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What Would be your plan of action for Rishabh pant - Drop or Persist

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With Every passing failure pant is making his life difficult. Kohli has no patience for youngsters n janta is senti for dhoni , media always looks to target someone so the pressure on pant is mounting every game. Its now showing on his face that his confidence is low. 

 

How would you go in Regards to it our keeping slot

 

  1. Persist with Pant
  2. Make Rahul keep 
  3. Give Samson a chance
  4. Try kishen
  5. Bring Back DK 

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Ill back him for 2 more series even if he falls in all games. We can also play samson in all games as batsman. We shud rest one among kohli n rohit which will allow Samson n pant to play. Dhawan shud be dropped , had dhawan been dropped this series we wud have seen a bit of samson. 

If pant fails and samson scores , we have the answer.

If both fails, drop pant and give samson a few more games n get in kishen

 

Dk shud be last option, he knws how international cricket works so he can give a series or two before

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Ideally Pant should be the first choice keeper but looks like either he has hit a rough patch due to the mental pressure or he is just going through a bad form. For now he needs backing  If he fails in the next 2 series it will be a double edged sword because he has experience in Aus conditions but if he is out of form it will be a huge risk.

 

Kishan at this point will struggle against pace and bounce from what I have seen. He needs to be eased in while he works on his technique against short balls.

 

While Samson and Rahul can be an option and bat in the top order, their keeping in those conditions might be a problem and you can’t have a poor keeper in any format.

 

At this point it is Pant but if he doesn’t deliver the only option for WT20 is DK.

 

Kishan might be ready for the following WT20 which is in India if obviously Pant still hasn’t recovered by then.

 

I have a fear that what I said might be replicated by bringing back MSD instead of any of those names giving the whole experience excuse :fear1:

 

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You may have Samson too,but he will be like for like replacement for Pant

He is way too inconsistent,but worth giving a try,but i totally agree with OP,i will be patient with him(Pant), confidence must be instilled, can't let go another talent like him to fade away

 

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He is not in good space right now.  That pointless wild cross batted heave ho reflected his state of mind right now.  Keeping and playing an aggressor role is a bit too much for him at this point. He is not a fully finished article yet. He needs to play any cricket he can. First class, List A, domestic T20 where he can express himself without pressure.

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6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

He is not in good space right now.  That pointless wild cross batted heave ho reflected his state of mind right now.  Keeping and playing an aggressor role is a bit too much for him at this point. He is not a fully finished article yet. He needs to play any cricket he can. First class, List A, domestic T20 where he can express himself without pressure.

Its TM job now...they have put him under pressure by giving so many public statement n dropping him in a format where he was making runs.

 

Rohit on other hand handled this so better by telling everyone just leave him alone for a while.

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46 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Its TM job now...they have put him under pressure by giving so many public statement n dropping him in a format where he was making runs.

 

Rohit on other hand handled this so better by telling everyone just leave him alone for a while.

In Tests he is bound to come back.  But in limited overs he has competition. So heat will be on. Don't think leaving him alone or keeping in focus makes any difference as he will be forced to some role or the other in every single match Either keeping or stumping or helping with review or finishing. If he wants to silence everyone he has to produce a match winning knock. Fans can be fickle. They  will start rallying behind him. 

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Open with Pant, and play Samson at 3/4 in the next series. If Pant fails again and Samson does well, we have our answer. He doesn't seem to be in good mind space now, give him more confidence by backing him at the opening spot, but another series of failure means he goes back to domestics for another season for his own good 

 

Id also like to throw DK in the mix for lower order batting in the WI series. We don't have many players that can come in strike from ball one. DK at six and Hardik at 7 gives a strong lower middle order.

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I think he should be given a break from LOI and keep continuing in Test cricket to regain his confidence. Once he is settled well in Test cricket he can be brought back to LOI. For now Samson can be given chance in t20s but he should not be played lower than no. 3 position.

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If it's a 28 year old with 5 years of experience, you would persist since he knows how to comeback to form..Pant has very little experience, has giant shoes to fill and a cunning fox like TM waiting for him to fail.. it's better that he is dropped..regains his mojo and comes back with a bang.. to his luck all his replacements are inconsistent as well.

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7 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

First thing should be to release him from test 15 so that he plays domestic SMA. Let him play all domestic matches possible till NZ tour start. Then assess based on his domestic performance.

Ill play him in XI in test...it wud be unfair on saha but it was unfair to drop pant in 1st place. Test is a format he can find his form as he has less pressure there. 

If ganguly wants to make Kolkata test a spectacle u need players like pant who can get crowds money worth

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30 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

If ganguly wants to make Kolkata test a spectacle u need players like pant who can get crowds money worth

Saha is local boy in Eden, plus his amazing wicket-keeping is always a draw.

 

Pant with his current state of mind deserves a break, let him play domestics and come back for NZ tour next Feb-Mar. 

