Khota Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I say he should be fired the next day from captaincy. Winning a WC is the real thing. Everything else is meaningless. It is like Olympic Gold Medal. You can win multiple races all day long but when your time comes to deliver it is the track at olympics that matters. raki05 1 Link to comment
Stan AF Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Please. He ain't going anywhere till 2021 atleast. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 ideally 2019 Wc shud have been his last but that didnt happen so this t20 Wc shud be his last but we all know how things work in India Khota 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 30 minutes ago, Khota said: I say he should be fired the next day from captaincy. Winning a WC is the real thing. Everything else is meaningless. It is like Olympic Gold Medal. You can win multiple races all day long but when your time comes to deliver it is the track at olympics that matters. That is utter nonsense, if he does not have talent to win, it is not captain's fault.he is doing great as captain.Winning any tournament needs luck and he needs to contribute as a batsman in crunch matches that is more important than his captaincy. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 20 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: ideally 2019 Wc shud have been his last but that didnt happen so this t20 Wc shud be his last but we all know how things work in India Actually in 2019 we were doing well until that one fateful match much like CT final 2017. We were red hot favorites to get into final. India's lack of middle order will continue hurting us winning big tournaments. Unless they address this area we will continue to be poor. Kohli is treating our side like RCB. Top heavy. That's it. raki05 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Actually in 2019 we were doing well until that one fateful match much like CT final 2017. We were red hot favorites to get into final. India's lack of middle order will continue hurting us winning big tournaments. Unless they address this area we will continue to be poor. Kohli is treating our side like RCB. Top heavy. That's it. How is he treating it as RCB is he supposed to manufacture middle order batsmen.Who are middle order batsmen in the country who have been denied a chance in last two years.Iyer has a case , I don't think anyone else is there.Dhawan who is heavy contributor in ICC tournaments got hurt. Edited December 13, 2019 by putrevus Invasion 550 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, putrevus said: How is he treating it as RCB is he supposed to manufacture middle order batsmen.Who are middle order batsmen in the country who have been denied a chance in last two years.Iyer has a case , I don't think anyone else is there.Dhawan who is heavy contributor in ICC tournaments got hurt. Wish they had tried more instead of recycling Rayudu, KKD, over the hill Dhoni and playing Vijay Shankar, Jadhav. They even played Pant as a specialist batsman. If India is forced to play someone in the middle atleast let them be a proper batsman like Agarwal, Gill instead of these guys. Edited December 13, 2019 by vvvslaxman Khota 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Actually in 2019 we were doing well until that one fateful match much like CT final 2017. We were red hot favorites to get into final. India's lack of middle order will continue hurting us winning big tournaments. Unless they address this area we will continue to be poor. Kohli is treating our side like RCB. Top heavy. That's it. he ll keep wining till 2023, he has the team and 4-5 gun players who will win more then 70-80 games on their own. Look at the opp- WI, SL, SA, PAK, BANG.....we are so ahead from them that we shud win most games anywas No one wud remember winning these bilateral games....ultimately a top team has to win a big tournament Kohli biggest issue on those days is his nerveousness as captain which reflects on other players. Strategies can go wrong, Selection can go wrong but a captain has to keep his calm.....the problem in both games was kohli's body languages at the core. Its the same case with RCB as well and it will happen again Link to comment
putrevus Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said: Wish they had tried more instead of recycling Rayudu, KKD and playing Vijay Shankar, Jadhav. They even played Pant as a specialist batsman. If India is forced to play someone in the middle atleast let them be a proper batsman like Agarwal, Gill instead of these guys. Tried who is the question?? It is easy to say they should have tried but where are middle order batsmen?? They did try Gill and he showed he was not ready.The problem is other than Iyer who again is top three batsman who does not bowl,there is not much talent to choose. Link to comment
