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Who would be your choice to replace Kedar Jadhav at No. 6 in ODIs?

Who would be your choice to replace Kedar Jadhav at No. 6 in ODIs?  

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  1. 1. Who would be your choice to replace Kedar Jadhav at No. 6 in ODIs?

    • Manish Pandey
    • Suryakumar Yadav
    • Nitish Rana
    • Krunal Pandya
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    • Shivam Dube
    • Axar Patel


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In ODI's u either need a utility player or a match winner

  • Manish pandey at 6 is not a match winner 
  • Krunal batting is piss poor against pace n bowling suited to shortest format
  • Rana- Lets see 
  • dube- has to go back to n work on his issues
  • SKY- i like him more for t20s 
  • Pant - will form a dangerous 5,6,7 with rahul, pant, pandya
  • Jadeja- not a match winner but a utility cricketer and wud be handy in 2023 WC in India
  • Axar- in jadeja mould but a better batsman

Few more players can be added in 1-2 years like abhishek sharma 

 

My choice - pant, jadeja , axar as of now 

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Given the limitation that we don't have a full team composition (who are other batsmen or bowlers in the XI?)) to take a proper call, I'd still say Yadav from the choices above.

 

But outside of the OP's list,  Pant will make it a more difficult choice.

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Hardik Pandya

 

1.  He is the ideal choice to bat at 6 ... high SR big  hitter who can hit pacers too.

 

2.  Hardik at 6 allows us to play 5 specialist bowlers and 3 specialist pacers.

 

3. It allows us to have a good 6th bowling option without compromising big hitting batting.

 

4.  Hardik is having lower back issues and should not be given the 5th bowler's role. And he is an average bowler anyway.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, express bowling said:

Hardik Pandya

 

1.  He is the ideal choice to bat at 6 ... high SR big  hitter who can hit pacers too.

 

2.  Hardik at 6 allows us to play 5 specialist bowlers and 3 specialist pacers.

 

3. It allows us to have a good 6th bowling option without compromising big hitting batting.

 

4.  Hardik is having lower back issues and should not be given the 5th bowler's role. And he is an average bowler anyway.

 

 

 

 

Is he good to bat at 6? Can we trust him to score runs if he comes in early with more than 15 overs to remain? I feel he disturbs our team balance even in ODIs as well, besides Tests. 

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7 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Is he good to bat at 6? Can we trust him to score runs if he comes in early with more than 15 overs to remain? I feel he disturbs our team balance even in ODIs as well, besides Tests. 

he was Man of the series when he batted at 4 against Aus , forget 6 he is good to bat at 5 . Problem is we dont have many options to bat at 7 

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26 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

he was Man of the series when he batted at 4 against Aus , forget 6 he is good to bat at 5 . Problem is we dont have many options to bat at 7 

I don't remember the series. He averages 30 in ODIs. 

 

Forget about 7 as that is the position for a strong bowling all-rounder or a specialist bowler. Pandya at 7 weakens our bowling and at 6 weakens our batting. 

 

We need two Pandyas at 6 and 7, for this to work. 

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39 minutes ago, Lannister said:

I don't remember the series.

India-Aus 2017 series , avg 55 with bat 

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He averages 30 in ODIs. 

batting at 7 u cant have a high avg , we know how our top order plays taking most time and leaving very little time for pandya to only play one way . 

Even someone like yuvraj singh avg 29 till 2005 as he was batting at 6,7 with occasional promotion. His avg only improved once he batted above.

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Forget about 7 as that is the position for a strong bowling all-rounder or a specialist bowler. Pandya at 7 weakens our bowling and at 6 weakens our batting. 

how does pandya weaken our bowling as his eco is fine and is taking a wkt every game , neways u always need 6 bowlers every team has it . His ODI bowling numbers are similar to ben stokes infact eco is quite better

 

he is good enough to bat at 5 and his avg will only go up if he bats up the order like with everyone. he plays spin well, pace n bounce well so whats the issue 

 

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1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

batting at 7 u cant have a high avg , we know how our top order plays taking most time and leaving very little time for pandya to only play one way . 

Even someone like yuvraj singh avg 29 till 2005 as he was batting at 6,7 with occasional promotion. His avg only improved once he batted above.

You need someone to average 45+ at 6, because most likely we will be playing a specialist bowler at 7 since we don't have any good all-rounder. Pandya's 30 ave looks mediocre as per our batting requirements. I feel Pant is better equipped to bat in that position. He is similar to KL and can survive more than 15 overs. 

