Chahar vs Bhuvi

[vvvslaxman]

Chahar is a better new ball bowler. Bhuvi is a better death ball bowler. Both can bat a bit. Who do you think is more likely to make early inroads with new ball? Can't play both with Pandya coming in. If they do they will have to drop a spinner which is not ideal.

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

Chahar is a better new ball bowler. Bhuvi is a better death ball bowler. Both can bat a bit. Who do you think is more likely to make early inroads with new ball? Can't play both with Pandya coming in. If they do they will have to drop a spinner which is not ideal.

None of the two will be dropped. They will drop Dubey.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

None of the two will be dropped. They will drop Dubey.

 

Playing 2 medium paced swing bowlers together in every T20I match ... in non-swinging conditions ... would reduce the efficacy of both these swing bowlers. 

 

 

[Suhaan]

Playing both of them is recipe for disaster 

Chahar's honeymoon period is over

[maniac]

Apples to Apples,Bhuvi is better.

[jf1gp_1]

2 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Playing both of them is recipe for disaster 

Chahar's honeymoon period is over

after one game ? his numbers would have looked far better if rohit had taken that catch and people had fielded properly. Also yesterdays condition seemed so heavily tilted towards batsman that's its unfair to judge any bowlers yesterdays performance

[Stan AF]

Neither.

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, Cricspin said:

have not seen Chahar much but Bhubi does hit 135-145 very often.. that's not that bad if the bowling is accurate..

 

Bhuvi bowls those speeds mostly during the IPL.  Rarely seen him bowl 145 k in ODIs.  In international T20s, he is usually 130 k to 140 k and goes up to 143 k in some matches.

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Cricspin said:

just speed is over rated here.

 

Who has wanted just speed on this forum !!  The demand is for skilled quick bowlers like Bumrah and Shami.

 

And the issue is not just about speeds  ... but every team needs some hit the deck bowlers when the ball is not swinging. Can't have just floaty swing bowlers filling the team.

[maniac]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Playing 2 medium paced swing bowlers together in every T20I match ... in non-swinging conditions ... would reduce the efficacy of both these swing bowlers. 

 

 

I feel one good swing bowler is a must for T20, even if they get 2 good overs with the new ball and get 1 or 2 top order batsmen to nick, that breaks the opposition. T20 is a game of  taking wickets. 
 

Obviously 2 bowlers of the same kind is a disaster. So whoever is in better form and rhythm one of them has to play 

[maniac]

Bhuvi has lost his swing, even if he is bowling 140k gun barrel straight at his height he will he cannon fodder. Chahar at 130-135 with swing has more utility at this point.

 

However Bhuvi is the best death bowler after Bumrah in India at this point, but unfortunately playing both him and Chahar makes the attack very ordinary.

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, jf1gp_1 said:

after one game ? his numbers would have looked far better if rohit had taken that catch and people had fielded properly. Also yesterdays condition seemed so heavily tilted towards batsman that's its unfair to judge any bowlers yesterdays performance

Read my post again before quoting me

[maniac]

Chahar has had success on dry pitches and might also be effective in all formats in Sc conditions as well as Eng,Nzl and even SA.

 

However on Aussie pitches with kookaburra ball and on flat pitches he might get hammered.

 

No denying he has some skills, can he put on some pace without sacrificing skills like it happened with Bhuvi remains to be seen

[rkt.india]

13 minutes ago, maniac said:

Bhuvi has lost his swing, even if he is bowling 140k gun barrel straight at his height he will he cannon fodder. Chahar at 130-135 with swing has more utility at this point.

 

However Bhuvi is the best death bowler after Bumrah in India at this point, but unfortunately playing both him and Chahar makes the attack very ordinary.

No, he hasn't lost his swing. Swing depends on conditions. All swing bowlers are condition dependent. Ball hardly swings in these Indian conditions with white ball.

[express bowling]

20 minutes ago, maniac said:

I feel one good swing bowler is a must for T20, even if they get 2 good overs with the new ball and get 1 or 2 top order batsmen to nick, that breaks the opposition. T20 is a game of  taking wickets. 
 

Obviously 2 bowlers of the same kind is a disaster. So whoever is in better form and rhythm one of them has to play 

 

Can't have one dimensional bowlers if we plan to play just 2 specialist pacers.

 

Ideally, one would like to find a pacer who can swing the new ball ... and then hit the deck hard for bounce and seam movement when the swing dies down ... and has good quick yorkers and slower balls at the death.

 

 

Edited December 7, 2019 by express bowling

[maniac]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

No, he hasn't lost his swing. Swing depends on conditions. All swing bowlers are condition dependent. Ball hardly swings in these Indian conditions with white ball.

Chahar has been getting movement till today’s game in IPL as well as other games.

 

Today was a total patta with no external weather help either , so give him some benefit of the doubt 

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

No, he hasn't lost his swing. Swing depends on conditions. All swing bowlers are condition dependent. Ball hardly swings in these Indian conditions with white ball.

 

Chahar got more swing than Bhuvi with the new ball in the same conditions yesterday.

[rkt.india]

26 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Chahar got more swing than Bhuvi with the new ball in the same conditions yesterday.

It also depends on whether he is trying to swing the ball or not.   He usually bowls defensively in LOIs.

[Ankit_sharma03]

35 minutes ago, maniac said:

However on Aussie pitches with kookaburra ball and on flat pitches he might get hammered.

I think he ll get more help as most games wud be under lights and aussies pitches does offer more pace n bounce then indian pitches

 

[express bowling]

5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

It also depends on whether he is trying to swing the ball or not.   He usually bowls defensively in LOIs.

 

What is the purpose of having a swing bowler if he is neither trying to swing the new ball nor trying to take wickets upfront  ?

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

I have a better question who will be our 4th seamer ??

Chahar, bhuvi, bumrah are going unless someone looses form or fitness

 

Saini- high chance but even he looked in bother in t20s as batsman like pace and his lack of variation didnt help

Khaleel- have been tonked

Shami- never been a good t20 bowler 

Rajpoot n prasidh- havent been consistent for their franchises as well

mavi- long shot

Edited December 7, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03