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Who would be your choice to replace Kedar Jadhav at No. 6 in ODIs?


Who would be your choice to replace Kedar Jadhav at No. 6 in ODIs?  

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  1. 1. Who would be your choice to replace Kedar Jadhav at No. 6 in ODIs?

    • Manish Pandey
    • Suryakumar Yadav
    • Nitish Rana
    • Krunal Pandya
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    • Shivam Dube
    • Axar Patel


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10 minutes ago, Lannister said:

You need someone to average 45+ at 6, because most likely we will be playing a specialist bowler at 7 since we don't have any good all-rounder. Pandya's 30 ave looks mediocre as per our batting requirements. I feel Pant is better equipped to bat in that position. He is similar to KL and can survive more than 15 overs. 

he can avg more n will only if he bats up , yea even pant can play .

No point repeating 30 avg again n again....its simple u cant avg high if u bat at those position....showed u yuvraj singh example. His job is to bat at higher s/r not worry about avg . Bat even rahul n pant at 7 even their avg will go for a toss

 

ur questioning pandya 29 avg and promoting pant who avg 26 and atleast has batted at better position

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Pandya's bowling average is 40+. He is at best can be used as a 6th bowler, not as a 5th bowler, and his batting is not upto the mark which is supposed to be his strong suit. 

fine for 5th bowler....stokes avg 41 and  his eco is also 6.1 way worse then pandya

Pandya has been a constant improvement and his stats will get better with time only

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5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

he can avg more n will only if he bats up , yea even pant can play .

No point repeating 30 avg again n again....its simple u cant avg high if u bat at those position....showed u yuvraj singh example. His job is to bat at higher s/r not worry about avg . Bat even rahul n pant at 7 even their avg will go for a toss

You can easily average 45+ at 6 considering the number of not outs. The point is can he bat more than 15 overs consistently? His average says otherwise. 

 

14 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

fine for 5th bowler....stokes avg 41 and  his eco is also 6.1 way worse then pandya

Pandya has been a constant improvement and his stats will get better with time only

But Stokes is a more dependable batsman and bats at 5 for his team. 

 

Pandya has already played 50+ matches and we have better batsmen warming the bench. 

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13 minutes ago, Lannister said:

You can easily average 45+ at 6 considering the number of not outs. The point is can he bat more than 15 overs consistently? His average says otherwise. 

but that wud affect ur s/r which isnt his role and has his career ended ??

yuvraj singh also cud manage a avg of 36 only at 6 .......only if ur a dhoni or bevan then only thats possible. But pandya role has been diff....his job is to cut loose which shows in his s/r

 

Our top order doesnt leave that much for him .

 

Again the question arises u want pandya to avg 45+ at 6 but promoting pant who avg 26 batting at better positions

13 minutes ago, Lannister said:

But Stokes is a more dependable batsman and bats at 5 for his team. 

he became over the years not in his initial years 

13 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Pandya has already played 50+ matches and we have better batsmen warming the bench. 

And in 50+ matches he has done very well 

No one in India can do his role

who are these better batsman who can do that job at 6,7 better then pandya ?

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1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

but that wud affect ur s/r which isnt his role and has his career ended ??

yuvraj singh also cud manage a avg of 36 only at 6 .......only if ur a dhoni or bevan then only thats possible. But pandya role has been diff....his job is to cut loose which shows in his s/r

 

Our top order doesnt leave that much for him .

 

Again the question arises u want pandya to avg 45+ at 6 but promoting pant who avg 26 batting at better positions

Pandya averages 19 at #6, let that sink in.  Do you want to know Buttler's average at the same position? 

 

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29 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Pandya averages 19 at #6, let that sink in.  Do you want to know Buttler's average at the same position? 

 

and ur sample size is 4 games thats it

butler who avg 31 after 50 games ....wow to much of a diff from 29 .

butler avg 37 at 6 ......by ur standards of 45 he also false short. Ur going to compare a 4 match sample size to 64 match :facepalm:

 

 

ur talking about 45 avg and ur recommending pant who has avg of 26 . Do u knw pant avg 22 at 6th positon 

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13 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

and ur sample size is 4 games thats it

butler who avg 31 after 50 games ....wow to much of a diff from 29 .

butler avg 37 at 6 ......by ur standards of 45 he also false short. Ur going to compare a 4 match sample size to 64 match :facepalm:

 

 

ur talking about 45 avg and ur recommending pant who has avg of 26 . Do u knw pant avg 22 at 6th positon 

Buttler's average at #6 in last 4 years, 45 with a SR of 113. 

 

Where is the button to attach images? It's gone

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15 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

and ur sample size is 4 games thats it

butler who avg 31 after 50 games ....wow to much of a diff from 29 .

butler avg 37 at 6 ......by ur standards of 45 he also false short. Ur going to compare a 4 match sample size to 64 match :facepalm:

 

 

ur talking about 45 avg and ur recommending pant who has avg of 26 . Do u knw pant avg 22 at 6th positon 

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Pandya at 6,

 

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At 5,

 

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8 minutes ago, Lannister said:

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Jos Butler (England) - ODI Cricket
 
Performance Analysis by Batting Position
Position Inns NO 100s 50s 0s HS   Runs Avg S/R Ca St
4 11 2 2 2 3 116* 413 45.89 157.63 7 3
5 12 3 2 1 2 150 497 55.22 139.22 16 4
6 64 11 4 11 6 129 1977 37.30 111.13 71 18
7 29 6 1 6 1 121 922 40.09 117.45 42 4
8 1 1 0 0 0 34* 34   141.67 0 0
Overall 117 23 9 20 12 150 3843 40.88 119.83 171

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why to take sample size of 4 years take whole sample which will show u his avg dropping means in his intial games at 6 even he didnt do well , so means butler can fail at start but not hardik

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18 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Buttler's average at #6 in last 4 years, 45 with a SR of 113. 