 

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

how does pandya weaken our bowling as his eco is fine and is taking a wkt every game , neways u always need 6 bowlers every team has it . His ODI bowling numbers are similar to ben stokes infact eco is quite better

Pandya's bowling average is 40+. He is at best can be used as a 6th bowler, not as a 5th bowler, and his batting is not upto the mark which is supposed to be his strong suit. 

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10 minutes ago, Lannister said:

You need someone to average 45+ at 6, because most likely we will be playing a specialist bowler at 7 since we don't have any good all-rounder. Pandya's 30 ave looks mediocre as per our batting requirements. I feel Pant is better equipped to bat in that position. He is similar to KL and can survive more than 15 overs. 

he can avg more n will only if he bats up , yea even pant can play .

No point repeating 30 avg again n again....its simple u cant avg high if u bat at those position....showed u yuvraj singh example. His job is to bat at higher s/r not worry about avg . Bat even rahul n pant at 7 even their avg will go for a toss

 

ur questioning pandya 29 avg and promoting pant who avg 26 and atleast has batted at better position

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Pandya's bowling average is 40+. He is at best can be used as a 6th bowler, not as a 5th bowler, and his batting is not upto the mark which is supposed to be his strong suit. 

fine for 5th bowler....stokes avg 41 and  his eco is also 6.1 way worse then pandya

Pandya has been a constant improvement and his stats will get better with time only

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5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

he can avg more n will only if he bats up , yea even pant can play .

No point repeating 30 avg again n again....its simple u cant avg high if u bat at those position....showed u yuvraj singh example. His job is to bat at higher s/r not worry about avg . Bat even rahul n pant at 7 even their avg will go for a toss

You can easily average 45+ at 6 considering the number of not outs. The point is can he bat more than 15 overs consistently? His average says otherwise. 

 

14 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

fine for 5th bowler....stokes avg 41 and  his eco is also 6.1 way worse then pandya

Pandya has been a constant improvement and his stats will get better with time only

But Stokes is a more dependable batsman and bats at 5 for his team. 

 

Pandya has already played 50+ matches and we have better batsmen warming the bench. 

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13 minutes ago, Lannister said:

You can easily average 45+ at 6 considering the number of not outs. The point is can he bat more than 15 overs consistently? His average says otherwise. 

but that wud affect ur s/r which isnt his role and has his career ended ??

yuvraj singh also cud manage a avg of 36 only at 6 .......only if ur a dhoni or bevan then only thats possible. But pandya role has been diff....his job is to cut loose which shows in his s/r

 

Our top order doesnt leave that much for him .

 

Again the question arises u want pandya to avg 45+ at 6 but promoting pant who avg 26 batting at better positions

13 minutes ago, Lannister said:

But Stokes is a more dependable batsman and bats at 5 for his team. 

he became over the years not in his initial years 

13 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Pandya has already played 50+ matches and we have better batsmen warming the bench. 

And in 50+ matches he has done very well 

No one in India can do his role

who are these better batsman who can do that job at 6,7 better then pandya ?

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I prefer Pant to play 6 and keep wickets.. Rahul keeping wickets does not look a good long term  solution to me.

 

Pandya can be no.7 if he can perform. we are longing for him to come back and do miracles. But there is no real certainty that he keeps his position even. He is not my no.6 

 

Shaw/ Gill

Rohit

Virat

Iyer

Rahul

Pant..

5 bowlers or bowlers plus all rounders 

Get Dhawan out .

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Dont know SKY is good or another hack at international level. So in the given options Manish is safest. 

None looks perfect for the role. On potential how about Sarfaraz and abhishek sharma.

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1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

but that wud affect ur s/r which isnt his role and has his career ended ??

yuvraj singh also cud manage a avg of 36 only at 6 .......only if ur a dhoni or bevan then only thats possible. But pandya role has been diff....his job is to cut loose which shows in his s/r

 

Our top order doesnt leave that much for him .

 

Again the question arises u want pandya to avg 45+ at 6 but promoting pant who avg 26 batting at better positions

Pandya averages 19 at #6, let that sink in.  Do you want to know Buttler's average at the same position? 

 

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29 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Pandya averages 19 at #6, let that sink in.  Do you want to know Buttler's average at the same position? 

