Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, putrevus said: On dustbowls Kohli's team has no chance of beating Ganguly's team with Kumble.Sehwag would murder Jadeja and Ashwin for fun. actually i wud love to see all those greats against jadeja on dustbowl.....jadeja on dustbowl has troubled cook, abdv, smith, clarke who all have done well in India against Kumble n bhajji Clarke took 6/9 against those guys on a turner Gollum 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, maniac said: You clearly haven’t watched cricket in the 90s but we are talking about 2000s tu kyun 90s main baitha n i have watched enough cricket in 2000s as u can see i gave u many ref and ur ref of moeen ali bundling us was wrong , clearly who has seen more Link to comment
maniac Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Forget Kumble and Bhajji, Sachin and Sehwag the bowlers will trouble this batting like up raki05 1 Link to comment
Suhaan Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, maniac said: Kohli’s team can be way better competitive than the 2004 team overseas because of our bowling but in SC conditions that team will walk all over the current lot No even in Indian conditions if they bat first and score anywhere around 350 ,this attack(including Bumrah) will not let any lineup get past that score Many of us here are underestimating the potency and real strength of this attack ,but ,only if they win toss bat first and score atleast 320-350 anything less will only open the door for the likes of Sehwag,Sachin and Laxman who used to score at rapid rate Gollum 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, maniac said: Forget Kumble and Bhajji, Sachin and Sehwag the bowlers will trouble this batting like up sachin who use to give a lot of loosners as well good luck, they ll get occasional wkts for sure but if it comes to those 2 part timers well opp is ahead N i wud love to see the spanking mayank n rohit give to those 2 at the end it ll be 2 bowlers vs 4/5 bowlers......u can imagine which batting will be at rest Gollum 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 abhi to bumrah nhin daala 5 bowler relentless attack good luck any great side of the world Gollum 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, putrevus said: Sehwag would murder Jadeja and Ashwin for fun. yes only this can be the difference ....sehwag Link to comment
maniac Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said: but we are talking about 2000s tu kyun 90s main baitha n i have watched enough cricket in 2000s as u can see i gave u many ref and ur ref of moeen ali bundling us was wrong , clearly who has seen more You have to take pitches in context and the games in context. if clarke ran through us so did that Okeefe guy on a dustbowl. You can’t take lottery pitches as a metric. Everyone agrees that Kohli has a superior fast bowling attack but batting and test fielding is a notch below the 2004 line up. Do you think anyone in the current line up can play a back to the wall knock requiring patience like VVS-Dravid? VVS knock in Durban or Sachin’s knock against a rampaging Steyn or many of Dravid’s knocks in England or finish the game in the first session like Sehwag. No way. That was one of the greatest batting line ups ever put together in the history of cricket. While our bowling is one of the best in our history or had a claim of being one of the best attacks ever,it still has a long way to go Link to comment
gattaca Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, putrevus said: On dustbowls Kohli's team has no chance of beating Ganguly's team with Kumble.Sehwag would murder Jadeja and Ashwin for fun. Dust bowls are lottery. Kohli’s team is fair at playing on dustbowls. They are not Australia or England. Link to comment
gattaca Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: actually i wud love to see all those greats against jadeja on dustbowl.....jadeja on dustbowl has troubled cook, abdv, smith, clarke who all have done well in India against Kumble n bhajji Clarke took 6/9 against those guys on a turner Lol we struggled against Giles and no names English spinner during those days. Link to comment
SK_IH Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) As usual people overrating a team from the past. People love putting halo around previous generation. That renowned batting lineup collapsed against Kaneria, Arshad Khan, Udal in Indian conditions. Veeru and Dravid were major factors back then, once they got out, it was a collapse. Edited November 20, 2019 by SK_IH Gollum and diehardpacer 2 Link to comment
gattaca Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, maniac said: There is a huuuuuge difference between the SA and even Aus lineups of 2004 and 2019. The only teams that have improved from 2004 are England and Nzl. Rest all have gone down the drain. So it is not going to be as one sided as one thinks. This team got trashed in England and even SA and lost the games only due to batting. Can’t downgrade kohl’s team because we couldn’t play against a string team. We are own team was rebuilding till 2-3 years ago. Edited November 20, 2019 by gattaca Link to comment
