vayuu1 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 25 ss MLA in touch of BJP randomGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vayuu1 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Can't put it more aptly Sent from my vivo 1601 using Tapatalk Laaloo, mishra, someone and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chewy Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Looks like third sequel, after Bihar Part 1, Karnataka Part 2, this will probably last the shortest Common denominator has always been Congress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vayuu1 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Now Congress has come up with condition, no member of thackrey family will be CM Laaloo, randomGuy, speedheat and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vayuu1 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 governor calls for presidential rule. coffee_rules and randomGuy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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vayuu1 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Shivsena and Congress to challenge PR in SC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vayuu1 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Gabbar to samba :lagta hai Thackeray ne hijdo ki phauj jama kr rakhi hai. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 its the day Sena died... See bargaining with BJP is one thing. Joining Congress which you have a huge clash in ideology is another. Both Sena and Congress will face backlash in places like Marathwada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vayuu1 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Official now president rule president accepts the decision. randomGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 8 hours ago, vayuu1 said: Can't put it more aptly Sent from my vivo 1601 using Tapatalk By making SS resign from centre, NCP has already impregnated Sena. They have no option left but to marry and Convert diga, sergio04 and speedheat 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) the big question is when BJP themselves think of SS as a minor player, why would NCP/Con think otherwise? They dont have any leverage yet committed this blunder. Or does UT rather be a puppet of Sonia on a unholy alliance than play a secondary role in a friendly alliance with BJP? Edited November 12, 2019 by someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi B Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 20 hours ago, Mariyam said: Shiv Sena have shot themselves in the foot. They forgave all ideology and wanted support with the Congress. Thus alienating their most loyal voter base. They have to be a special degree of stupid to get reject by a post 2014 Congress. In Maharashtra, beggars (Congress) could be choosers after all. Congress appears to have come out stronger here. They didn't agree (yet) to support a party that they are ideologically opposed to. Yup actually in all of this SS have betrayed their core voters . What will they think now of SS ?never would the voters have thought of such a scenario ,no core supporter would ever want such an unholy alliance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 hour ago, someone said: the big question is when BJP themselves think of SS as a minor player, why would NCP/Con think otherwise? They dont have any leverage yet committed this blunder. Or does UT rather be a puppet of Sonia on a unholy alliance than play a secondary role in a friendly alliance with BJP? Its not so simple. As per the understanding between BJP and Sena. Sitting MLAs would retain their seat in seat sharing and the remaining seats would be split between allies. The problem with this was Sena would end up contesting 119-120 seats from 126 this time. Ie it was a slippery slope into a reduction in the amount of areas they contested. The BJP aware of this also got lot of people from Cong NCP to defect such that they told the Sena that they were sitting MLAs so had to be given the seat. This resulted in Sena contesting heavily dog **** seats which not even the BJP would have won. In the NCP Congress alliance for eg NCP though contests less seats, contests them in strongholds of Western Maharashtra. So while Congress contest more seats than NCP, the quality of seats of the NCP is quite good. So if you look at the standard deviation of the NCP in the amount of seats they have won its pretty low. Standard deviation of the Congress in Maharashtra in terms of seats won is high. So lets be honest here, the BJP too were slowly cutting the Sena down to size from within the NDA. The Sena have shot themselves in the foot. But the BJP are more than complicit in supplying the gun. By giving them virtually no role in government from 2014 to 2019 to contesting against the Sena in the BMC, the BJP's actions were against the very tenants of the Sena. What sena should have said is fresh elections if BJP wont give us key ministries. They took it too far when approaching the Congress. I think BJP supporters should acknowledge that Amit Shah is not exactly a straight shooter or a man of his word. In the 2014 Maharashtra elections BJP allies had a strike rate of 1 seat for 58 contested. So the bigger question needs to be asked is why are those who contest with the BJP in Maharashtra having such a poor strike rate. I am a BJP man. But when I asked those bashing the Sena on these issues they had no answers. Politics is seldom black or white. BJP too must accept that it takes two hands to clap... Stan AF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 So to sum up the situation from POV of the Sena The BJP is like a python slowly strangling them. NCP/Congress is like a cobra who can instantly kill them I suspect the Sena felt that they knew they would die with the python. Better try our luck with the cobra and see if we can survive by charming them Personally i feel the cobra will instantly kill them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 25 minutes ago, G_B_ said: Its not so simple. As per the understanding between BJP and Sena. Sitting MLAs would retain their seat in seat sharing and the remaining seats would be split between allies. The problem with this was Sena would end up contesting 119-120 seats from 126 this time. Ie it was a slippery slope into a reduction in the amount of areas they contested. The BJP aware of this also got lot of people from Cong NCP to defect such that they told the Sena that they were sitting MLAs so had to be given the seat. This resulted in Sena contesting heavily dog **** seats which not even the BJP would have won. So lets be honest here, the BJP too were slowly cutting the Sena down to size from within the NDA. The Sena have shot themselves in the foot. But the BJP are more than complicit in supplying the gun. By giving them virtually no role in government from 2014 to 2019 to contesting against the Sena in the BMC, the BJP's actions were against the very tenants of the Sena. What sena should have said is fresh elections if BJP wont give us key ministries. They took it too far when approaching the Congress. I think BJP supporters should acknowledge that Amit Shah is not exactly a straight shooter or a man of his word. In the 2014 Maharashtra elections BJP allies had a strike rate of 1 seat for 58 contested. So the bigger question needs to be asked is why are those who contest with the BJP in Maharashtra having such a poor strike rate. Disagree. SS blackmailed BJP in LS 2019, and got a great share of seats. More than they deserved. They tried it again in state election 2019, yet BJP obliged to their unfair ratio of seats. Yet, they tried a 3rd time blackmail but they this time, took it too far with the foolish CM demand. It's a total of 3 times, and so it's not a new issue. It's SS own making and they were greedy and ultimately, BJP gave them a firm NO to their demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 22 hours ago, Mariyam said: Shiv Sena have shot themselves in the foot. They forgave all ideology and wanted support with the Congress. Thus alienating their most loyal voter base. They have to be a special degree of stupid to get reject by a post 2014 Congress. In Maharashtra, beggars (Congress) could be choosers after all. Congress appears to have come out stronger here. They didn't agree (yet) to support a party that they are ideologically opposed to. Why can't Congess leaders themselves resigning or rebelling? To even think of alliance with SS has to be taboo. These are "self-proclaimed seculars" who talk about their strong values, so where is the Rahul resignation or their Muslim leaders ultimatum? Why go after a small party like SS, ask those ideology questions to Congress.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Maharashtra and Haryana shows is rendering Gandhi family hold over INC is largerly ceremonial now. If Congress shows any progress, they should keep them out. That is a valid genuine opposition that BJP and the country needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Maharashtra and Haryana shows is rendering Gandhi family hold over INC is largerly ceremonial now. If Congress shows any progress, they should keep them out. That is a valid genuine opposition that BJP and the country needs. You are completely wrong. The recent elections shows those caste leaders are always in the game, unless it's a wave election. And Sonia is a better manager than Rahul as she allows the caste leaders to do their business whereas Rahul relies on his foreign based consultants. On BJP, the harsh reality is, it needs high voter turnout otherwise it's always a uphill battle. All this 370, Ram Mandir may increase approval rates, morale yet BJP supporters simply don't go out to vote in large numbers.... coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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