 

and ur sample size is 4 games thats it

butler who avg 31 after 50 games ....wow to much of a diff from 29 .

butler avg 37 at 6 ......by ur standards of 45 he also false short. Ur going to compare a 4 match sample size to 64 match :facepalm:

 

 

ur talking about 45 avg and ur recommending pant who has avg of 26 . Do u knw pant avg 22 at 6th positon 

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13 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

and ur sample size is 4 games thats it

butler who avg 31 after 50 games ....wow to much of a diff from 29 .

butler avg 37 at 6 ......by ur standards of 45 he also false short. Ur going to compare a 4 match sample size to 64 match :facepalm:

 

 

ur talking about 45 avg and ur recommending pant who has avg of 26 . Do u knw pant avg 22 at 6th positon 

Buttler's average at #6 in last 4 years, 45 with a SR of 113. 

 

Where is the button to attach images? It's gone

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15 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

and ur sample size is 4 games thats it

butler who avg 31 after 50 games ....wow to much of a diff from 29 .

butler avg 37 at 6 ......by ur standards of 45 he also false short. Ur going to compare a 4 match sample size to 64 match :facepalm:

 

 

ur talking about 45 avg and ur recommending pant who has avg of 26 . Do u knw pant avg 22 at 6th positon 

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Pandya at 6,

 

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At 5,

 

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8 minutes ago, Lannister said:

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Jos Butler (England) - ODI Cricket
 
Performance Analysis by Batting Position
Position Inns NO 100s 50s 0s HS   Runs Avg S/R Ca St
4 11 2 2 2 3 116* 413 45.89 157.63 7 3
5 12 3 2 1 2 150 497 55.22 139.22 16 4
6 64 11 4 11 6 129 1977 37.30 111.13 71 18
7 29 6 1 6 1 121 922 40.09 117.45 42 4
8 1 1 0 0 0 34* 34   141.67 0 0
Overall 117 23 9 20 12 150 3843 40.88 119.83 171

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why to take sample size of 4 years take whole sample which will show u his avg dropping means in his intial games at 6 even he didnt do well , so means butler can fail at start but not hardik

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18 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Buttler's average at #6 in last 4 years, 45 with a SR of 113. 

 

Where is the button to attach images? It's gone

Pandya has played 4 innings at 6

lets see what butler did in his 1st four innings at number -6 

 

Innings by innings list
Runs Mins BF 4s 6s SR Pos Dismissal Inns   Opposition Ground Start DateAscending  
DNB - - - - - - - 2   v India Dharamsala 27 Jan 2013 ODI # 3329
21 18 13 0 2 161.53 6 caught 1   v New Zealand Hamilton 17 Feb 2013 ODI # 3335
DNB - - - - - - - 2   v New Zealand Napier 20 Feb 2013 ODI # 3336
3 5 4 0 0 75.00 6 caught 2   v New Zealand Auckland 23 Feb 2013 ODI # 3338
14 41 25 1 0 56.00 6 caught 1   v New Zealand Lord's 31 May 2013 ODI # 3360
2 5 3 0 0 66.66 6 caught 2   v New Zealand Southampton 2 Jun 2013 ODI # 3361
0 4 2 0 0 0.00 6 caught 1   v Sri Lanka The Oval 13 Jun 2013 ODI # 3370
14 17 9 2 0 155.55 6 caught 1   v New Zealand Cardiff 16 Jun 2013 ODI # 3373
12 15 17 1 0 70.58 6 caught 2   v West Indies North Sound 28 Feb 2014 ODI # 3477
0 1 1 0 0 0.00 6 caught 2   v West Indies North Sound 2 Mar 2014 ODI # 3480

 

 

So till first 8 innings at position 6 butler didnt even cross 25.....now i knw why u took a 4 year sample. 

 

What hypocrisy-

 

  • Pant is allowed to have 26 avg but pandya not 29
  • Butler is allowed to fail 8 games at no.6 but pandya not even 6 :cheer:
  • Butler highest score in 1st 8 games at 6 position 21 , pandya - 32 
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28 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:
Jos Butler (England) - ODI Cricket
 
Performance Analysis by Batting Position
Position Inns NO 100s 50s 0s HS   Runs Avg S/R Ca St
4 11 2 2 2 3 116* 413 45.89 157.63 7 3
5 12 3 2 1 2 150 497 55.22 139.22 16 4
6 64 11 4 11 6 129 1977 37.30 111.13 71 18
7 29 6 1 6 1 121 922 40.09 117.45 42 4
8 1 1 0 0 0 34* 34   141.67 0 0
Overall 117 23 9 20 12 150 3843 40.88 119.83 171

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why to take sample size of 4 years take whole sample which will show u his avg dropping means in his intial games at 6 even he didnt do well , so means butler can fail at start but not hardik

So? I took last 4 years data because that's when he made his debut. 

