Gollum Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) MSK Prasad opens up on his tenure as chief selector, says no regrets over leaving 1 year before T20 World Cup LINK Did this over and over again to all of us , WOAT selector Thala will miss him Edited December 4, 2019 by Gollum speedheat, Suhaan, Laaloo and 4 others 7 Link to comment
maniac Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 To be honest he was a rubber stamp selector, however within his abilities, he did select every prospect that was talked about on ICF into the Indian team. Can someone tell me a player who didn't play for India yet that was hyped here on ICF? Poor guy, no BCCI and the axis of evil made it worse for him. Shaw,Gill,Saini,Aggarwal,Vihari,Siraj,Pant,Krunal,Sundar,Shankar even hyped up hacks like Dube all made debut in his tenure. Rayudu was dropped as per people's wishes. Wasn't the worst by any means Cricwala, Dada's Army, AuxiliA and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment
sandeep Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 21 minutes ago, maniac said: To be honest he was a rubber stamp selector, however within his abilities, he did select every prospect that was talked about on ICF into the Indian team. Can someone tell me a player who didn't play for India yet that was hyped here on ICF? Poor guy, no BCCI and the axis of evil made it worse for him. Shaw,Gill,Saini,Aggarwal,Vihari,Siraj,Pant,Krunal,Sundar,Shankar even hyped up hacks like Dube all made debut in his tenure. Rayudu was dropped as per people's wishes. Wasn't the worst by any means What region is Prasad from? What domestic team did he play for? Link to comment
maniac Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, sandeep said: What region is Prasad from? What domestic team did he play for? Represented India as a player. Served India as a selector Norman 1 Link to comment
sandeep Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, maniac said: Represented India as a player. Served India as a selector Well said Bharat Sipahi! Chor ki daddhi mein tinka Link to comment
maniac Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, sandeep said: Well said Bharat Sipahi! Chor ki daddhi mein tinka I have criticized MSK many times here for being a Wuss. In fact I am still saying he was a wuss for giving in to the axis of evil. However he also did select and give break to a lot of youngsters. How they were handled in the squad and what opportunities were given to them is not on him. Apart from Mavi and Nagarkotti who were injured, every youngster hyped on ICF was picked in the team. sometimes not a good thing obviously in case of guys like Dube etc. Tell me one guy who missed out from not being selected in his tenure? Also sometimes I played along with the Rayudu thing but you missed the part when I criticized when he came back into the team on the basis of IPL and even after he flunked the initial yoyo test. However he did get unfairly dropped right before the WC event after being in the scheme of things for over a year and that too for Vijay Shankar of all people despite being adequate during his run and not having anyone even remotely ready to fill in. In fact funny thing is I have seen you have more or less similar opinions on the above but obviously you lose all subjectivity or is it objectivity when it comes from me Edited December 4, 2019 by maniac Link to comment
Khota Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) Not sticking with Rayduu and Jadhav after investing so much was a mistake on his part. Bringing Shankar in before the WC is a blunder. India should/could have won this cup id Raydu and Jadhav were playing. Final Grade : 6/10 Edited December 5, 2019 by Khota sergio04 and velu 2 Link to comment
Dada's Army Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) I think you're kidding yourself if you think he had any real control. In a revealing press conference after the WC, MSK talked about how specific 'requests' from team management ( Kohli + RS) influenced selection decisions of Shankar/Pant/Mayank in the squad. link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nwoQIeK98E ( from 1:23 ) Anybody who knows about the Kumble sacking should know what happens to people in the system who go against Kohli's 'requests'. If someone of Kumble's stature wasn't enough to overcome this fact, a small fry like MSK had no chance. I think he realised this and tried to do the best that he could. He would have realised that he had a say in the selection, but that was all it was- a say. And I agree with Maniac, he selected pretty decent teams(at least those that were in his control). Edited December 5, 2019 by Dada's Army Cricwala, nevada, maniac and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
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R!TTER Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 7 hours ago, maniac said: Poor guy, no BCCI and the axis of evil made it worse for him. You mean Brat, Cheers leader & Dhongi maniac, raki05 and nevada 1 2 Link to comment
