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I don’t know much about Indian politics but I would like to know how easy or difficult would it be if let’s say god forbid congress would come back into power next election. Would they be able to reverse all of the moves made by modi and current govt?

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4 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

I don’t know much about Indian politics but I would like to know how easy or difficult would it be if let’s say god forbid congress would come back into power next election. Would they be able to reverse all of the moves made by modi and current govt?

No.

We are not a banana republic. We have an independent judiciary and an able executive. Amendments have to comply with the stated processes.

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6 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

No.

We are not a banana republic. We have an independent judiciary and an able executive. Amendments have to comply with the stated processes.

Actually Trivia time for those interested : The term Banana republic originated because back in the day Bananas were considered to be a super exotic fruit in America and Europe. Obviously Bananas were native to tropical climates like the Carribean and some South American countries.

 

Banana was such a popular and profitable  export that The American and European businessmen started to fund the governments, payoff regimes, organize coups etc to get trade benefits and other kickbacks. So basically Banana trade and plantations  were owned by the colonial masters and corporates. 
 

In modern times Iraq and Pakistan are good examples of these.

 

India is not exactly a banana republic we are bunch or confused,casteist, regionalist kaum (while the other 2 are the norm everywhere in the world in terms of that tribal mentality of human beings we are one of the most confused nation out there)

 

 

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On 11/23/2019 at 5:54 PM, Mariyam said:

He has done nothing to warrant such a nomination. 

If he is able to Govern UP successfully for this term and another then we have something to go by.

 

BJP performance is strongest in UP. Every other state, apart from West Bengal and North East, BJP hasn’t done any better than its last performances.

So Yogi is doing something right and better than rest.

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2 hours ago, mishra said:

BJP performance is strongest in UP. Every other state, apart from West Bengal and North East, BJP hasn’t done any better than its last performances.

So Yogi is doing something right and better than rest.

Doesn’t matter. It doesn’t serve anyone’s interests except the tiny super conservative Hindu populace to have a Hindu religious figure as prime minister. It’s an own goal of epic proportions for everyone else. That yogi is bad for India can be seen from his ridiculous and asinine position over Taj Mahal, which he doesn’t consider ‘Indian’ monument and doesnt even give it exposure for tourism officially. That’s as ‘petty Hindu fanatic’ move as ever , given that the Taj Mahal draws more revenue than next 10 tourist sites in UP combined. A petty jaahil, who will harm the economic potential of the Taj, just for his petty Hindu-Muslim views, over a building that has zero religious significance, is bad news at a national and international level.

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^ Modi was called Butcher. Smartasses all over world literally, declared him Muslims killer, and allmost sent him to Hague on imaginary stuff, at the same time failed to even discuss (forget figuring out) why BJP was winning in Gujrat.
if anyone knows Gujrat, he will know that since Patels gave up on Congress, BJP had no competitor and hence Modi didn’t had to do a political upheavel

 

I know UP. its a place where Maya and Mulayam used to individually contest and win over half the seats, Yogi has beaten them combined. And there are valid reasons which are other than Imaginary BS you guys are discussing.

 

Also, You need numbers, else u end up like Atalji or currently Fadnavis. And numbers come from hard concrete hinest delivery 

 

 

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58 minutes ago, mishra said:

^ Modi was called Butcher. Smartasses all over world literally, declared him Muslims killer, and allmost sent him to Hague on imaginary stuff, at the same time failed to even discuss (forget figuring out) why BJP was winning in Gujrat.
if anyone knows Gujrat, he will know that since Patels gave up on Congress, BJP had no competitor and hence Modi didn’t had to do a political upheavel

Irrelevant. Being accused of being a Hindu extremist while being a regular Hindu is quite different from being an actual Hindu holy man who is by default far more extreme and has also displayed it as such.

58 minutes ago, mishra said:

 

I know UP. its a place where Maya and Mulayam used to individually contest and win over half the seats, Yogi has beaten them combined. And there are valid reasons which are other than Imaginary BS you guys are discussing.

Good for him. What works in UP, is. UP thing. UPites may not care about kattar hindu fanatics and it may even be good for UPs more communal nature. But it doesn’t work for India and it won’t work at the world stage.

58 minutes ago, mishra said:

Also, You need numbers, else u end up like Atalji or currently Fadnavis. And numbers come from hard concrete hinest delivery 

 

 

Doesn’t matter. Just because he is popular in a big state that is known for being more hinduvta and having more friction than most other states, doesn’t make him a good bet for rest of India. His handling of the Taj Mahal has demonstrated that he is too small minded to lead India and this will be brutally exposed at a national stage within the bjp itself. Yogi is good for being a regional tool but toxic at national level. Both for his image and actual small mindedness.

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5 hours ago, Gollum said:

@mishra I can never forgive Yogi after Kamlesh Tiwari's assassination. He was safer under SP rule but under BJP they removed his protection. Didn't take action against the rabid mullahs and Islamist groups either. 

