Public "obsessed" with winning ICC trophy

[SUMO]

Mr. Kohli if you are talking about process and preparation then let me tell you your prep was poor as well. No. 4 and wicket keeper were failing for couple of years before the wc.

[Mosher]

This "follow the process" nonsense was started by Dhoni now Kohli is continuing it. Dhoni used to talk about out the "process" when we were getting hammered in tests while Kohli brings it out after we fail to win an ICC trophy. 

[Stan AF]

1 minute ago, Mosher said:

This "follow the process" nonsense was started by Dhoni now Kohli is continuing it. Dhoni used to talk about out the "process" when we were getting hammered in tests while Kohli brings it out after we fail to win an ICC trophy. 

Absolutely. Dhoni is fcuking things up even when not in the scheme of things.

Edited December 2, 2019 by Stan AF

[Turning_track]

I think Ganguly was the first major or influential voice who raised the issue of India's inability to win ICC trophies in recent times . It is strange we've been faltering in the knockouts regularly & no administrator in the BCCI even spoke a word about it in the past. Where's the scrutiny even from the media about faltering in semis & finals?  
And honestly what's the problem with the obsession of an Indian fan who wants his team to fill the cupboard with these ICC trophies? The team is fine, we have the resources, talent available but still they come short like Proteas of the past.
Regarding the process part please do enjoy it, but in those crunch matches you have to make an extra effort to complete the task . Unfortunately when I watch them play I see the same old mindset of competing in a random bilateral series.  

[Mosher]

20 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

Absolutely. Dhoni is fcuking things up even when not in the scheme of things.

Well of course. Kohli is a huge Dhoni fanboy. 

 

[-Robin-]

This is the mindset of Indian captains they cant think beyond process lol

 

As if 4 years process is not enough to provide result.

[-Robin-]

Mr Kohli should be happy that he is playing in the era of mediocre teams while his team is best in indian history

[ganeshran]

Dont make excuses Kohli. Bilateral series matter only in tests.

 

In ODIs if we cant win silverware for 10 years then there's something wrong with the LOI setup

[Bigg Brother]

He is preaching as if He has done some major things in test matches, We were anyway unbeatable at Home.

 

Lost against England 1-4 but He was lecturing that final line(Results) doesnt suggest that how interesting and competitive series was, Same in SA after the so called chase master failed to chase even targets of 200. The Australian team with Smith,Warner and new Kid Labuschagne will eat this team alive next time. The guy is biggest pretender and fraudster, even more than Dhoni.

 

He should start winning some major trophies in ODIs otherwise he will always remembered as bilateral bully,the 60-70 centuries he will hit means zilch. Rohit is already a better white ball batsman than him.

[Cricwala]

1 hour ago, -Robin- said:

Mr Kohli should be happy that he is playing in the era of mediocre teams while his team is best in indian history

nailed it....failing to win in SA and Eng now when their teams are considerably weaker than 10-12 years back is a disgrace. In ODIs too, we have more depth and match-winners than most other teams (bar maybe England), but have failed to utilize the talent pool due to Kohlis arrogance and petty politics.

[putrevus]

Kohli is right in a sense that he needs to give more importance to process and become the best team they can become.Results will follow if they keep doing what they have been doing plus if they can find some talented batsmen.

 

The entitled Indian public think if Indian team does not win cups it is a failure, Talent does not grow on trees or just because BCCI is rich, Indian team does not have to be talented.There is one batsmen in this team who merits his place in all three formats and people expect miracles with this talent.

 

Fricking Indian teams with Sachin and fab4 lost to Zimbabwe, now we are classifying close losses in England and SA as some massive failures.What will be failure is if they fail to build on their previous tours and convert those losses to wins provided they have no injuries and it starts in NZ.

 

WI was the best team 1980s but they never won any world cup during 1980s.You need some luck to win these tournaments.Kohli has to show up in these knockouts too.

 

 

 

Edited December 2, 2019 by putrevus

[kirkutfan]

7 hours ago, Stan AF said:

I for one would never expect words of these sort to come out of a captain like Rohit Sharma. This guy is either just not interested/incapable of winning anything. Though I'm betting on the latter. No wonder he hasn't won even a single IPL Trophy.