nevada Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Dada's Army said: I think you're kidding yourself if you think he had any real control. In a revealing press conference after the WC, MSK talked about how specific 'requests' from team management ( Kohli + RS) influenced selection decisions of Shankar/Pant/Mayank in the squad. link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nwoQIeK98E ( from 1:23 ) Anybody who knows about the Kumble sacking should know what happens to people in the system who go against Kohli's 'requests'. If someone of Kumble's stature wasn't enough to overcome this fact, a small fry like MSK had no chance. I think he realised this and tried to do the best that he could. He would have realised that he had a say in the selection, but that was all it was- a say. And I agree with Maniac, he selected pretty decent teams(at least those that were in his control). MSK looks like a decent man with an eye for talent who did a respectable job despite working with his hands tied. He picked the likes of Pant, Gill in the squad and spoke positively about them. It is the so called team management which screwed with them. He did not give in to regionalism - for right or wrong, he dropped Rayudu despite both of them having played for Andhra. Also, he had the balls to say Dhoni is not in the scheme of things after the world cup. If only a sensible captain and coach were in place, MSK's tenure would have been very successful. It is entirely on Kohli for not nurturing and developing young talent in the team. Heck, he destroyed even veterans like Pujara and Rahane. Cricwala, sarcastic, maniac and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 9 hours ago, maniac said: To be honest he was a rubber stamp selector, yup dont know how much u can blame him when the guy was merely taking dictation from kohli in meetings. Half of the time i just feel he had to justify kohli lack of patience with some logic which in the end sounded absurd Link to comment
express bowling Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) During his tenure ---- Minuses ---- ---- Not a single new fast bowler has been successfully introduced in ODIs or tests. ---- Even for India-A, Saini is the only fast bowler who has got regular chances. All the other regulars have been trundlers. ---- Mixing up formats. Dhawan, Shami, Pandey etc. picked for T20Is. ( They are good in ODIs but not in T20s ) Siraj introduced via T20I route despite being good primarily in the 5 day format. ---- No new batsman had been successfully introduced in ODIs before the World Cup, despite glaring gaps in the middle order. Iyer has been the only successful introduction in recent times. ---- Followed the dreaded " Queue System ". Players who became India prospects earlier were usually preferred even if that player was mediocre ... and a new superlative talent came up. Pluses ---- ---- Introduction of wrist spin twins, Kuldeep and Chahal, in LOIs. --- Introducing Shaw, Mayank, Gill and Vihari in tests. ( Pant's introduction was a forced one after Parthiv and Karthick failed ) ---- Some good new players tried in T20Is. Edited December 5, 2019 by express bowling nevada, Suhaan, Mosher and 2 others 5 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 'Kohli & his ego' decides every thing eventually. That being the case MSK,Sastri etc can only be a name sakes. nevada 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 hour ago, express bowling said: During his tenure ---- Minuses ---- ---- Not a single new fast bowler has been successfully introduced in ODIs or tests. ---- Even for India-A, Saini is the only fast bowler who has got regular chances. All the other regulars have been trundlers. ---- Mixing up formats. Dhawan, Shami, Pandey etc. picked for T20Is. ( They are good in ODIs but not in T20s ) Siraj introduced via T20I route despite being good primarily in the 5 day format. ---- No new batsman had been successfully introduced in ODIs before the World Cup, despite glaring gaps in the middle order. Iyer has been the only successful introduction in recent times. ---- Followed the dreaded " Queue System ". Players who became India prospects earlier were usually preferred even if that player was mediocre ... and a new superlative talent came up. + getting dhawan back in test cricket based on lanka bashing + selection of thakur ahead of siraj in test cricket + a lot of pref to finger spinners in A-games + dropping nair after one series from squad only + Not resting top players in many easy series 1 hour ago, express bowling said: --- Introducing Shaw, Mayank, Gill and Vihari in tests. ( Pant's introduction was a forced one after Parthiv and Karthick failed ) Even shaw n mayank selection were forced as vijay, rahul, dhawan failed. One of those shud have gotten in team way back specially mayank as dhawan was proven failure overseas in test express bowling and Mosher 2 Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 The playing 11 is not that good and he feels the bench players are good. express bowling 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 8 hours ago, Khota said: Not sticking with Rayduu and Jadhav after investing so much was a mistake on his part. But they have stuck with jadhav.....he was dropped from playing XI by captain. Selectors select squad ...captain selects playing XI jadhav is still persisted knowing he ll be on a very wrong side of age by 2023 Wc Link to comment