This. I absolutely agree. I have first hand experience on it. There was one murder of another Panditji in our area during my last trip

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On 11/24/2019 at 8:37 PM, Gollum said:

@mishra I can never forgive Yogi after Kamlesh Tiwari's assassination. He was safer under SP rule but under BJP they removed his protection. Didn't take action against the rabid mullahs and Islamist groups either. 

How do you know he hasn’t avenged it or taken steps? He is a CM not the mafia ffs that needs to make a public point.

 

Yogi is a much smarter man and shrewd politician than he appears.

 

Recently my parents had some wood work done to our house in India and the carpenters were from UP and they were Muslim. They were all praises for Yogi for his steps in social development.

 

UP is a cesspool. It can’t be fixed over night.

 

Yogi is the man 

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On 11/25/2019 at 2:56 AM, mishra said:

BJP performance is strongest in UP. Every other state, apart from West Bengal and North East, BJP hasn’t done any better than its last performances.

So Yogi is doing something right and better than rest.

I dont think the criteria is only about making BJP stronger . Has UP been better under him ? Still early days imo 

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3 hours ago, jusarrived said:

I dont think the criteria is only about making BJP stronger . Has UP been better under him ? Still early days imo 

Emphatic Yes. UP has become better.Nothing against Fadnavis. Its just that a PM has to be efficient at the same time Play dirty game of Politics better than most

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I don't understand why this guy is called chanakya. He is doing silly mistakes

1) BJP should never had pre poll alliance with Sena . Any person reading the news know SS was more anti BJP in last 3-4 years than opposition.

 

2) The hurried move to take oath with ajit pawar dented BJP image. 

 

He is only good at dealing with small parties O/W he is just another politician.

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3 hours ago, Singh bling said:

I don't understand why this guy is called chanakya. He is doing silly mistakes

1) BJP should never had pre poll alliance with Sena . Any person reading the news know SS was more anti BJP in last 3-4 years than opposition.

 

2) The hurried move to take oath with ajit pawar dented BJP image. 

 

He is only good at dealing with small parties O/W he is just another politician.

Hindsight is beautiful. Without SS, BJP wouldn't have reached 105. The onus is on it's supporters groups actually turning up to vote. They simply didn't and the low voter turnout messed up the results for BJP.

 

The Ajit Pawar move was a needed gamble, it showed the opposition is also divided and BJP can be ruthless. It's not going to sit quietly and the fight is still on... What makes you think that the opposition will survive together forever?

 

And this dented image is still nonsense, nobody is questioning Congress on their alignment with SS. Where is the Muslim leaders revolt?

 

 

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1 hour ago, someone said:

Hindsight is beautiful. Without SS, BJP wouldn't have reached 105. The onus is on it's supporters groups actually turning up to vote. They simply didn't and the low voter turnout messed up the results for BJP.

Didn't they won 125 in last elections without SS ? Anyway if SS is so important then accept their term of 2.5 years cm.

 

1 hour ago, someone said:

The Ajit Pawar move was a needed gamble, it showed the opposition is also divided and BJP can be ruthless. It's not going to sit quietly and the fight is still on... What makes you think that the opposition will survive together forever?

What about " Naa khaonga naa khaane dunga aur jo khaaya hai woh ugalwaaonga? BJP if today is such big party its because non corrupt image of Modi. If BJP keeps on making alliances with deadly corrupt politicians then BJP will be back to pre 2014 position.

 

1 hour ago, someone said:

And this dented image is still nonsense, nobody is questioning Congress on their alignment with SS. Where is the Muslim leaders revolt?

Muslims just want Modi to go and weaken the BJP so they have no option.

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34 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

Didn't they won 125 in last elections without SS ? Anyway if SS is so important then accept their term of 2.5 years cm.

 

What about " Naa khaonga naa khaane dunga aur jo khaaya hai woh ugalwaaonga? BJP if today is such big party its because non corrupt image of Modi. If BJP keeps on making alliances with deadly corrupt politicians then BJP will be back to pre 2014 position.

 

Muslims just want Modi to go and weaken the BJP so they have no option.

you are trying to be extra smart. In 2014, all 4 parties fought separately. In 2019, with NCP+ Con together , BJP had to be alliance with SS pre-poll.
 

And politics and diplomacy is about alliance and collaborations, nothing permanent. You can keep painting a pessimistic image of BJP. Yet, you dont apply the same question to Congress. 

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7 minutes ago, someone said:

you are trying to be extra smart. In 2014, all 4 parties fought separately. In 2019, with NCP+ Con together , BJP had to be alliance with SS pre-poll

BJP treated SS like trash in 2014 and even in 2019 they gave them only 1 cabinet minister at Centre. This time too they made SS fight lesser number of seats. If SS is such an important ally that you can't win a state alone then you can't treat the way SS was treated.