Pay close attention when he does his press stuff, the “process” dialogue is there. Separately, I think he would do fine as a captain.  But, I think if he does do it on a full time basis, his drawbacks would show up too and he would take a similar beating from fans that Kohli does now. We will be pining for someone else.

[kirkutfan]

48 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Kohli is right in a sense that he needs to give more importance to process and become the best team they can become.Results will follow if they keep doing what they have been doing plus if they can find some talented batsmen.

 

The entitled Indian public think if Indian team does not win cups it is a failure, Talent does not grow on trees or just because BCCI is rich, Indian team does not have to be talented.There is one batsmen in this team who merits his place in all three formats and people expect miracles with this talent.

 

Fricking Indian teams with Sachin and fab4 lost to Zimbabwe, now we are classifying close losses in England and SA as some massive failures.What will be failure is if they fail to build on their previous tours and convert those losses to win provided they have no injuries and it starts in NZ.

 

WI was the best team 1980s but they never won any world cup during 1980s.You need some luck to win these tournaments.Kohli has to show up in these knockouts too.

 

 

 

And the other side in that semi final game was pretty good too. Trent Boult is no slouch. 

[putrevus]

Just now, kirkutfan said:

And the other side in that semi final game was pretty good too. Trent Boult is no slouch. 

NZ copped the same results as India in 1992, when they were best team in league phase only to be knocked out by very lucky Pakistan who barely made it to semis.

 

Do you want to be  Pakistan who by sheer luck won CT2017 and was/is stinking before and after that lucky win.

 

 

 

[ganeshran]

15 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Do you want to be  Pakistan who by sheer luck won CT2017 and was/is stinking before and after that lucky win.

 

These are not mutually exclusive outcomes and no one is arguing that process and bi-laterals are not important.

 

They absolutely are and Kohli and Bewda have done good work . But with LOIs if you go 10 odd years with a fairly strong team but no silverware in the cupboard, people are bound to ask questions

[putrevus]

3 minutes ago, ganeshran said:

These are not mutually exclusive outcomes and no one is arguing that process and bi-laterals are not important.

 

They absolutely are and Kohli and Bewda have done good work . But with LOIs if you go 10 odd years with a fairly strong team but no silverware in the cupboard, people are bound to ask questions

They are not mutually exclusive I understand that , weird things have happened Ashwin bowling a no ball in T20 semis, Bumrah bowling no ball in CT 2017 and rainout happening in semis and NZ getting to start fresh next day.I am not offering excuses but these have happened, I don't think the team lost by being inept or lazy.They just got beat and Kohli also knows he needs to win few tournaments to be classfied as a great team.

 

They have been handed over very unbalanced teams.Bowlers cannot bat , batsmen cannot bowl.Adding to their woes they had one of the worst selection committees who have no foresight.

 

Which Indian team in their history competed in all the overseas tours.Teams have to learn how to win, even the great Australian team failed to win in 2001.India with their putrid travel history is learning to win these tough series.To win you need to be able to compete and take 20 wickets.It has done both but they had horrible openers and many batsmen did not show up .

 

If they fail to build on their last SENA tours then we have an issue IMO.

 

[Cricwala]

Kohli apologists don't get one simple thing, or they pretend not to - no one is expecting any team to win all tournaments, and no one is comparing Kohli's team with past teams (it is Shastri who started that d**k measuring contest on Kohli's behalf, although he has piped down now.)

 

of course, losses are a part of any game, but expecting a team to learn from losses is also normal. What people are against is inability to introspect, inventing excuses and pretending as if everything is ok when obvious gaps exist in the teams gameplan. The apologists' refusal to see obvious flaws in Kohli's thinking and inability to groom players, and just rubbishing those players with potential for not delivering, is also amusing. Let's just wait for next SENA cycle before commenting is a bit like saying let's wait for the result of the next exam before asking a student to rectify obvious flaws in preparation.

 

 

 

 

[putrevus]

What Kohli's detractors fail to understand, this team has come long way from Chandimal's match.It has shown improvement every series.It has become ruthless.To groom players you need talented players too, they tried to groom guys like Rahul and Pandya.It is not their fault they stunk.They choose Bumrah over Ishant when they could have easily gone with Ishant.Did they make any mistakes yes,they did but which team does not make those mistakes.

