loss in northern maharashtra. They also forget that in 1999 when the loss happened Maharashtra was an rural majority state. It is now an urban majority state. These urban centres will act as a firewall in even the next election cycle so long as BJP and Sena ally. Quality. Seems like you follow Maha politics in depth? G_B_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangeelaraja Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 10 hours ago, Pollack said: Your post is inaccurate. Shivsena did not attack migrants, it was MNS. Regarding hard working north Indians, who asked them to work so hard? Actually, they are the reason for labour exploitation. They are willing to work at grossly underpaid salaries since they mostly stay alone here with their families usually at native place probably earning through farming as well. While a native resident from Maharashtra need to feed his family staying here with high cost of living. He will obviously not be willing to work at salary which wouldn't even feed one person. You need to look at it from others perspective too. Everything is not about hate and love, north and south. Economics and a man's need to feed his belly is the cause for most of the issues. My friend @Pollack you are wrong on multiple accounts. Shiv Sena is 'original' anti-migrant party. Ever heard of " Lungi Hatao , Pungi Bajao" - yeah it was Shiv Sena's construct once upon a time against influx of South Indians migrants to Mumbai before they trained their guns on North Indians. (MNS = Shiv Sena's anti-migrant construct - Hindutva ) Just a few year back, they both attacked North Indians https://www.firstpost.com/india/shiv-sena-mns-workers-thrash-north-indian-migrants-in-kolhapur-1031111.html Secondly, I have lived in Maharashtra extensively for work and probably understand the cultural fabric alot more than you. Hundreds of thousands of these blue collar Marathi works are disgustingly lazy and have a terrible work ethic - this is especially true in rural Maharashtra, where these workers own agricultural ancestral land and their life doesn't depend on the job. Have lived in Pune for a few years and have seen this close up. You are also misinformed about this being about North Indians only. Most of the bai's in Mumbai are from South India. We have had South Indian bai's work for us as well as local Marathi. The local marathi bai's do 2 times the number of " khadas"/ skipping work compared to South Indians. This SOB Raj Thackeray once warned a medium size factory owner of violence just because he was sourcing workers from North India. The factory owner told him he will not hire North Indians if Raj Thackeray can provide 12,000 local workers for the labor job - Raj shut up after that. raki05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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