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2003 Odi X1 vs 2019 (until WC) Odi X1 who will win?


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Obviously considering that the 2003 team is still at the same age and form they showed that year.

 

Also under the following 4 scenarios 

 

In SENA

 

in SC

 

Under old rules 

 

Under new rules 

 

Here is my 2003 X1. I am picking this X1  Based on the team that played Pak in the 2003 wc game 

 

Sachin

Sehwag

Ganguly

Kaif

Dravid

Yuvi

Mongia

Kumble

Srinath

Nehra

Zak

 

12th Man : Bhajji

 

Current Odi team based on players tried till 2019 WC

Rohit

Dhawan

Kohli

Iyer/Pant/Rayudu/Shankar/DK/Pandey (pick anyone doesn’t matter? )

MSD

Jadhav

Pandya

Bhuvi

Kuldeep

Chahal

Bhuvi

Bumrah

 

12th and 13th men: Jadeja and Shami 

 

This thread is inspired partly inspired by the other thread comparing the 2 test teams and also by a nightmare I had recently :fear1: what if in the 2003 game we had the current day lower order after Sachin’s blitz. Dravid,Kaif and Yuvraj’s knock in that game was worth its weight in gold in a tricky situation.

 

Imagine likes of Pandya/Jadhav and co vs 2 w’s and Shoaib. Pak would have fancied their chances.

 

No glorifying the past here. We have had starts like 280/2 in 38 overs and ended up with 340 and other sub par scores.

 

I think the 2003 team would kick ass against this team in every scenario.

 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, SK_IH said:

Both teams choked when it mattered, so equal in terms of being losers.

Losing to the Nz team of 2019 is not the same as getting hammered by that 2003 Aussie team.

 

Also one would imagine in the T20 gen to have a much more dynamic lower order but it has gone reverse.

 

Even the bowling attack of 2003 looks like it can match our current bowling 

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Current team for sure under new rules

  • the biggest area 2003 team will suffer is part timer. People always question the need of guys like CDGH , pandya if part time bowlers are avl- the reason is under current rule part timer wont work that well.Earlier there was only one ball, now 2 balls so it doesnt get that old ......so sehwag, sachin, yuvi will be using a newish ball. Biggest factor was 5 fielder outside now its 4....which is why yuvi was stopped being used post 2011 wc  but he was used in t20 
  • Current top 3 are better. Sachin kohli can be at par but for me dhawan n rohit are ahead then ganguly n sehwag 
  • Fielding makes a huge diff....even our avg fielders wud be better then their avg fielder. They had yuvi n kaif we have pandya n jadeja and rohit, kohli are very good to. 
  • Running between the wkts is far more superme
  • Better lower order batting - even with dhoni, jadhav they still are better then mongia n kaif . Neither yuvi translated his talent at that point 
  • Pandya at 7 is an X-factor that other team lacks
  • Bumrah as a death bowler is an X-factor that this team has
  • Imagine pandya vs Yuvi, sachin, sehwag part timer.....massacre even i bet jadhav wud be to much for them 

 

These small small things like running between wkts, fielding makes a diff of 30-40 runs 

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7 hours ago, maniac said:

 

Sachin

Sehwag

Ganguly

Kaif

Dravid

Yuvi

Mongia

Kumble

Srinath

Nehra

Zak

 

12th Man : Bhajji

Bhajji was in XI those days kumble was on bench 

7 hours ago, maniac said:

This thread is inspired partly inspired by the other thread comparing the 2 test teams and also by a nightmare I had recently :fear1: what if in the 2003 game we had the current day lower order after Sachin’s blitz. Dravid,Kaif and Yuvraj’s knock in that game was worth its weight in gold in a tricky situation.

 

Imagine likes of Pandya/Jadhav and co vs 2 w’s and Shoaib. Pak would have fancied their chances.