gattaca Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, SK_IH said: As usual people overrating a team from the past. People love putting halo around previous generation. That renowned batting lineup collapsed against Kaneria, Arshad Khan, Udal in Indian conditions. Veeru and Dravid were major factors back then, once they got out, it was a collapse. Lol udal that’s the no name spinner that great legendary Indian team of Ganguly folded against. They were called best players of spin. Gollum 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, maniac said: You have to take pitches in context and the games in context. if clarke ran through us so did that Okeefe guy on a dustbowl. You can’t take lottery pitches as a metric. On a dustbowl it anyways is a lottery , but when u assume such things its meant for fair pitches 1 minute ago, maniac said: Everyone agrees that Kohli has a superior fast bowling attack but batting and test fielding is a notch below the 2004 line up. I dnt think battings is much of a diff Sehwag vs Rohit- Lets give it to sehwag since he has more body of work but when set rohit is as dangerous Mayank vs gambhir- mayank way ahead then 2004 gambhir Dravid vs pujara- pujara has a far better record in india on far tougher pitches so pujara Sachin vs kohli- debatable Laxman vs Rahane- Laxman Ganguly vs jadeja- ok ganguly ahead but he wasnt that gr8 to not much of diff, the diff is 2004 team will be against 2019 bowling attack ....aus in 2004 showed keep them under pressure and same dravid n laxman struggled 1 minute ago, maniac said: Do you think anyone in the current line up can play a back to the wall knock requiring patience like VVS-Dravid? VVS knock in Durban or Sachin’s knock against a rampaging Steyn or many of Dravid’s knocks in England or finish the game in the first session like Sehwag. No way. think pujara has no patience ???? Have u seen kohli record in SA ....he has scored against Steyn in Sa Didnt u see how this batting lineup batted in 3rd test in SA last test series when it was extremely diff to bat 1 minute ago, maniac said: That was one of the greatest batting line ups ever put together in the history of cricket. yet got defeated in 2004 only By Aus at home , PAk n england bundled them to draw series at home 1 minute ago, maniac said: While our bowling is one of the best in our history or had a claim of being one of the best attacks ever,it still has a long way to go at the end its bowling that wins u test not batting Gollum 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: actually i wud love to see all those greats against jadeja on dustbowl.....jadeja on dustbowl has troubled cook, abdv, smith, clarke who all have done well in India against Kumble n bhajji Clarke took 6/9 against those guys on a turner No Sehwag did not survive new ball.If he did he would have done well against Clarke there too. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, gattaca said: Lol we struggled against Giles and no names English spinner during those days. i think raymond price n monty panesar has troubled tendulkar Link to comment
gattaca Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Also leadership wise Kohli is aggressive compared to Ganguly. Ganguly and Bhajji backed out of a test because they couldn’t get the conditions they wanted. I don’t even hear Kohli asking for a certain type of pitch. He only asks for sporting result oriented pitches. diehardpacer, Ankit_sharma03 and Gollum 3 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Also people are forgetting how 2004 aussie side exposed dravid getting bowled issue by blocking his runs on leg side. Shami n umesh can lethal against dravid.... shami bowls stump to stump which again can be an issue for laxman Ganguly will be troubled by shami n umesh bouncer as our pitches have unpredictable bounce Gollum 1 Link to comment
gattaca Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: i think raymond price n monty panesar has troubled tendulkar It’s urad dal( Shaun udal) Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 That Nov 2004 team was in decline. Better to pick the 2004 team that toured Pakistan earlier in the year. Drew a series in Eng, Australia and WI, won vs Pakistani in Pak..the real trendsetters after the horrible 90s. Plus the only team that stopped the invincible Aussies home and away in 2000s For sheer quality in that batting line up and Dada’s captaincy, the 2004 team will have an upper hand. Only area the current team scores over them is in the pace department, but they have faced nothing like the fab 5 Link to comment
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