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17 minutes ago, putrevus said:

If Dravid didn't keep for those 70 odis, his odi career would have been finished in 2003.Similar Rahul if he starts keeping now and becomes a core member by performing with bat, another keeper Pant or anyone else can always take over later the keeping duties. At the present time Rahul the keeper gives India the balance it needs while allowing Rahul to play every match.

 

You don't become core member by being out of the team.

 

Stop being a moron, Kohli is not my friend or relative. 

Thats some nonsense spread by ganguly himself. Dravid was our best batsman in 1999 wc and a year before he starred keeping he avg 43 which was very good those days. We didnt have enough batsman only demanding a spot on those days. At best they went for dinesh mongia only or some days bangar....

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19 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Carey should not be dropped coz he has cemented his place in odi with a consistent average of 40.  On the other hand, pant has not yet been able to cement his place. Coz he averages only 27.  Both of them bat at similar position but see the difference in class. 

Carey is 28, pant 22. Carey has SR of 92, Pant 102. Carey has played 32 ODIs regularly. Pant 16 that too only regular after the WC. Before that one here, one there.

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5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Thats some nonsense spread by ganguly himself. Dravid was our best batsman in 1999 wc and a year before he starred keeping he avg 43 which was very good those days. We didnt have enough batsman only demanding a spot on those days. At best they went for dinesh mongia only or some days bangar....

Dravid started keeping coz we didn't have a half decent wk/batsman around.

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38 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Yup he has said the same about KL twice

1st time - dropped after 3 games

2nd time - dropped after one game

After every game, there is a PC, so he probably answers based on that game w/o being strategic. Goes through the motions when he is there 

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28 minutes ago, putrevus said:

If Dravid didn't keep for those 70 odis, his odi career would have been finished in 2003.Similar Rahul if he starts keeping now and becomes a core member by performing with bat, another keeper Pant or anyone else can always take over later the keeping duties. At the present time Rahul the keeper gives India the balance it needs while allowing Rahul to play every match.

 

You don't become core member by being out of the team.

 

Stop being a moron, Kohli is not my friend or relative. 

Dravid only kept because we didn't have any wk who could bat.

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7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Thats some nonsense spread by ganguly himself. Dravid was our best batsman in 1999 wc and a year before he starred keeping he avg 43 which was very good those days. We didnt have enough batsman only demanding a spot on those days. At best they went for dinesh mongia only or some days bangar....

That is not a nonsense at all.Once Sehwag came into picture Dravid would have gone. Ganguly is not an idiot to say it in public.He does not have anything against Dravid.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Dravid started keeping coz we didn't have a half decent wk/batsman around.

exactly those days it was - dahiya, ratra , dighe n all

It was in no way to save his career his place was secure 

8 minutes ago, putrevus said:

That is not a nonsense at all.Once Sehwag came into picture Dravid would have gone. Ganguly is not an idiot to say it in public.He does not have anything against Dravid.

 

 

  1. Sehwag
  2. Sachin
  3. Ganguly 
  4. Yuvi
  5. Kaif
  6.    
  7.  

 

still 2 slots left so for whom he wud have lost it.....Name them 

there was no one 

 

Why wud u drop highest scorer of 1999 Wc and a guy who avg 43 in previous year.....he was playing great knocks in those phase. Ganguly loves to brag about his time 

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5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Do we have any WK who can bat in odi/t20s now?

pant

Kishen

Samson 

 

1st give all 3 a fair run if nothing works then their always Rahul. Rahul 2nd keeping skills give balance in a way that we dont have to take another keeper in squad . 

 

they all have their issue but so did everyone at start of their career including dhoni 

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55 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Dravid only kept because we didn't have any wk who could bat.

Ganguly wanted 7 batsmen cushion.  Same time Dravid wanted a spot. I would put it as if Dravid had refused to keep he would not have been in the XI. It was a compromise situation for both. There was no way Dravid was going to play ahead of Kaif or Yuvraj if INdia had another keeper.

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2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Ganguly wanted 7 batsmen cushion.  Same time Dravid wanted a spot. I would put it as if Dravid had refused to keep he would not have been in the XI. It was a compromise situation for both. There was no way Dravid was going to play ahead of Kaif or Yuvraj if INdia had another keeper.

No he was doing very well then ...he had a fixed spot. Wen we played other keeper like dighe n ll he had a spot. All 3 yuvi , kaif n sehwag were young n inconsistent. No captain will drop a dravid inform for them. 

 

52 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

exactly those days it was - dahiya, ratra , dighe n all

It was in no way to save his career his place was secure 

  1. Sehwag
  2. Sachin
  3. Ganguly 
  4. Yuvi
  5. Kaif
  6.    
  7.  

 

still 2 slots left so for whom he wud have lost it.....Name them 

there was no one 

 

Why wud u drop highest scorer of 1999 Wc and a guy who avg 43 in previous year.....he was playing great knocks in those phase. Ganguly loves to brag about his time 

Even if u include all u still will have 2 slots lefts . Add any keeper ull have one more slot left. 