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15 hours ago, maniac said:

Ideally Pant should be the first choice keeper but looks like either he has hit a rough patch due to the mental pressure or he is just going through a bad form. For now he needs backing  If he fails in the next 2 series it will be a double edged sword because he has experience in Aus conditions but if he is out of form it will be a huge risk.

 

Kishan at this point will struggle against pace and bounce from what I have seen. He needs to be eased in while he works on his technique against short balls.

 

While Samson and Rahul can be an option and bat in the top order, their keeping in those conditions might be a problem and you can’t have a poor keeper in any format.

 

At this point it is Pant but if he doesn’t deliver the only option for WT20 is DK.

 

Kishan might be ready for the following WT20 which is in India if obviously Pant still hasn’t recovered by then.

 

I have a fear that what I said might be replicated by bringing back MSD instead of any of those names giving the whole experience excuse :fear1:

 

Both Kishan and Samson are batsmen first, wicketkeeper distant second.  Samson is a guaranteed downgrade as a wicketkeeper from Pant.  And I say that as a bit of a fanboi of Sanju's batting potential.  

 

 

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50 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Ill play him in XI in test...it wud be unfair on saha but it was unfair to drop pant in 1st place. Test is a format he can find his form as he has less pressure there. 

If ganguly wants to make Kolkata test a spectacle u need players like pant who can get crowds money worth

The way he is playing and state of mind a failure in test a bigger possibility. That may push him out of side for a longer period. Also it's very certain Saha will be the keeper fom India tests vs Bangla. No. Point in keeping him on bench. He needs come out of that environment and play domestic matches. This will bef good for him.

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Pant needs to improve his keeping, a lot. That would be my only reason to drop him as that 'Abhi catch chorega' feeling always comes out with him behind the stumps.

I have no issues with his batting, since I know he will come good soon. T20 WC is in Australia and he can be deadly with bat on those flat true wickets there. But if he can't keep, no point discussing about his batting.

 

Also, what is wrong with his fitness? Why has he become so fat? :facepalm:

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16 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Both Kishan and Samson are batsmen first, wicketkeeper distant second.  Samson is a guaranteed downgrade as a wicketkeeper from Pant.  And I say that as a bit of a fanboi of Sanju's batting potential.  

 

 

Samson is more part time but Kishan is a first choice keeper. In fact at the junior level he was as good as Pant of not better at times.

 

Sure he may be raw but he is a better keeper than Sanju.

 

Where as Sanju is the better batsman. Kishan can be destructive but he is suspect against pace and bounce where as Sanju seems to be a classic batsman and has time to play shots against pace.

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19 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said:

The way he is playing and state of mind a failure in test a bigger possibility. That may push him out of side for a longer period. Also it's very certain Saha will be the keeper fom India tests vs Bangla. No. Point in keeping him on bench. He needs come out of that environment and play domestic matches. This will bef good for him.

 

43 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Saha is local boy in Eden, plus his amazing wicket-keeping is always a draw.

 

Pant with his current state of mind deserves a break, let him play domestics and come back for NZ tour next Feb-Mar. 

But wont dropping him from even squad make it worse , he still hasnt done that worse to be out of squad. Sometimes a bit of backing at such stages can take a player long way. I dnt think he has lost form like rahul did , he can be backed a bit more for 1-2 series . Players like him are just one innings away always . Nyways if this continues sooner or later he will be dropped so a bit more backing might just work. In domestic also its t20 tournament....t20 doesnt give much time but test match will give him time in middle 

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1 hour ago, Stan AF said:

Enna than TN playera irundhaalum, Can't take that heartbreak again bro. Rewind to wc semi :sad:

Don't mix formats. He's still an asset in the shortest format. He's never known to play the long innings 

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Rest him for the next limited overs series in December!

 

Time away from the spotlight will do him good, he looks stressed now.

 

Suggest play the back up keeper in the Dec and Jan limited overs series. If whoever it is fails (Kishan/Samson) then bring back Pant. If they succeed, let them continue till the IPL. Come IPL one can evaluate the multiple options.

 

Imperative that BCCI gives the Plan-B wicket-keeper, whoever it is maximum exposure before the World Cup. Persisting with Pant is not a bad idea, but Plan-B must be in place in case Pant continues to struggle.

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13 hours ago, Cricketics said:

Don’t judge by t20.

 

I would keep him I Test and 50 overs and in t20 I will rotate him with other youngsters. Note rotate and not drop.

 

Again, based on t20 format no one should be dropped from other formats. 

he just doesn't  have the game for loi cricket, you have to hit all around  the field in loi cricket, and Pant cant do it,he is still trying to hit a ball 2 feet  outside off on the leg side.

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He has lost it mentally. No point in keeping him on the bench during Tests. Let him go and play for Delhi away from the limelight. In fact, keep him away from the squad for 15-18 months and let him work on his game and heal those mental scars inflicted on him by his coach, captain, selectors.

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