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Limitations of Every players that TM needs to keep in mind while selection as they usually mix it up

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One of the most simplest things that kohli n shastri havent been able to understand

 

TM needs to keep in mind that most players work in certain condition, format or situation better then in all condition. Only a very few like Bumrah, Kohli are all format, condition ,situation players. Virat n shastri have messed up the selection so many times that it has effected our results

E.g- 

  1. Rohit selected over Rahane in SA. Rahane struggle at home has nothing to do with his batting overseas for him those conditions are much suitable to his batting then indian conditions
  2. Ishant being pref over umesh in 1st test in SA series at home. Ishant is a better bowler then umesh outside india but in India umesh is far better....Ishant shud only be looked at if its pink ball or its going move around a lot which happens quite rarely
  3. Shami, jadeja, dhawa, manish, dhoni selection in t20
  4. Selection of bhajji in 2015 SL tour based on IPL number when he was clearly struggling to pick wkts in domestic 
  5. Selection of Dhawan over Rahul in Sa....even though both failed but rahul was always a better test batsman. Both even failed in Eng but atleast Rahul played a 150 knock. 
  6. Selection of Rahane in ODI past years 
  7. Selection of Rayudu on basis of minnow n easy condition bashing whereas it was clear in 2015 only that he struggles against quality pace n bounce

 

Neways these examples are endless

 

So the limitations - 

 

  • Ishant Sharma- Better bowler when its doing a bit , not great in Indian condition certainely not better then umesh
  • umesh- havent been good outside india with kookabura, now he ll get a lot of pref based on his home bowling . At home shud always be pref over bhuvi n ishant 
  • Shami- not a t20 bowler
  • jadeja- not a successful t20 player
  • Rahane - a must overseas. Not a LOI player
  • Dhawan- Not a t20 or test player
  • Karthik - only good when u have no option other then to hit from ball 1
  • manish pandey- not a t20 player specially of lower order 
  • Deepak chahar- skills best used only in t20s 
  • Vijay shankar- not a lower order hitter coz before the WC he was sent for that role whereas he is a proper middler order batsman
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5 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Not a word for Bhuvi.  

 

:bumsmack:

I will fill you in. Good for green tracks but mostly useless. Good 3rd seamer for odis and T20s but needs to improve his batting or else competes with Pandya. Pandya the better bat and Bhuvi the better bowler obviously. Place for only one of the middle of the road players 

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7 minutes ago, maniac said:

I will fill you in. Good for green tracks but mostly useless. Good 3rd seamer for odis and T20s but needs to improve his batting or else competes with Pandya. Pandya the better bat and Bhuvi the better bowler obviously. Place for only one of the middle of the road players 

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You are dealing with players and their careers not robots.As a fan you can piegon hole any player into a particular role but as a selector and captain they cannot/shouldn't do it.It will kill players motive to become better, if they did what you wanted Pandya who is nothing but a bits and pieces player wouldn't have played test cricket.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

You are dealing with players and their careers not robots.As a fan you can piegon hole any player into a particular role but as a selector and captain they cannot/shouldn't do it.It will kill players motive to become better, if they did what you wanted Pandya who is nothing but a bits and pieces player wouldn't have played test cricket.

 

 

Cricket is not played by image in ur head....his perfomance was good n bad as most specialist 

N also wasnt virat plan was to play players acc to conditions

 

Lets not talk about career n all with this team mngmt creating most insecurity among players. What motivation has virat created among players specially young ones are to be seen . 

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22 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Cricket is not played by image in ur head....his perfomance was good n bad as most specialist 

N also wasnt virat plan was to play players acc to conditions

 

Lets not talk about career n all with this team mngmt creating most insecurity among players. What motivation has virat created among players specially young ones are to be seen . 

Pandya once was out of the team made this test team better and it will stay better until those morons try to reintegrate him into the team again.

 

Kohli is not there to babysit players, he is there to win matches,He and TM are doing just fine other than trying to make Pandya into a test allrounder.

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6 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Pandya once was out of the team made this test team better and it will stay better until those morons try to reintegrate him into the team again.

How did it made better.....this side got better when other chipped in

In aus the total contribution of 6th number was one fifty just one  which was basically what pandya did on Sa n eng tour and WI doesnt have that quality of SENA . Its in ur head

 

Like it was that look at curran why cant pandya be like n i said let him go abroad n now that he has ...he n pandya stand very close in terms of numbers but pandya ha a 5 wkt haul n 100 curran doesnt have either. So all in ur head

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Kohli is not there to babysit players, he is there to win matches,

N clearly these selection blunder only costed him matches 

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He and TM are doing just fine other than trying to make Pandya into a test allrounder.