 

This Indian team is fittest team in their history and is one of best fielding teams in the world when was last time an Indian team was this good in fielding.

 

MMQB can be done against any result.Kohli is saddled with one of the worst battting groups.They have just given debuts to Mayank ,Shaw and Vihari, if Shaw fails his drug test is it their fault.Kohli was saddled with team without its captain as that captain had enough with those losses and choose to quit midway thru the series.Kohli has led the team not by just talking but he walked the talk to with his bat too by being best batsmen in all formats in world .Has he delivered in knockout matches no, he has not and 2019 semi final loss is totally on him failing to deliver for his team.

 

He has made that team which was languishing at no7 to  world no1 team for three years in running.

 

He has resurrected the careers of Shami, Umesh and Ishant.He has made Indian bowling a force to reckon, he has laid ground work for this team to compete and win in any conditions.

 

If people have unreliastic expectations how is it his problem.To win world cups and overseas series you need great players too and luck.He needs some talented players .Who are those who have been left out?

 

 

Edited December 2, 2019 by putrevus

[ShoonyaSifar]

Forget winning an ICC trophy, has Kohli, as a captain, won any trophy other than bilaterals even in domestic or A cricket? Can’t quite remember any such accomplishment.

[ShoonyaSifar]

28 minutes ago, putrevus said:

What Kohli's detractors fail to understand, this team has come long way from Chandimal's match.It has shown improvement every series.It has become ruthless.To groom players you need talented players too, they tried to groom guys like Rahul and Pandya.It is not their fault they stunk.They choose Bumrah over Ishant when they could have easily gone with Ishant.Did they make any mistakes yes,they did but which team does not make those mistakes.

 

This Indian team is fittest team in their history and is one of best fielding teams in the world when was last time an Indian team was this good in fielding.

 

MMQB can be done against any result.Kohli is saddled with one of the worst battting groups.They have just given debuts to Mayank ,Shaw and Vihari, if Shaw fails his drug test is it their fault.Kohli was saddled with team without its captain as that captain had enough with those losses and choose to quit midway thru the series.Kohli has led the team not by just talking but he walked the talk to with his bat too by being best batsmen in all formats in world .Has he delivered in knockout matches no, he has not and 2019 semi final loss is totally on him failing to deliver for his team.

 

He has made that team which was languishing at no7 to  world no1 team for three years in running.

 

He has resurrected the careers of Shami, Umesh and Ishant.He has made Indian bowling a force to reckon, he has laid ground work for this team to compete and win in any conditions.

 

If people have unreliastic expectations how is it his problem.To win world cups and overseas series you need great players too and luck.He needs some talented players .Who are those who have been left out?

 

 

LOL can you come up with better excuses please.

 

Let’s see how Kohli ‘resurrected’ careers of Shami and Umesh by not picking them in knock outs of two ICC trophies which he promptly went onto lose. Umesh in 2017 CT and Shami in 2019 WC were the two in-form pacers. Kohli gave them confidence by benching them for Bhuvi Kumar as he offered ‘control’! Some way to motivate players that.

 

Then come Kuldeep and Chahal. From July 2017 to Oct 2018, both won match after match for India bowling in tandem during the middle overs home or away. But then Kohli suddenly rediscovered the control Jadeja offered. Do you remember how many times Kuldeep/Chahal were benched before the WC as Kohli preferred Jadeja. No wonder both of them had lost rhythm and it showed in the WC. Someway to get your premier spinners ready for the WC.

 

Less said about his batting choices, the better.

 

Thats that for LOIs.

 

In tests, two away series of note we played were vs SA and England. Both again lost due to incompetent captaincy and baffling team selections as kaptaan saahib was busy playing a game of roulette picking and dropping players at his whim.

 

Be happy with the stats padding vs WI, SL, SA in transition, Aus and BD missing two main players. The upcoming NZ series will show the real strength of this test team, like the Eng and SA tours did earlier. Whom will you blame for the inevitable? Not difficult to guess.