 

ur thread says its 2003 vs 2019 team then ur saying imagine facing them pakistan bowler :facepalm:

Decide krle match kiske saath ho raha hai

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Assuming you're talking about the team that won 8 (9?) games in a row at the WC, before being beaten by the best ODI team ever - I'd say Saurav's team hands down. There's no player who's come close to the form SRT displayed in that WC, as for choking - do you even know what you're talking about, we were never in the game after Zak bowled that horrendous first over :facepalm:

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under old rules still current team 

Coz fielding , Running btw wkts , power game remains same 

 

In SENA

Current team as these players are much better equipped against pace n bounce and they have a seaming all rounder, unlike earlier when they had spinner part timers

 

In SC under old rules

Again current team, coz good luck facing bumrah shami with old ball which use to reverse. Infact ashwin, jadeja was doing well till rules changed 

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Clearly Overestimating the past n forgetting where they all stood in 2003 based on just one tournament

 

  • Zak n yuvi wasnt even close to what they became, Zak was only good in 2003 Wc rest it was mostly a struggle
  • Yuvi struggle against spin was known so good luck against Kuldeep. Brad hogg use to trouble him
  • Kaif lacked power game 
  • Nehra use to get injured anytime
  • Kumble ODI form wasnt good post 2000 and he was a very poor fielder
  • Sehwag was always inconsistent compare to our top 3 who are super consistent 
  • Ganguly short ball problem was started be known world wide 
  • Fitness level in outfield compared to current level is huge diff. Even someone like jadhav has improved a lot 
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7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Coz fielding , Running btw wkts , power game remains same 

Yeah no there's at least 3 to 4 passengers in the LO 2019 team, do you want me to count them? Theatrics like running over the boundary & flicking the ball back in to take catches don't count, that 2003 only had 1 poor fielder IIRC.

7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Current team as these players are much better equipped against pace n bounce and they have a seaming all rounder, unlike earlier when they had spinner part timers

Yeah, we all saw what happened to this theory in CT finals, WC semi & tests all throughout last year. I'm surprised you're still putting this spin - nah not really given it's H P we're talking about. That 2003 team will win on seaming, swinging surfaces 9/10 times!

7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Again current team, coz good luck facing bumrah shami with old ball which use to reverse. Infact ashwin, jadeja was doing well till rules changed 

Oh sure, let's forget what Lyon did to these maharathis in India just a few months back with 2 new balls. Not to mention, all the players back in 2003 were much superior players of spin :whack:

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Just now, R!TTER said:

Yeah no there's at least 3 to 4 passengers in the LO 2019 team, do you want me to count them? Theatrics like running over the boundary & flicking the ball back in to take catches don;t count, that 2003 only had 1 poor fielder IIRC.

Passengers acc to now , but not then times

Same Dhoni s/r wud look good for that team 

 

That 2003 team had only 2 good fielders - yuvi n kaif

 

Just now, R!TTER said:

Yeah, we all saw what happened to this theory in CT finals, WC semi & tests all throughout last year. I;'m surprised you're still putting this spin. That 2003 team will win on seaming, wining surfaces 9/10 times!

Didnt that 2003 team choked in 13 finals 

hahaha that 2003 team got massacred in SA, NZ in last few years and next year in CT 2004 against pakistan u have forgotten that

 

 

 

Again are they competing against each other or world 

Just now, R!TTER said:

Oh sure, let's forget what Lyon did to these maharathis in India just a few months back with 2 new balls. Not to mention, all the players back in 2003 were much superior players of spin :whack:

Lyon has no value in white ball cricket . No not all yuvi was **** against spinners no one in current team is that ****

Their better players of spin batted in top order so their middle order was nothing dangerous against spin

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1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

2019 team has X factor in bumrah 

What X factor did 2003 team had ?

Dravid Yuvi Kaif combine could bail us out of some tough spots,like Natwest or Pak world cup game

2019 team is just top 3 and Bumrah which is why they crumbled at the first sign of pressure,same as 2017 CT

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2 minutes ago, GautiMaan said:

Dravid Yuvi Kaif combine could bail us out of some tough spots,like Natwest or Pak world cup game

aise to even jadhav has won us game against england by making 100

Dhoni was MOS in 2019 Aus series all games while chasing

 

Thats not X factor

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2019 team is just top 3 and Bumrah which is why they crumbled at the first sign of pressure,same as 2017 CT

didnt that team crumble under pressure . That team lost 13 finals 

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4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

aise to even jadhav has won us game against england by making 100

Dhoni was MOS in 2019 Aus series all games while chasing

 

Thats not X factor

didnt that team crumble under pressure . That team lost 13 finals 

Jadhav,Dhoni performances came only in some jam odis not high pressure games

Just think that 2003 team had greater camaraderie and a will to  win as opposed to Kohlis team which is a well oiled machine with its top order and bowling but still didnt perform as well as tey should have

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