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https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/28520099/india-willing-persist-kl-rahul-wicketkeeeper-virat-kohli

 

I didn't see the missed chance of Smith, but this is an idiotic move, KL can either play as a batsman himself, just like Dravid held his place as a pure bat. This security he brings is in a mirage, India failed in 2003 WC final and same can be predicted here. Additional batsman or Bowler will do ghanta if your main players don't live up to the conditions. If top3 failed against NZ, rest failed .  Needed a slam-bang hitter. Every team prepares one such player. This is like tje L&L philosophy for bowlers. We realized we needed Pace bowlers who can do L&L instead of just dibbly-dobbly L&L. 

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55 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

pant

Kishen

Samson 

 

1st give all 3 a fair run if nothing works then their always Rahul. Rahul 2nd keeping skills give balance in a way that we dont have to take another keeper in squad . 

 

they all have their issue but so did everyone at start of their career including dhoni 

What is fair run? What is this nonsense you keep going on and on.

 

Pant has played all the home season and WI tour as a primary WK in shorter formats.(12 T20s and 7 odis). How many more matches does anyone need to state their case.

 

He got injured and his replacement provided that balance which the team needs.There is nothing wrong in team wanting balance which Rahul provides as they can field additional batter or bowler as per their needs, Pant should aim to become that additional batsman.

 

Who said Ishan and Samson are of international standards.

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16 minutes ago, putrevus said:

What is fair run? What is this nonsense you keep going on and on.

30-40 games infact more

 

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Pant has played all the home season and WI tour as a primary WK in shorter formats.(12 T20s and 7 odis). How many more matches does anyone need to state their case.

And he did well in wi series and he looked the most solid in Wc debacle 

 

If these number of games wud havd been taken to pass a judgement on there wud have been no yuvraj, sehwag, rohit, tendulkar. 

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He got injured and his replacement provided that balance which the team needs.There is nothing wrong in team wanting balance which Rahul provides as they can field additional batter or bowler as per their needs, Pant should aim to become that additional batsman.

And who are these better t20 batsman then pant who can do lower order hitting?

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Who said Ishan and Samson are of international standards.

Who says they are not?

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2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

30-40 games infact more

 

And he did well in wi series

And who are these better t20 batsman then pant who can do lower order hitting?

Who says they are not?

Are you insane, 

 

Pant did not do anything great in all the matches he played, he might have done well in couple of matches.He has not shown in any matches he has played that he has it what it takes to succeed in middle order.

 

I was/still  am against his dropping from test team. He is more suited to test cricket and as an opener in limited over format.Rahul is not suited to middle order either but he has more experience thats all.To play in middle order you must to able to rotate strike without taking too many risks.

 

Anyone with some cricketing acumen can tell that other two might never make it to international level, there is a reason why Samson avgs 30 in List A, how many runs did Ishan score in domestic cricket this season to state his case.

 

They all are young and are part of India A teams if they score heavily they all have chances to make it. 

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28 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

No he was doing very well then ...he had a fixed spot. Wen we played other keeper like dighe n ll he had a spot. All 3 yuvi , kaif n sehwag were young n inconsistent. No captain will drop a dravid inform for them. 

 

Even if u include all u still will have 2 slots lefts . Add any keeper ull have one more slot left. 

. This was one of the biggest debate going around. How Dravid had to do the compromise to stay in the playing XI.  It was "keep or walk" situation for Dravid. Ganguly was not exactly giving any quarters on that. Rahul Dravid scored runs. But he was slow those days. So was Laxman.  He had no real top gear. After Kaif's Natwest effort he was considered a better option late down the order given that Ganguly was going to bat at 3. Dinesh Mongia was also in the mix. 

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Just now, vvvslaxman said:

. This was one of the biggest debate going around. How Dravid had to do the compromise to stay in the playing XI.  It was "keep or walk" situation for Dravid. Ganguly was not exactly giving any quarters on that. Rahul Dravid scored runs. But he was slow those days. So was Laxman.  He had no real top gear. After Kaif's Natwest effort he was considered a better option late down the order given that Ganguly was going to bat at 3. Dinesh Mongia was also in the mix. 

in that natwest he played pretty fast i think he was one of the top batsman in that tournament 

His batting s/r was fine those days - in tauton where ganguly made 183 it was dravid who started the onslaught , infact he played damn well in that innings where sachin made 186

in 2004 he made 50 in 22 balls , won a match chasing 316 against WI in Ahdb

 

mongia, laxman was in mix but never commanded a place specially ahead of dravid who had very good numbers then . mongia only got a place coz he cud bowl n was a better fielder then laxman thats it and thats not commanding place . 

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2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

in that natwest he played pretty fast i think he was one of the top batsman in that tournament 

His batting s/r was fine those days - in tauton where ganguly made 183 it was dravid who started the onslaught , infact he played damn well in that innings where sachin made 186

in 2004 he made 50 in 22 balls , won a match chasing 316 against WI in Ahdb

 

mongia, laxman was in mix but never commanded a place specially ahead of dravid who had very good numbers then . mongia only got a place coz he cud bowl n was a better fielder then laxman thats it and thats not commanding place . 

https://m.rediff.com/wc2003/2002/nov/12inter.htm

 

If Rahul Dravid had declined to keep and they used Parthiv patel or someone else  he would have lost his spot for sure.  This is something even Rahul Dravid indirectly agreed with.

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