And that was the reason they won in England . All rounder are not made in a day....go n check where most all rounder stood around 10-11 test and 90 test wudd be near or even less then pandya

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2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

How did it made better.....this side got better when other chipped in

In aus the total contribution of 6th number was one fifty just one  which was basically what pandya did on Sa n eng tour and WI doesnt have that quality of SENA . Its in ur head

 

Like it was that look at curran why cant pandya be like n i said let him go abroad n now that he has ...he n pandya stand very close in terms of numbers but pandya ha a 5 wkt haul n 100 curran doesnt have either. So all in ur head

N clearly these selection blunder only costed him matches 

And that was the reason they won in England . All rounder are not made in a day....go n check where most all rounder stood around 10-11 test and 90 test wudd be near or even less then pandya

If he was not in the team, they would have won both series in SA and England. No selection blunder was worse than selecting Pandya into test team.

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10 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Pandya once was out of the team made this test team better and it will stay better until those morons try to reintegrate him into the team again.

 

Kohli is not there to babysit players, he is there to win matches,He and TM are doing just fine other than trying to make Pandya into a test allrounder.

Does Colin DeGrandhomme make the NZ team better or worse in kiwi conditions?

 

In one post you talk about not pigeon-holing players, and in another you go on a typical rant against a guy you detest.  The irony.

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5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

If he was not in the team, they would have won both series in SA and England. No selection blunder was worse than selecting Pandya into test team.

Really how ??

coz the player on bench was Rohit sharma in Sa who hasnt scored a single 50 in SA in 2 tours

players on bench was vihari who scored a 50 in england but not a single 50 in aus.....plus england figured out he had issues with short pitch when stokes started bouncing. If vihari wud have played ....we wont even had won that 1 test . N even if vihari wud have scored we still wudnt have won coz we needed 2 more batsman to score as in Aus Pujara, mayank, pant all scored as well . Players like kohli, rahane, pujara cudnt win us in england who have much better quality then vihari n u expect vihari.....again one of those curran like myth in ur head 

 

No one can win in SA n ENG without playing practice games n doing selection blunder like Rohit n dhawan

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3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Really how ??

coz the player on bench was Rohit sharma in Sa who hasnt scored a single 50 in SA in 2 tours

players on bench was vihari who scored a 50 in england but not a single 50 in aus.....plus england figured out he had issues with short pitch when stokes started bouncing. If vihari wud have played ....we wont even had won that 1 test . N even if vihari wud have scored we still wudnt have won coz we needed 2 more batsman to score as in Aus Pujara, mayank, pant all scored as well 

I repeat there is no bigger selection blunder than trying to make Pandya into a test player.Bits and pieces players are not the answer for anything in test cricket.

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Just now, putrevus said:

I repeat there is no bigger selection blunder than trying to make Pandya in test player.Bits and pieces players are not the answer for anything in test cricket.

So he is a bigger blunder then dhawan selection who doesnt even have a single 50 in SA in two tours , pandya almost had a 100

So he is a bigger blunder then dhawan selection who doesnt even have a single 50 in eng in two tours , pandya had a 50

So he is a bigger blunder then Rohit  selection who doesnt even have a single 50 in SA in two tours , Pandya has on its 1st tour

Not playing a practice game wasnt a disastor .

 

Matalb player failing on 2- tours are less disastor then guy who did something n won u a game to

 

get some strong argument, even dhawan rohit stats laugh at ur logic 

 

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4 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I repeat there is no bigger selection blunder than trying to make Pandya into a test player.Bits and pieces players are not the answer for anything in test cricket.

u also kept repeating how india has no batting talent when kohli messed up no.4 ab Iyer konse ande se nikal aaya 

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5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I repeat there is no bigger selection blunder than trying to make Pandya into a test player.Bits and pieces players are not the answer for anything in test cricket.

wasnt rayudu re-selection a disastor when everyone knew he cant play pace n bounce in 2015 and he got the most run unlike most youngsters who got 2-3 games 

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6 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I repeat there is no bigger selection blunder than trying to make Pandya into a test player.Bits and pieces players are not the answer for anything in test cricket.

