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What would have happened if Veer Savarkar became India's first PM?

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Strange as it may appear, Mr. Savarkar and Mr. Jinnah, instead of being opposed to each other on the one nation versus two nations issue, are in complete agreement about it. Both agree, not only agree but insist, that there are two nations in India—one the Muslim nation and the other the Hindu nation. They differ only as regards the terms and conditions on which the two nations should live. Mr. Jinnah says India should be cut up into two, Pakistan and Hindustan, the Muslim nation to occupy Pakistan and the Hindu nation to occupy Hindustan. Mr. Savarkar on the other hand insists that, although there are two nations in India, India shall not be divided into two parts, one for Muslims and the other for the Hindus; that the two nations shall dwell in one country and shall live under the mantle of one single constitution; that the constitution shall be such that the Hindu nation will be enabled to occupy a predominant position that is due to it and the Muslim nation made to live in the position of subordinate co-operation with the Hindu nation.

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4 hours ago, sandeep said:

This guy is unnecessarily and incorrectly glorified.  He had some silly ideas, and was ready to turn collaborator with the Brits. 

How he collaborated with Brits ? He served his full sentence and ban on his political activities was not reduced. 

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14 hours ago, sandeep said:

This guy is unnecessarily and incorrectly glorified.  He had some silly ideas, and was ready to turn collaborator with the Brits. 

Our father of the nation promoted non-violence when it was against British but he was alright with Indian soldiers killing themselves for the British in WW2. How's that for collaboration? or Nehru apparently "platonically" sleeping around with Mountbattens wife to score small personal political wins.

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i saw this candid and interesting discussion between Owasi and Swamy.

 

in front of a stupid braying audience and an annoying albeit incisive host. Its interesting and this sarvarkar persons BS should not be glorified --> true right wing takes in what makes it stronger. All indians must be Indians and a-religious that is the goal.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qeN0ezkf3s&feature=emb_rel_pause

 

https://youtu.be/9qeN0ezkf3s

 

 

 

 

 

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43 minutes ago, maniac said:

but he was alright with Indian soldiers killing themselves for the British in WW2.

Look up 1942 Quit India and Civil Disobedience movement.  Gandhi had his share of stupidity, like advising the Jews to let Hitler kill them.  

 

Look and learn from history and historical figures, warts and all.  Hagiography is not history.

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6 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Look up 1942 Quit India and Civil Disobedience movement.  Gandhi had his share of stupidity, like advising the Jews to let Hitler kill them.  

 

Look and learn from history and historical figures, warts and all.  Hagiography is not history.

I know what they were, Pointless waste of time that had no impact on the final outcome. No disrespect to the freedom fighters who genuinely wanted to take part with the true belief in their hearts. unfortunately it wasn't enough. 

 

The whole azaadi bina khadg bina dhaal is a bunch of bs that has been fed to us.

 

By the way did Nehru or Gandhi ever go to Kaalapani jail? 

 

 

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6 hours ago, sandeep said:

google savarkar mercy petition.

Don’t rely on google which shows up wire and national herald fake assertions  read his autobiography or a biography of all spectrum to arrive at a center opinion. Suggest a recent one from Vikram Sampath

 

 

Also, the fake narrative on his mercy petition from the man himself. Not every pro  view is hagiography and not every anti view is fake, but wire and NH, please, let’s get real. Agreed, that he had some ordinary solutions for India’s problems, but mercy petitions is totally not fair. He was confined to solitary confinement for decades, while Nehru and Gandhi are serving time in palaces with tea and morning newspapers. He may have thoughts about his fight in lalapaani is a waste, while he can relent and look weaker while he can be out and serve the cause better.

 

https://www.organiser.org/Encyc/2018/11/17/Veer-Savarkar-s-Mercy-Petitions-Facts-and-Context-above-the-Censure.html

 

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10 hours ago, MechEng said:

It is clear now that western style democracy is not sustainable.

 

For democracy to function perfectly as @Vilander said, Indians must be Indians first and become a-religious. But forcing people to prioritize their national identity over their religion is self denial in a way, only works best in atheistic societies.

There are plenty of atheist Hindus and I would say most Hindus, especially men, that I’ve met, are agnostic to atheistic: Hindus who actually believe in a God and actually think Ram and Krishna were God avatars or Varuna, Mitra, Shiva etc actually exist are mostly village types. That number is fast declining and Indians are turning fast into atheist Hindus. Which is fine.

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12 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Don’t rely on google which shows up wire and national herald fake assertions  read his autobiography or a biography of all spectrum to arrive at a center opinion. Suggest a recent one from Vikram Sampath

 

 

Also, the fake narrative on his mercy petition from the man himself. Not every pro  view is hagiography and not every anti view is fake, but wire and NH, please, let’s get real. Agreed, that he had some ordinary solutions for India’s problems, but mercy petitions is totally not fair. He was confined to solitary confinement for decades, while Nehru and Gandhi are serving time in palaces with tea and morning newspapers. He may have thoughts about his fight in lalapaani is a waste, while he can relent and look weaker while he can be out and serve the cause better.

 

https://www.organiser.org/Encyc/2018/11/17/Veer-Savarkar-s-Mercy-Petitions-Facts-and-Context-above-the-Censure.html

 

For some of dg folks, savarkar is a traitor even though he fought for independence and served his time in andaman.  He was by no means prime minister material,  but no need to be condescending of a freedom fighter 

 

And Vikram sampath is by no means a right winger 

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@SecondSlip I don't know much about Savarkar, but based on whatever little I know about him not a big fan tbh. Esp not as PM candidate, no way. Would have loved Ambedkar and Sardar to have a greater say post 1947, as PM and HM respectively, and wish they had lived longer. Let us be honest, our 1st PM had to come from Congress and no way does Savarkar fit the bill. But have to say there is no middle ground when discussing him, either one hates him or adores him beyond measure, wish there were a more nuanced study of his life/character/ideology/evolution. Still won't interest me I guess, I find no extraordinary quality in him compared to other PM candidates. 

 

Apart from the ones who have replied here and the posters you tagged, add @Tibarn and @Moochad, pretty sure at least one of them would have explored this in detail. 

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