 

Where is the button to attach images? It's gone

Pandya has played 4 innings at 6

lets see what butler did in his 1st four innings at number -6 

 

Innings by innings list
Runs Mins BF 4s 6s SR Pos Dismissal Inns   Opposition Ground Start DateAscending  
DNB - - - - - - - 2   v India Dharamsala 27 Jan 2013 ODI # 3329
21 18 13 0 2 161.53 6 caught 1   v New Zealand Hamilton 17 Feb 2013 ODI # 3335
DNB - - - - - - - 2   v New Zealand Napier 20 Feb 2013 ODI # 3336
3 5 4 0 0 75.00 6 caught 2   v New Zealand Auckland 23 Feb 2013 ODI # 3338
14 41 25 1 0 56.00 6 caught 1   v New Zealand Lord's 31 May 2013 ODI # 3360
2 5 3 0 0 66.66 6 caught 2   v New Zealand Southampton 2 Jun 2013 ODI # 3361
0 4 2 0 0 0.00 6 caught 1   v Sri Lanka The Oval 13 Jun 2013 ODI # 3370
14 17 9 2 0 155.55 6 caught 1   v New Zealand Cardiff 16 Jun 2013 ODI # 3373
12 15 17 1 0 70.58 6 caught 2   v West Indies North Sound 28 Feb 2014 ODI # 3477
0 1 1 0 0 0.00 6 caught 2   v West Indies North Sound 2 Mar 2014 ODI # 3480

 

 

So till first 8 innings at position 6 butler didnt even cross 25.....now i knw why u took a 4 year sample. 

 

What hypocrisy-

 

  • Pant is allowed to have 26 avg but pandya not 29
  • Butler is allowed to fail 8 games at no.6 but pandya not even 6 :cheer:
  • Butler highest score in 1st 8 games at 6 position 21 , pandya - 32 
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28 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:
Jos Butler (England) - ODI Cricket
 
Performance Analysis by Batting Position
Position Inns NO 100s 50s 0s HS   Runs Avg S/R Ca St
4 11 2 2 2 3 116* 413 45.89 157.63 7 3
5 12 3 2 1 2 150 497 55.22 139.22 16 4
6 64 11 4 11 6 129 1977 37.30 111.13 71 18
7 29 6 1 6 1 121 922 40.09 117.45 42 4
8 1 1 0 0 0 34* 34   141.67 0 0
Overall 117 23 9 20 12 150 3843 40.88 119.83 171

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why to take sample size of 4 years take whole sample which will show u his avg dropping means in his intial games at 6 even he didnt do well , so means butler can fail at start but not hardik

So? I took last 4 years data because that's when he made his debut. 

 

If he can't improve in 3-4 years, maybe we are investing in a wrong player. His average looks worst at all the positions he has batted. 

 

50+ games is not a small sample size. 

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18 minutes ago, Lannister said:

So? I took last 4 years data because that's when he made his debut. 

coz butler at that time already had exp of 3-4 years

18 minutes ago, Lannister said:

If he can't improve in 3-4 years, maybe we are investing in a wrong player. His average looks worst at all the positions he has batted. 

 

50+ games is not a small sample size. 

so after 50 match sample size even butler also avg 31....by that logic no one shud have invested in him also 

yuvraj singh avg was 30 till around 100 games so was rohit sharma, both are great in ODI format 

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13 hours ago, express bowling said:

Hardik Pandya

 

1.  He is the ideal choice to bat at 6 ... high SR big  hitter who can hit pacers too.

 

2.  Hardik at 6 allows us to play 5 specialist bowlers and 3 specialist pacers.

 

3. It allows us to have a good 6th bowling option without compromising big hitting batting.

 

4.  Hardik is having lower back issues and should not be given the 5th bowler's role. And he is an average bowler anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

Hardik is a 7 for me.

 

6 needs to be able to score a rearguard 75 off 90 when the top order collapses and the team is 80/4 after 20 overs to at least get to a somewhat competitive score. 

 

No evidence Hardik can do that.

 

What you are saying could work if the #7 was a clone of Hardik as far as batting goes. Jadeja is not that. 

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8 hours ago, SUMO said:

Dont know SKY is good or another hack at international level. So in the given options Manish is safest. 

None looks perfect for the role. On potential how about Sarfaraz and abhishek sharma.

SKY may be a hack like Dubey but we are 3 years from the 50 over WC and #6 is a very important position.

 

Try him and Rana and see if one of them succeeds. 

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9 hours ago, zen said:

Pandya is a great choice. He has mostly batted at #7 but can move up to #5-6.

Honestly, I see him more as a floater than a regular No. 5/6. When they're in a strong position while batting first and need quick runs, or when the target is high and required run rate is mounting, you send him in. But I don't think it's wise to play him as a regular top 6 batsman.

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