Isnt dhawan persistance in t20 one of the biggest disastors when this guy record in t20 is poor...and he was dropped midway in past 2 WC.

Disastor ki to ginti at krwao 

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14 minutes ago, putrevus said:

If he was not in the team, they would have won both series in SA and England. No selection blunder was worse than selecting Pandya into test team.

Didnt they drop pandya in 5th test england and yet ended up loosing .....waha kyun haar gaye despite great innings by pant n rahul

but pandya was part of both the wins in ENG, Sa

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13 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Does Colin DeGrandhomme make the NZ team better or worse in kiwi conditions?

 

In one post you talk about not pigeon-holing players, and in another you go on a typical rant against a guy you detest.  The irony.

Good u reminded me of CDGH did pretty well in this test....runs n wkts both....for all the flak he gets

A test avg of 40 and bowling avg of 29 is damn good 

 

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16 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Does Colin DeGrandhomme make the NZ team better or worse in kiwi conditions?

 

In one post you talk about not pigeon-holing players, and in another you go on a typical rant against a guy you detest.  The irony.

Do Kiwis have better options than Colin DeGrandhomme .They have spinner and wk who can score big hundreds.Their captain can bowl if needed do we have such options?

I don't detest Pandya, I just don't think he is good enough and he drags this test team down.India is better off batsmen in no6 than Pandya as that lengthens Indian batting line up.

India top order does not bowl and if they play Saha their tails starts after no5.Pandya is a luxury for this team it does not need.Indian bowling does not need reinforcement, its batting needs reinforcement.I would rather go into a test with Vihari at no6 than Pandya at no6.

 

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Colin de Grandhomme plays for his team because there are probably 150 people playing cricket in Newzealand in total( see breakdown below). False equivalence with Pandya who probably has a combination of as many specialist batsmen and bowlers ahead of him in tests. Must for LOIs though 


6*15 first class teams

15 international squad

20 women

15 group-age cricketers 

 

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43 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Good u reminded me of CDGH did pretty well in this test....runs n wkts both....for all the flak he gets

A test avg of 40 and bowling avg of 29 is damn good 

 

Some folks are either unable or unwilling to see potential.  They'd rather stick to their pre-conceived notions of armchair expertise, even when they are bizarrely self-contradictory.

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28 minutes ago, maniac said:

Colin de Grandhomme plays for his team because there are probably 150 people playing cricket in Newzealand in total( see breakdown below).

No he plays coz every team needs a 5th bowling option without compromising on batting, just a stupid word to throw around- bits n pieces but take teams planning and it plays a huge role. As i said cricket aint played on paper

 

Aus has marcus n head....before they had marsh

WI- holder

Pak also sohail n ifthikar 

Eng- stokes, curren

Nz- CDGH

 

Living in an old notion that some cricketer can work and some will never....CDGH now has better bowling n batting avg then world best all rounder stokes in test cricket for all the fun u made of him.  And ur saying he plays coz of lack of options. u think NZ wnt even have a single batsman in domestic to play at 6 . Matalab team balance gaya tel lene

 

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6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

No he plays coz every team needs a 5th bowling option without compromising on batting, just a stupid word to throw around- bits n pieces but take teams planning and it plays a huge role. As i said cricket aint played on paper

 

Aus has marcus n head....before they had marsh

WI- holder

Pak also sohail n ifthikar 

Eng- stokes, curren

Nz- CDGH

 

Living in an old notion that some cricketer can work and some will never....CDGH now has better bowling n batting avg then world best all rounder stokes in test cricket for all the fun u made of him.  And ur saying he plays coz of lack of options. u think NZ wnt even have a single batsman in domestic to play at 6 . Matalab team balance gaya tel lene

 

Exactly Mitch Marsh was a flop and Proper batsmen with some ability to roll arm over like Lanschanchwmehrne and Head are successful. Thanks for making my point 

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4 minutes ago, maniac said:

Exactly Mitch Marsh was a flop and Proper batsmen with some ability to roll arm over like Lanschanchwmehrne and Head are successful. Thanks for making my point 

yet aus had to play him for 32 test due to need till they found 2 players who cud roll over their arm....india have only found 1 in vihari 

two atleast can make up more overs then one part timer

 

And with avg of 40 with bat and 29 with bowl CDGH isnt successful, holder isnt successful ?? Hasnt specialist batsman failed that one all rounder failure is seen big but 10 specliast failures are ignored

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Yeah right Pandya won the test , if Pandya did not play and guy like Vihari played, those five wickets he took would have been taken by Indian fast bowlers like they did in many tests. But those close losses could have turned into wins if guy like Vihari was playing instead of Pandya.This Indian team needs six batsmen away in SENA more than they need any bits and pieces player.