SK_IH Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 16 minutes ago, putrevus said: That is utter nonsense, if he does not have talent to win, it is not captain's fault.he is doing great as captain.Winning any tournament needs luck and he needs to contribute as a batsman in crunch matches that is more important than his captaincy. How do you judge someone's captaincy if doesn't win anything worth gloating about. Stan AF and raki05 1 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said: he ll keep wining till 2023, he has the team and 4-5 gun players who will win more then 70-80 games on their own. Look at the opp- WI, SL, SA, PAK, BANG.....we are so ahead from them that we shud win most games anywas No one wud remember winning these bilateral games....ultimately a top team has to win a big tournament Kohli biggest issue on those days is his nerveousness as captain which reflects on other players. Strategies can go wrong, Selection can go wrong but a captain has to keep his calm.....the problem in both games was kohli's body languages at the core. Its the same case with RCB as well and it will happen again India has one weakness which is what happens when the top order collapses. Happened not once but twice n a row in crunch match. INdia had no one to fall back on. Back in 2000 India had Sehwag, Raina, Yuvraj, Tendulkar who could bowl a few overs so they could afford to play 4 bowlers. Some of them like Bhajji could even bat a bit. Now batsmen don't bowl. bowlers don't bat. Every match has to be a near perfect match to win a tournament. Any slip up like our bowlers not coming off, our top order not coming off will lead to undesirable result. You cannot have a perfect match in every game. There will be odd slip ups. Do we have a team that can handle unexpected scenarios? Nope. We don't. World cup winners generally have that ability. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, putrevus said: Tried who is the question?? It is easy to say they should have tried but where are middle order batsmen?? They did try Gill and he showed he was not ready.The problem is other than Iyer who again is top three batsman who does not bowl,there is not much talent to choose. Just 2 matches in swinging conditions. That too at the top order? He should be discarded? come on man. We all know his potential. You cannot discard him immediately. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 World tournaments are about pressure, as it just about that day and that thought sometimes is enough to mess anyone. Link to comment
raki05 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Why can't these budhhas try youngsters at top and come themselves down the order . We can accommodate one of Gill/Shaw at 1 down and Kohli can move to 4 similarly one of Mayank or Rahul can open along with Dhwan in odi and Rohit can move down. How can they expect youngsters to perform down the order when they open in domestic. Why can't these experience idiot take the critical responsiblity of middle order like Ganguly, Tendulkar or dravid did in past. Bloddy these one dimensional player themselves not change their position even in meaningless tournaments and blame youngsters for knockout failure . nevada and sergio04 2 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 India had 2 years to experiment. They announced way too early Rayudu will be the man lol HE got kicked out at the last moment. It took them that long to realize he was crap. Shankar just had to do slightly better than Rayudu. HE could play. I don't say he is the reason. He was okay in the matches he played. But he is still not a proper batsman. Link to comment
SK_IH Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Forget world tournaments, it's the NZ series which will the test of Virat. If he fails to win against full strength NZ side, then questions should be asked of him. Stan AF 1 Link to comment
SK_IH Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said: India had 2 years to experiment. They announced way too early Rayudu will be the man lol HE got kicked out at the last moment. It took them that long to realize he was crap. Shankar just had to do slightly better than Rayudu. HE could play. I don't say he is the reason. He was okay in the matches he played. But he is still not a proper batsman. I am worried about Iyer now. I have a inkling he might be shunted down again in the upcoming series and will be discarded soon after the away tour. That's their way of treating anyone who comes into the middle order. Iyer cannot afford any failure or a score less than 50 in the upcoming series. Link to comment
putrevus Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, SK_IH said: How do you judge someone's captaincy if doesn't win anything worth gloating about. Sarfraz won CT , is he better captain than Kohli? Winning ICC tournament needs team balance and player stepping up in crunch matches.All batsmen including Kohli failed to step up in crunch matches but I don't think there was anything wrong in his captaincy.The only thing I blame Kohli is keeping Dhoni in the team but that guy seems to be above everyone. He avgs 80 as a captain and has highest winning % .He is leading a very unbalanced team and yet has led to finals and semis final of only two major tournaments he has captained the team. He cannot manufacature talent. Link to comment
putrevus Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Just 2 matches in swinging conditions. That too at the top order? He should be discarded? come on man. We all know his potential. You cannot discard him immediately. Nobody discarded Gill but world cup was few months away and you want a guy who played two matches to be in the squad? if he flopped people will jump and say see Gill should have never played in world cup instead of an experienced batsman.Gill is going nowhere he will play next world cup 2019 was too soon for him in this team. Link to comment
raki05 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Virat Kohli LL win nada ,zero limited over tournaments. As someone pointed out we LL have similar outcome in world tournaments like rcb has in Ipl. In between he LL plays inning like y'day against langradesh, wi and Afghanistan and fans will gloat about it. This guy is one of the dumbest captain who after having so much of resources and so much of clout ain't win a jack **** in loi. Link to comment
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