 

12 minutes ago, someone said:

And politics and diplomacy is about alliance and collaborations, nothing permanent. You can keep painting a pessimistic image of BJP. Yet, you dont apply the same question to Congress. 

Congress is already in very miserable condition. The way they fought Maharashtra and Haryana election tells you the story. So whatever they got in election is just bonus. 

 

And yes politics is all about alliance collaboration etc. So next time PM talk about corruption or black money just tell others politics is all about talking this  . It is not serious.

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21 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

BJP treated SS like trash in 2014 and even in 2019 they gave them only 1 cabinet minister at Centre. This time too they made SS fight lesser number of seats. If SS is such an important ally that you can't win a state alone then you can't treat the way SS was treated.

 

Congress is already in very miserable condition. The way they fought Maharashtra and Haryana election tells you the story. So whatever they got in election is just bonus. 

 

And yes politics is all about alliance collaboration etc. So next time PM talk about corruption or black money just tell others politics is all about talking this  . It is not serious.

Thats rubbish. Alliances is two-way. Yet, SS constantly spoke bad about BJP in last 5 years. They treated BJP like trash, used the benefits of power yet spoke poison. SS contested a large share of seats than more than they really deserved,  both in LS / vidhan sabha. They just kept blackmailing BJP and this time, this CM demand was the limit. 

 

And today, corruption is free top-level and thats the biggest quality of Modi government and thus things are getting done relatively quick. If you expect all corruption gone , or low level corrupt leaders gone, its childish talks. 

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1 hour ago, someone said:

Thats rubbish. Alliances is two-way. Yet, SS constantly spoke bad about BJP in last 5 years. They treated BJP like trash, used the benefits of power yet spoke poison. SS contested a large share of seats than more than they really deserved,  both in LS / vidhan sabha. They just kept blackmailing BJP and this time, this CM demand was the limit. 

If because of Alliance with SS BJP won 105 seats then how SS contested more than they deserve? Sau baat ki ek baat and that is BJP today is loser so somewhere their master strategist something wrong

 

1 hour ago, someone said:

And today, corruption is free top-level and thats the biggest quality of Modi government and thus things are getting done relatively quick. If you expect all corruption gone , or low level corrupt leaders gone, its childish talks. 

A deputy CM is low level corrupt leader ? and how do you know there is no top level corruption ? We had even earlier seen governments where there were no big scams.

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30 minutes ago, mishra said:

^ Dont make baseless Pappu Rafale type claims. Shashtriji Chandrasekhar Yogi MMS Narsimha Atal are Peanuts in 70 years 1+billion democracy.

There hasnt been a single scam free government before Modi

 

I am not talking about Rafale . I heard lots of bad things about Nehru and Indira but never heard that they were directly involved in scam.

 

And top level corruption do not mean only pm. Look at Jay shah's income 

https://caravanmagazine.in/business/new-mca-filings-show-business-booming-for-jay-amitbhai-shah

Now don't tell me has found a super honest way to earn money

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7 hours ago, Singh bling said:

If because of Alliance with SS BJP won 105 seats then how SS contested more than they deserve? Sau baat ki ek baat and that is BJP today is loser so somewhere their master strategist something wrong

 

A deputy CM is low level corrupt leader ? and how do you know there is no top level corruption ? We had even earlier seen governments where there were no big scams.

You keep shifting goalposts. Both SS/BJP asked votes on Modi, they had posters of him everywhere. Next, SS contested some 130 seats, yet won just 58. Thats a poor conversion rate. SS themselves are strong in certain areas in MH, and lack the general presence throughout the state. 

 

They always blackmailed BJP,  and BJP had to stick with them despite all their abuses. BJP couldnt have done anything else, they stuck and were committed to allies. Yet, SS or rather Uddhav had personal goals and thus destroyed everything...

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4 hours ago, someone said:

You keep shifting goalposts. Both SS/BJP asked votes on Modi, they had posters of him everywhere. Next, SS contested some 130 seats, yet won just 58. Thats a poor conversion rate. SS themselves are strong in certain areas in MH, and lack the general presence throughout the state. 

 

They always blackmailed BJP,  and BJP had to stick with them despite all their abuses. BJP couldnt have done anything else, they stuck and were committed to allies. Yet, SS or rather Uddhav had personal goals and thus destroyed everything...

Why do you say that?

 

Uddhav has achieved his personal goal of becoming the CM.

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9 hours ago, G_B_ said:

Indira not involved in scam?

What wad the liscence raj?

I realise seculars had snuck in a few victories but this reminds me of dec 2018 when they thought modi gov was going to fall

Also Bofors and Sanjay Gandhi becoming the MD of Maruti Motors Limited.

The latter is a case study in corruption in most law schools.

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2 hours ago, Mariyam said:

Why do you say that?

 

Uddhav has achieved his personal goal of becoming the CM.

Imagine if Rahul Gandhi joins BJP to get  the minister position. Its the exact same thing with Uddhav. Destroyed his own party history, its commitment and trust of its allies.

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