 

Stuart Binny won India an odi match with best figures does it make Binny a must for odis and Clarke has 6fer would Australia kept him in test team if stunk with bat.

 

This teams needs extra batsmen more than they need a guy like Pandya in test matches.Irony is most people who want Pandya in the team are the same ones who want Vihari in the team for home season.

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26 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Yeah right Pandya won the test , if Pandya did not play and guy like Vihari played, those five wickets he took would have been taken by Indian fast bowlers like they did in many tests.

He took 5 wkts in a span of 5-6 overs which is why game turned so drastically surely other wud have taken but they didnt at that speed which was reality .

Pandya came to bowl in 20th and destroyed opp in span of 5 overs....if those bowlers had to they wud have done that till 20th over he came n did it in 5 overs

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 But those close losses could have turned into wins if guy like Vihari was playing instead of Pandya.This Indian team needs six batsmen away in SENA more than they need any bits and pieces player.

So why did we loose last test where vihari played???

Vihari didnt score a single 50 in Aus where we won 

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Stuart Binny won India an odi match with best figures does it make Binny a must for odis and Clarke has 6fer would Australia kept him in test team if stunk with bat.

Binny won a damp pitch where both team were struggling to even score 100 runs

Clarke got on a rank turner where both teams were struggling

 

In this game our team made 300+ runs in both innings  , pandya made runs . Clearly ur lack of understanding of conditions is bizarre comparing a good pitch to 2 unplayable ones

 

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This teams needs extra batsmen more than they need a guy like Pandya in test matches.Irony is most people who want Pandya in the team are the same ones who want Vihari in the team for home season.

where is it written that if u want pandya u cant vihari

I think most of us wud be ok if pandya doesnt play in India coz in India jadeja n ashwin become full all rounder and fats bowler get much rest coz spinner bowl max over unlike overseas where its exact opp. Vihari bowling is much more valuable in India

 

u clearly dont understand the diff between condition

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15 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

He took 5 wkts in a span of 5-6 overs which is why game turned so drastically surely other wud have taken but they didnt at that speed which was reality .

Pandya came to bowl in 20th and destroyed opp in span of 5 overs....if those bowlers had to they wud have done that till 20th over he came n did it in 5 overs

So why did we loose last test where vihari played???

Vihari didnt score a single 50 in Aus where we won 

Binny won a damp pitch where both team were struggling to even score 100 runs

Clarke got on a rank turner where both teams were struggling

 

In this game our team made 300+ runs in both innings  , pandya made runs . Clearly ur lack of understanding of conditions is bizarre comparing a good pitch to 2 unplayable ones

 

where is it written that if u want pandya u cant vihari

I think most of us wud be ok if pandya doesnt play in India coz in India jadeja n ashwin become full all rounder and fats bowler get much rest coz spinner bowl max over unlike overseas where its exact opp. Vihari bowling is much more valuable in India

 

u clearly dont understand the diff between condition

Don't want to repeat myself .

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23 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

He took 5 wkts in a span of 5-6 overs which is why game turned so drastically surely other wud have taken but they didnt at that speed which was reality .

Pandya came to bowl in 20th and destroyed opp in span of 5 overs....if those bowlers had to they wud have done that till 20th over he came n did it in 5 overs

Whenever Pandya has got the relatively hard ball, he has done well 

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2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

he was a good batsman problem was his team wasnt good enough to play which wasnt his fault. That guy his value around world in franchise cricket

 

arrey bhai .. meant that stats are misleading ..

yuzi is a mental midget .. if i am not wrong you yourself agreed and then complimented him saying that he is still a good bowler to clean up the tail 

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8 minutes ago, velu said:

 

arrey bhai .. meant that stats are misleading ..

yuzi is a mental midget .. if i am not wrong you yourself agreed and then complimented him saying that he is still a good bowler to clean up the tail 

i dnt call anyone mental midget....its unfair . I use to not rate him highly but he has improved a lot and has done really well. Despite lacking other skill and having competition from so many leggie he still has been able to keep his place

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