Gollum Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Go to the instagram page of any female celeb, sportwoman etc. Max perverted comments will be by Muslims (globally), then us Hindus from India. It is as though our men lose their mental balance when they see women, online stalking is almost like second habit these days. Something has gone awfully wrong in our society, all that ugliness manifests in SM pages where anonymity is an advantage, no more hiding now. If we are stereotyped in a particular way don't blame them white folk, accept that we have problems and look to change for the better. No society is perfect, ours has a huge problem when it comes to treatment of women. beetle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) Bihar: Communal uproar over gang-rape of a minor girl, police arrest accused Arbaaz and Shahbaz while 2 others Kalam and Sikandar still on the run Raping a minor in car whilst taking video. Then threatening her with that video and raping her again. But since communal harmony has been maintained after the saga, all izz well. Edited December 4, 2019 by Gollum beetle, sergio04 and Suhaan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alam_dar Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 2 hours ago, beetle said: Why should this system come back?...just so the men can have sex, produce children and have someone to wash and cook for them? You think women are some kind of item that can be shared because men need women and there aren't any left. What kind of sick thinking is this ? Bastards should have stopped little girls from being aborted . First they treat females like dosposable items,then they think they can sort out the mess created by just sharing the existing women. There is some misunderstanding here. (1) In China, it is not about "sharing", it is about "consensual" relationship. Nobody is forcing any woman. But if any woman want to have multiple partners, then such partnership should be allowed legally. Even in the ancient tribes, it is was not forced upon the women, but it was the choice of woman to have one or multiple husbands. (2) I totally agree that it is sick thinking to have a male child only. This thinking should be changed and I am sure already this thing has changed a lot. Younger generation thinks differently from the older generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergio04 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Suhaan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alam_dar Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Gollum said: Based on SM reaction many peacefuls are overjoyed, even women in that community are celebrating the gruesome rape/murder. If any Muslim is celebrating these rapes/murders, then it is a crime. Every one who celebrates, should be sent to the prison. But Mr. Ravish has not celebrated such rapes/murders by Muslims, but he has been blamed and criticised by the Hindu right ONLY due to the reason that he exposed the face of Hindu Right when they were supporting the Hindu communal hatred crime including rape and murder of a Muslim girl. Court decision has already proven that Hindu Right was totally wrong in supporting those criminals. But instead of accepting their mistake, still Hindu Right is attacking Secularists like Mr. Ravish. This behaviour of Hindu right is making them a criminal too just like the Muslims who support rape/murder of any Hindu girl. 3 hours ago, Suhaan said: Lol you are naive or act like one,there are thousands of your brethern who are celebrating this Please brother, this behaviour of blaming others will not bring reformation to the society. Muslim right as well as HIndu right, ALL needed to be criticised for their wrong-doings. We are Humans first. Let us act like humans then, and not as part of any religious group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergio04 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: If any Muslim is celebrating these rapes/murders, then it is a crime. Every one who celebrates, should be sent to the prison. But Mr. Ravish has not celebrated such rapes/murders by Muslims, but he has been blamed and criticised by the Hindu right ONLY due to the reason that he exposed the face of Hindu Right when they were supporting the Hindu communal hatred crime including rape and murder of a Muslim girl. Court decision has already proven that Hindu Right was totally wrong in supporting those criminals. But instead of accepting their mistake, still Hindu Right is attacking Secularists like Mr. Ravish. This behaviour of Hindu right is making them a criminal too just like the Muslims who support rape/murder of any Hindu girl. Please brother, this behaviour of blaming others will not bring reformation to the society. Muslim right as well as HIndu right, ALL needed to be criticised for their wrong-doings. We are Humans first. Let us act like humans then, and not as part of any religious group. Lol ... https://www.opindia.com/2019/11/ndtv-nidhi-razdan-wins-award-for-atrocious-lie-ridden-coverage-of-kathua/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alam_dar Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 21 minutes ago, sergio04 said: Lol ... https://www.opindia.com/2019/11/ndtv-nidhi-razdan-wins-award-for-atrocious-lie-ridden-coverage-of-kathua/amp/ In name of Humanity, please see the Truth and then upheld it. This article by the Hindu Right is the example of how blind they are and how big lies are told by them and how to make false propaganda. Please read the article yourself. And then read the "Court Verdict". According to the "Court Verdict": (1) Sanji Ram, the caretaker of the temple where the crime took place, Special Police Officer Deepak Khajuria and Parvesh Kumar, a civilian, have been convicted under Ranbir Penal Code sections pertaining to criminal conspiracy, murder, kidnapping, gangrape, destruction of evidence, drugging the victim and common intention. They have been sentenced to life imprisonment and fined Rs 1 lakh each for murder. (2) Five year jail term has been announced for the three cops - SI Anand Dutta, head constable Tilak Raj and special police officer Surender Verma, accused of destroying evidence. Court Verdict