Stop Comparing our youngsters to WI youngsters in terms of power game, those guys are genetically better for that role

[Gollum]

Darren Sammy is a veg eating (no onion, garlic) Iyer from Mylapore....what genetics?

 

He looks like the mighty Azog

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 minutes ago, SecondSlip said:

Hahahaha I love how you completely ignored my point on List A (Domestic ODI) cricket. So you brought in IPL where even a 40 year old Dhoni bats like Bradman. 

Do u knw how our List A happens....look at the scores n pitches every year.  Some pitches are unplayable....

If List A was made a rule even hardik cant get in the team 

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Oh so you want to talk about the World Cup? Well did you know that Pooran scored 118 with 4 sixes chasing 339 against Sri Lanka coming in at #5 with his team’s score at 70-3! Here’s the reference: https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8039/scorecard/1144521/sri-lanka-vs-west-indies-39th-match-icc-cricket-world-cup-2019

how many games did pant play in Wc ?

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Just pay close attention when both of them are batting and you can see that Pooran can play shots all around the ground and maintain his shape and not throw his wicket away. Pant is inferior in all 3 of these qualities. 
 

u loose ur shape or not the point is to get runs , loosing shape becomes better with time 

Pooran doesnt commit on front foot hence he is weak outside off.....even pooran has his weakness 

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Pant has been on the edge? Really? The guy has played all our LOI matches since the World Cup ended! But I do agree with you that he is a good test cricketer and should never have been dropped for Saha! 

Playing under scrutiny is playing on edge , u can give anyone 100 games but if u keep them under pressure their is no pressure.

Pooran coming to play with secure place is diff then pant coming out in fear that samson, dhoni , dk will replace him is diff. No one told pooran about his game....here 10 ppl have told pant 10 diff things. Also pooran is 24  n pant is 21....maturty matters. Pooran plays in a country where no one screams dhoni Dhoni when he drops a catch 

[vvvslaxman]

27 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

Kohli said the team batted well till 16th over and only fell below par in the last 4. This approach is what would keep tanking this team. There is no talent or personnel problem with this team. There's a leadership problem - conservative and inflexible in the format that rewards innovation.

 

Still, the situation is salvageable. Ousting the fraud Jadeja would help, as would playing both Pandya and Dube. Shaw is a must for turbocharged opening start. Even if it means playing Rahul down the order. KL isnt shy of going aerial so he wouldn't be wasted down the order.

 

My tentative order would look like Shaw, Rohit, Kohli, Rahul, Pant, Hardik, Dube, Sundar, Kul/Cha, Bhuvi/Chahar, Bumrah.

KL Rahul must open. Rohit is the actual slower starter in T20. 

[vvvslaxman]

India will come up severely short in the world T20. If they don't find a solid reliable 5,6,7. Be prepared for the early exit. Only way we can win T20 is by bowling well. If India needs to outbat the opposition top 3 must click big time. 

[Shaukat]

59 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Pakistani are not born beggars

Imagine how it feels being a pakistani

Aby Chal Inferior Genes

You know Whats common in stray dogs and you people , Both are Malnourished

 

And one more thing , Both Hate taking $hit in toilets

 

 

[Suhaan]

28 minutes ago, Shaukat said:

Aby Chal Inferior Genes

You know Whats common in stray dogs and you people , Both are Malnourished

 

And one more thing , Both Hate taking $hit in toilets

 

 

Abay chal ghatiya nasl

Bhikmange,

Bottom dwellers,naali ka keeda,

[cowboysfan]

cricket even in T20 is not all about power as evidenced by Kohli,our young players are not very good.

[MechEng]

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

I have been reading comments comparing our youngsters to WI youngsters in terms of power game n putting our players down. Isnt it understood those guys are genetically better to play power game . But batting isnt just about power game if it was WI wnt be a low ranking side ...surely it helps in t20 but t20s isnt the only cricket. Compare our best hitter pandya yo russell and see the genetic diff...

 

Just becoz our players dont have that level of power doesnt make them any less talented , find me how many countries have talent like gill . 

 

We have to do with watever best we have - hardik, Dube, DK, SKY are our best option for that role in our country. No point in crying that we dont have a russell ....well most countries dont have russell. We didnt stop selecting fast bowlers in 90s n 2000s coz we didnt have player who can bowl at that pace. In Past also we had only Dhoni, yuvi, kapil.....among them dhoni had his own weakness, yuvi was very poor against spin at start and yuvi is once in ages kind of player. Hitting from ball-1 isnt an easy job and u need specific players for that 

 

Now i read comments that pooran better then pant, pooran is yet to play test cricket and pant has 2-100s overseas....so pooran isnt better.  Before making such comparisons let these guys atleast play 50+ games to have proper data to comapre . Both have hardly played 20 games in any format. 

 

We shud be happy that we have destructive players like- Rahul, iyer, Pandya, pant now rather comparing ourselves to other team. Dont we feel proud of our fast bowling brigade when we our yet to find someone as quick as akthar or lee....so why comparison in batting . 

Bro yeh kuch nahi hain. Yahaan pe Srinath is rated higher than Donald and Waqar.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, MechEng said:

Bro yeh kuch nahi hain. Yahaan pe Srinath is rated higher than Donald and Waqar.

i wud reserve my comments on that as i hvent seen anyone at peak. 