Khota Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: But they have stuck with jadhav.....he was dropped from playing XI by captain. Selectors select squad ...captain selects playing XI jadhav is still persisted knowing he ll be on a very wrong side of age by 2023 Wc Captain needs to be faulted for that. As far as age is concerned you know my views well. I am not too mesmerized by young ones. I think experience brings a lot to the table. Both CT and WC were very winnable. Kohli also needs to go. Link to comment
sandeep Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 4 hours ago, maniac said: I have criticized MSK many times here for being a Wuss. In fact I am still saying he was a wuss for giving in to the axis of evil. However he also did select and give break to a lot of youngsters. How they were handled in the squad and what opportunities were given to them is not on him. Apart from Mavi and Nagarkotti who were injured, every youngster hyped on ICF was picked in the team. sometimes not a good thing obviously in case of guys like Dube etc. Tell me one guy who missed out from not being selected in his tenure? Also sometimes I played along with the Rayudu thing but you missed the part when I criticized when he came back into the team on the basis of IPL and even after he flunked the initial yoyo test. However he did get unfairly dropped right before the WC event after being in the scheme of things for over a year and that too for Vijay Shankar of all people despite being adequate during his run and not having anyone even remotely ready to fill in. In fact funny thing is I have seen you have more or less similar opinions on the above but obviously you lose all subjectivity or is it objectivity when it comes from me There's no doubt that Prasad's actual clout as Selector was limited. And we will never know who ultimately made the decisions that led to the middle order batting problems keep rotting and festering in the Indian team in the 2 years leading up to the WC. But an argument can be made that Rayudu was given a far longer rope than someone like say, a Shreyas Iyer, who was jettisoned from the ODI team in spite of doing quite well. Did regionalism play a role in that? At the end of the day, I don't think that its regionalism that leads you to support Prasad, nor do I care if it is. I wanted to give you a taste of your own medicine - throwing around accusations of bias as a "joke". Didn't quite like the taste when it was flipped around on you did you? Felt the need to write multiple paragraphs defending yourself, including a 2 fisted Bharat Sipahi. But I expect you to never learn and keep throwing trash at me. What's that they say in "Naarth India" about dog's tails and 7 years in steel pipes... Link to comment
sandeep Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 5 hours ago, express bowling said: ---- Mixing up formats. Dhawan, Shami, Pandey etc. picked for T20Is. ( They are good in ODIs but not in T20s ) Siraj introduced via T20I route despite being good primarily in the 5 day format. ---- No new batsman had been successfully introduced in ODIs before the World Cup, despite glaring gaps in the middle order. Iyer has been the only successful introduction in recent times. +1. Siraj could have been something special. Still can be. But he has spent his last couple of seasons chasing "control" with the white ball instead of being the best he can be with the red ball. On the "senioritis" regarding T20 batsmen, I'm not sure we can blame Prasad for that, its a consistent policy implemented by the team before and after him. Prasad was well-intentioned, but his priorities were 'fairness' in selection, not building the best possible team, or identifying and supporting the brightest talents around. And of course hindsight is 20-20, but a look back to the years leading up the ODI WC, and one wonders exactly why it was that Rayudu and his 75 SR got chance after chance after chance as the spare middle order batsman, while Shreyas Iyer was given a couple of games against SA and then chucked aside. Would it have made a difference if Shreyas was from Andhra instead of Ambati? I don't know. Maybe it was Virat and his documented historical preference for "experienced" players. Maybe it was a selfish $-driven instinct to throw up higher barriers for younger batsmen who could quickly become advertising favorites in a market pre-disposed to chase younger and and younger stars. We'll never know. Link to comment
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