is proving that Secularists, NDTV, Mr. Ravish, Nidhi Razdan .... all of them were 100% correct, while Hindu Right was totally wrong and it behaved the worst possible way to stop and destroy the Justice. What else could I say. The Court Verdict is enough if we really have Humanity in us. But if we are blinded due to our communal hatred, then humanity has already been dead and we can never find the True Path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 19 hours ago, Alam_dar said: China is also facing this same problem, and the men are now openly demanding the law where one woman is allowed to marry two or more men legally and form a family. Although China is an atheist country, but still government is not allowing it in name of Chinese Traditions. Although they may live like this privately without marriage, if they have enough money. It is my opinion too. In these situation, we have to change the religious and cultural teachings of one man one woman marriage concept. There are many ancient tribes where one woman has multiple husbands and they successfully had such family system for the last thousands of years. Polyandry is extremely rare in humans and in those societies, it’s the brother of the woman who fulfills the role of the father. Which is same old man and woman to raise a kid, but with more convoluted process of uncle and not dad raising the kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Alam_dar said: There is some misunderstanding here. (1) In China, it is not about "sharing", it is about "consensual" relationship. Nobody is forcing any woman. But if any woman want to have multiple partners, then such partnership should be allowed legally. Even in the ancient tribes, it is was not forced upon the women, but it was the choice of woman to have one or multiple husbands. (2) I totally agree that it is sick thinking to have a male child only. This thinking should be changed and I am sure already this thing has changed a lot. Younger generation thinks differently from the older generation. It is allowed legally. No one is going to jail for it in China either. It won’t enjoy equal privileges as monogamous couples, especially in financial matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddysaab Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 On 12/3/2019 at 12:32 PM, Alam_dar said: China is also facing this same problem, and the men are now openly demanding the law where one woman is allowed to marry two or more men legally and form a family. Although China is an atheist country, but still government is not allowing it in name of Chinese Traditions. Although they may live like this privately without marriage, if they have enough money. It is my opinion too. In these situation, we have to change the religious and cultural teachings of one man one woman marriage concept. There are many ancient tribes where one woman has multiple husbands and they successfully had such family system for the last thousands of years. this is some bullshet. maybe in a weird emasculated society this weird shite might happen but it wont be accepted in India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alam_dar Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 28 minutes ago, Reddysaab said: this is some bullshet. maybe in a weird emasculated society this weird shite might happen but it wont be accepted in India. There are many things which were Taboo in the past, but have become normal today. Children without father were called Bastards in the past, but today these children are not considered and not dealt as Bastards in the society, but they get equal respect in the Western Society. Boy friend and girl friend relationship has become normal. West lost the madness of girl should be virgin at night of marriage. Gay couples have got the legal rights too. It is not about only woman having multiple partners or only man having multiple wives, but it is about Free will of man and woman. If they want to have multiple partners, then it should be legally accepted. The concept of monogamy is old one and does not cover the needs of whole society. If some people want to have monogamous relationship, then they are totally free for that. But if they want to live their life in multiple relationships, then it should also be allowed. Muloghonto and Reddysaab 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: There are many things which were Taboo in the past, but have become normal today. Children without father were called Bastards in the past, but today these children are not considered and not dealt as Bastards in the society, but they get equal respect in the Western Society. They get equal respect in a society that does not respect the need for both parents to be in the life of the kid. Everywhere else, this is still frowned upon , as it should be: our species is meant to be raised by both parents, not just one. This is why the west has the highest prevalence rate of mental illnesses, which also correspondingly shot through the roof in Japan and Korea as soon as they normalized single parenthoods like the west. 13 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: Boy friend and girl friend relationship has become normal. West lost the madness of girl should be virgin at night of marriage. Nothing mad about insisting on the virginity of a woman, when that woman’s virginity and loyalty is the only guarantor to lineage and inheritance. This is why farming societies cared a whole lot more about women’s chastity than nomads or hunter gatherers, since they are based on inheritance and the latter ones are not. 13 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: Gay couples have got the legal rights too. It is not about only woman having multiple partners or only man having multiple wives, but it is about Free will of man and woman. If they want to have multiple partners, then it should be legally accepted. ONLY if it’s mutually consented between all parties concerned. Ie, if wife had a problem with you getting a second wife, that has to be factored in. 13 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: The concept of monogamy is old one and does not cover the needs of whole society. It covers the needs of