If Pakistan manage to win/draw series in Aus 2019, would it impact Kohli’s accomplishment?

[Global.Baba]

Kohli has had the best bowling attack in India’s history. In fact this is collectively one of the best pace attacks of all time.

 

In terms of batting we are also one of the best lineups in the world.

 

However, we still managed to muck up in SA and England.

 

In Aus while we did win a historic series, we still managed to lose a test and the final margin was  2-1 could have been 3-1.

 

That has over shadowed Kohli’s prior bad moves overseas and also in limited overs cricket.

 

If the current Pak team that no one rates beats a Smith/Warner Aus team or draws the 2 test series, would we have to revisit Kohli’s accomplishment.

 

Read my words carefully, I am not taking anything away from the batsmen or bowlers who made it happen but Aussies were there for the taking and we shouldn’t have lost even 1 test which we did due to poor team management.

[Laaloo]

Of course.

[gattaca]

I doubt pak can defeat them. Many good thing Australia. They are playing shield and getting lots practice and are in test mode. 

[Cricwala]

Yes, if Pak win, it would be a bigger achievement than our win last year. SL's win in SA this year also shows how SA has weakened and why our loss last year should rankle. Pak also drew 2-2 and 1-1 against a similar Eng team that we lost to 4-1...so yes, our SENA record has been below par. But i also believe our pace attack really matured from Oz series onwards - in SA and Eng Bumrah and Shami were still not at peak. That's why the next 1.5 yrs is so crucial for Kohli's legacy.

[First class]

Don;t need to talk about it, current Pak team won;t even draw a match, if they did, that would be some achievement. Only interest is about some individual performances by likes of Naseem, Babar and Afridi, and some batting records created by Aussies. 

[putrevus]

If they win it would be a bigger acheivement as this Australian team is with Steve Smith and Warner.

[ShoonyaSifar]

TBH Aus winning the Ashes in England immediately after comeback of Smith and Warner has already taken sheen off that series win. Will always be a historic series win for us but now with a *Aus were missing Smith and Warner, their two best test batsmen 

 

On Pakistan, well they will be lucky to win a couple of sessions, will consider it a moral victory if they can give Aussies a good fight to have respectable losses.

[Nikhil_cric]

Only if they win at the Gabba. 

[Suhaan]

Yes off course

 

[sandeep]

If Pakistan manage to draw a single test, it would be a big accomplishment for them.  

 

Winning the series is not an option that exists outside Math for them.

[Stan AF]

Absolutely.

[mani sha]

Cherish the win . It was deserved 

 

what pak does or does not do neither diminishes or enhances our win 

 

in tests we are number one and deservedly so- teams are afraid of us . Batting is finally coming together ... 

[First class]

If Pakistan team takes the test to 5th day, that would be a big achievement, unlikely though. 

[cric_fan]

Why should it?

Anyway Pak will not win

[putrevus]

5 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

TBH Aus winning the Ashes in England immediately after comeback of Smith and Warner has already taken sheen off that series win. Will always be a historic series win for us but now with a *Aus were missing Smith and Warner, their two best test batsmen 

 

On Pakistan, well they will be lucky to win a couple of sessions, will consider it a moral victory if they can give Aussies a good fight to have respectable losses.

There is no * attached to it at all, that is all in minds of few people who want to discredit Kohli's team. Kohli did not ask them to get banned and he has no control on who play for the other team.

[express bowling]

It could also be said that India's test series win in Australia, in 2018-19, has made the Asian teams believe that that they too can win test series on the bouncy tracks of Australia and South Africa.

 

Our win was path breaking in that way.

 

Apart from having a team which is better or atleast comparable to the opposition ... wins depend largely on the belief that " I can win ".

 

Our test series win in Aussie land has instilled that in all Asian teams, including us, regarding test series wins on the bouncy tracks of Australia and SA.

 

India missed both Bumrah ( in the first 2 tests that we lost in England )  ... and Bhuvi  ( who would be ideal in tests in England ) in the test series in England in 2018.  No one is saying that it dilutes their series win or excuses our loss.  Same regarding Smith and Warner missing in that test series.

 

 

Edited November 21, 2019 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Australia did not win the 2019 Ashes after the return of Smith and Warner ( as is being said in this thread.)   The series was a 2 - 2 draw.

 

Australia retained the Ashes due to the drawn series.

 

 

 

 

[rkt.india]

9 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

TBH Aus winning the Ashes in England immediately after comeback of Smith and Warner has already taken sheen off that series win. Will always be a historic series win for us but now with a *Aus were missing Smith and Warner, their two best test batsmen 

 

On Pakistan, well they will be lucky to win a couple of sessions, will consider it a moral victory if they can give Aussies a good fight to have respectable losses.

England was also missing Anderson. Warner did zilch in Ashes. Bumrah would have taken care of Smith. Aus didn't win Ashes. It was a draw.

Edited November 21, 2019 by rkt.india

[rtmohanlal]

with out a doubt it will expose Kohli the captain & Sastri the coach. But ....Pakistan winning a series  in AUS against Smith & Warner ..... would be one of  the  biggest upsets in history...

[ShoonyaSifar]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

England was also missing Anderson. Warner did zilch in Ashes. Bumrah would have taken care of Smith. Aus didn't win Ashes. It was a draw.

Not sure what you are trying to say.

 

If you want to keep believing that Aus with Smith and Warner would have made no difference to the outcome of the series. On Warner's Ashes performance in England, look at Warner's record in Australia.

 

I said Australia 'won the Ashes', read that again.