 

But some thing that shud b kept in mind while their comparison

• Srinath didnt have support of other bowlers. Donald had pollock ....waqar has wasim, imran n akthar later. We all have seen how our current bowling is hunting in pairs. Rabadda looked so ineffective when he came to India as he had no support from other end
• Srinath home condition were designed for kumble. Donald played on Sa pitches in Pak they use to leave grass 
• Srinath never used bottle caps and waqar wasim after tampering ball use to destroy opposition in no matter of time

A lot of things shud be mind comparing players

[cowboysfan]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

India will come up severely short in the world T20. If they don't find a solid reliable 5,6,7. Be prepared for the early exit. Only way we can win T20 is by bowling well. If India needs to outbat the opposition top 3 must click big time. 

that a problem because the only reliable bowler is Bumrah,every one just a guy and replaceable.They cant take wickets and spinners are getting tonked by everyone.

[javier26]

2 hours ago, mani sha said:

Would love to see the power hitting against shami and bumrah 

think our spinners were cannon fodder and dew helped . Not much to look into . 
they are little stronger but then they ain’t that nimble . 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8604/scorecard/951371/india-vs-west-indies-2nd-semi-final-world-t20-2015-16

 

Already played against Bumrah,  4 overs 42 runs. 

 

Bumrah is very quality bowler but these WI batsmen also have a lot of experience in playing all around the World in Leagues. 

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[javier26]

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[MechEng]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

i wud reserve my comments on that as i hvent seen anyone at peak. 

 

But some thing that shud b kept in mind while their comparison

• Srinath didnt have support of other bowlers. Donald had pollock ....waqar has wasim, imran n akthar later. We all have seen how our current bowling is hunting in pairs. Rabadda looked so ineffective when he came to India as he had no support from other end
• Srinath home condition were designed for kumble. Donald played on Sa pitches in Pak they use to leave grass 
• Srinath never used bottle caps and waqar wasim after tampering ball use to destroy opposition in no matter of time

A lot of things shud be mind comparing players

Those are ifs and buts. Srinath had few decent spells but that's all, he was a good bowler. This recent trend of bashing great bowlers of previous era and making heroes out of ok cricketers reveals deep seated insecurity/inferiority complex. A strong batting performance from NZ or Aus next year is all needed to ground the folks here.

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 minutes ago, MechEng said:

Those are ifs and buts. Srinath had few decent spells but that's all, he was a good bowler. This recent trend of bashing great bowlers of previous era and making heroes out of ok cricketers reveals deep seated insecurity/inferiority complex. A strong batting performance from NZ or Aus next year is all needed to ground the folks here.

these are not ifs n buts they are real factors 

Take ashwin xample now his wkt taking speed will slow down coz pacers are no leaving anything for our spinners. Had murali had such kind of bowling attack he wudnt have reached 800 wkts....

When we compare murali n warne we keep in mind that warne played in aus and he had 3 bowlers who use to clean up most wkts before he came in

[rkt.india]

8 hours ago, SK_IH said:

This is not about journey of a player or his career. Power hitting and range of strokes is the point here. Pant looks quite far behind in that comparison. 

Pant should be a certainty in T20 side but he needs to do a lot more. May be a higher number but everyone wants to bat at the top.

You are forgetting pant is a wk. Pooran, hetmeyer are specialist batsmen. You can't compare special bats to a wk and Pant is a big bottle for Indian standards.

Edited December 9, 2019 by rkt.india

[rkt.india]

7 hours ago, maniac said:

Yuvraj and young Dhoni weren’t they power hitters? Even guys like Harbhajan could give it a huge whack lower order. Uthappa,DK all could hit from ball 1. They all were proper bats and were not that different from Hetmeyer or Pooran in terms of talent when they broke through. We need to identify proper players and back them rather than getting specialist hacks.

 

Iyer isn’t any less talented than Pooran

Dhoni is a colossal t20 failure.

[Vilander]

8 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Isnt it understood those guys are genetically better to play power game .

no its not understood 

[MechEng]

6 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

these are not ifs n buts they are real factors 

Take ashwin xample now his wkt taking speed will slow down coz pacers are no leaving anything for our spinners. Had murali had such kind of bowling attack he wudnt have reached 800 wkts....

When we compare murali n warne we keep in mind that warne played in aus and he had 3 bowlers who use to clean up most wkts before he came in

Ok, Srinath is a better bowler than Waqar Younis.

[GautiMaan]

There is no need to complicate things,just fill the lineup with high SR batsmen doesnt matter if someone is power hitter,timer,sweeper etc

However you need to optimize their roles per their strengths,ex Rohit Sharma is someone who can clear the ropes easily in the middle order whereas someone like Shaw might be bettter suited to use the PP overs,this kind of flexibile thinking is whats missing

In our 2007 campaign somehow these things came together but after that we began to approach t20s like ODIs

[Real McCoy]

Genetic theory is bullshit. We had Kapil Dev, Yuvraj Singh, MS Dhoni, Raina, Sehwag who were all power hitters. The same argument was made when India was lacking fast bowling now this.