the overwhelming majority of society and overwhelming majority of people who intend to have kids. 13 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: If some people want to have monogamous relationship, then they are totally free for that. But if they want to live their life in multiple relationships, then it should also be allowed. But they will never get the same financial freedoms as a monogamous couple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, Alam_dar said: (1) In China, it is not about "sharing", it is about "consensual" relationship. Nobody is forcing any woman. But if any woman want to have multiple partners, then such partnership should be allowed legally. Even in the ancient tribes, it is was not forced upon the women, but it was the choice of woman to have one or multiple husbands. Oh...yeah...because women in oppressive patriarchal societies have so much choice over their lives. Once it starts and it benefits men and their families,then it becomes societal pressure and then the culture. It is good the govt is not accepting this. Edited December 5, 2019 by beetle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 6 hours ago, Reddysaab said: this is some bullshet. maybe in a weird emasculated society this weird shite might happen but it wont be accepted in India. It happens in India in some places even now . What emasculation?. It is more an oppression of the scarce women for the sake of men getting a family life . Not accepted in India? Remember Pandavs and Draupadi?Widely accepted and never heard any one raise an eyebrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turning_track Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 What is up with mainstream media in India nowadays - going to the home of the rapist's & interviewing their parents, other family members? Why this urge to get their side of view? Does it even matter now when they've committed such heinous crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, Turning_track said: What is up with mainstream media in India nowadays - going to the home of the rapist's & interviewing their parents, other family members? Why this urge to get their side of view? Does it even matter now when they've committed such heinous crimes. Well, why are they, the relatives allowing it at first place? Its their Own decision and I cant fault them if they really want to express their pain/anguish... Alam_dar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 We really ought to focus on prevention than correction. These stronger laws only help in correction part, and not enough deterrence. Prevention, is all about good road safety, Well-lit roads, patrolling etc. It needs big infrastructure changes and till that happens, woman have to cautious on the roads after 7pm. Its unfortunate and affects freedom, but its essential to avoid travelling on their own after certain times of the day involving poor roads safety. Norman and Alam_dar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Mumbai: 60-year-old shopkeeper Abdul Hamid Ansari rapes a 6-year-old girl for days, arrested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergio04 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Gollum said: Mumbai: 60-year-old shopkeeper Abdul Hamid Ansari rapes a 6-year-old girl for days, arrested Muslims are on free run to rape kaffirs. It was always like that. We were fooled by congress party during partition. Suhaan and randomGuy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alam_dar Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 10 hours ago, beetle said: Oh...yeah...because women in oppressive patriarchal societies have so much choice over their lives. Once it starts and it benefits men and their families,then it becomes societal pressure and then the culture. It is good the govt is not accepting this. It seems to me that you are discussing the issue with the angle of Indian society in mind. I could understand your point of view here that women are dependant upon the families in India and could be forced for things that they don't want. I understand it, but one point here is this that girls could even be forced for one man relationship/marriage too, to whom she dislikes. Should we than forbid this one partner marriage too due to this risk? Muslims are allowed 4 wives. Despite this "risk", we don't see any significant numbers of Indian Muslims having multiple wives. Lesson which I see here is this that it is a difficult thing to manipulate the women at this level despite having full patriarchal Muslim society. Nevertheless, in China and European countries, this risk for women is even less that they could be forced for anything by their families. In Europe, the normal family structure of one husband and one wife is at the risk of being destroyed. Actually, the rate of divorce is increasing all over the world. Even in the rich Arabic Islamic countries like Abu Dhabi, Kuwait, Qatar the rate of divorce has gone to 50%. This is bringing a bad impact upon the children. One suggestion was this to change the family structure and polyandry might help in this regards. Polyandry has already been successfully practised in many societies of the world. Main concept in those families was many fathers are better than one father. Polyandry helps immensely in population control too. And thus it also safeguards the resources of the mother earth. This is what we learnt from the societies who practise polyandry. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyandry Polyandry is believed to be more likely in societies with scarce environmental resources. It is believed to limit human population growth and enhance child survival.[6][7] It is a rare form of marriage that exists not only among peasant families but also among the elite families.[8] For example, polyandry in the Himalayan mountains is related to the scarcity of land. The marriage of all brothers in a family to the same wife allows family land to remain intact and undivided. If every brother married separately and had children, family land would be split into unsustainable small plots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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