 

If he can't improve in 3-4 years, maybe we are investing in a wrong player. His average looks worst at all the positions he has batted. 

 

50+ games is not a small sample size. 

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18 minutes ago, Lannister said:

So? I took last 4 years data because that's when he made his debut. 

coz butler at that time already had exp of 3-4 years

18 minutes ago, Lannister said:

If he can't improve in 3-4 years, maybe we are investing in a wrong player. His average looks worst at all the positions he has batted. 

 

50+ games is not a small sample size. 

so after 50 match sample size even butler also avg 31....by that logic no one shud have invested in him also 

yuvraj singh avg was 30 till around 100 games so was rohit sharma, both are great in ODI format 

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Pandya is a great choice. He has mostly batted at #7 but can move up to #5-6.  While chasing (a pressure scenario relatively), his performance is superb: 

  • At #4, avg 60
  • At #5, avg 43
  • At #6, avg 47
  • At #7, avg 43

 

Pandya in form can win Ind a tournament

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13 hours ago, express bowling said:

Hardik Pandya

 

1.  He is the ideal choice to bat at 6 ... high SR big  hitter who can hit pacers too.

 

2.  Hardik at 6 allows us to play 5 specialist bowlers and 3 specialist pacers.

 

3. It allows us to have a good 6th bowling option without compromising big hitting batting.

 

4.  Hardik is having lower back issues and should not be given the 5th bowler's role. And he is an average bowler anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

Hardik is a 7 for me.

 

6 needs to be able to score a rearguard 75 off 90 when the top order collapses and the team is 80/4 after 20 overs to at least get to a somewhat competitive score. 

 

No evidence Hardik can do that.

 

What you are saying could work if the #7 was a clone of Hardik as far as batting goes. Jadeja is not that. 

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8 hours ago, SUMO said:

Dont know SKY is good or another hack at international level. So in the given options Manish is safest. 

None looks perfect for the role. On potential how about Sarfaraz and abhishek sharma.

SKY may be a hack like Dubey but we are 3 years from the 50 over WC and #6 is a very important position.

 

Try him and Rana and see if one of them succeeds. 

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9 hours ago, zen said:

Pandya is a great choice. He has mostly batted at #7 but can move up to #5-6.

Honestly, I see him more as a floater than a regular No. 5/6. When they're in a strong position while batting first and need quick runs, or when the target is high and required run rate is mounting, you send him in. But I don't think it's wise to play him as a regular top 6 batsman.

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10 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

coz butler at that time already had exp of 3-4 years

so after 50 match sample size even butler also avg 31....by that logic no one shud have invested in him also 

yuvraj singh avg was 30 till around 100 games so was rohit sharma, both are great in ODI format 

England was a **** team back when Buttler made his debut. Under Morgan, he helped them turn it around. 

 

Jadhav also made his debut at the same time as Pandya and look at his average. How many years do you need to improve? 

 

Pant is a must at 6 and is clearly a better option. 

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15 minutes ago, Lannister said:

England was a **** team back when Buttler made his debut. Under Morgan, he helped them turn it around. 

 

Jadhav also made his debut at the same time as Pandya and look at his average. How many years do you need to improve? 

 

Pant is a must at 6 and is clearly a better option. 

If yuvraj n rohit can take around odi why not pandya

If butler had almost same number then why not give pandya more time.

 

No one denying that pant can be good at 6 but im against ur logic of pandya is affecting side coz his avg is low is nonsense...going by ur avg logic pant has even lower avg. 

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1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

No one denying that pant can be good at 6 but im against ur logic of pandya is affecting side coz his avg is low is nonsense...going by ur avg logic pant has even lower avg. 

You want Indian team to waste 100 games on Pandya in the hopes of he will improve his game? That's ridiculous. 50+ games is more than enough for anyone to prove his mettle. He is a must for T20s, but India is better off without him in ODIs and Tests. 

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9 minutes ago, Lannister said:

You want Indian team to waste 100 games on Pandya in the hopes of he will improve his game? That's ridiculous. 50+ games is more than enough for anyone to prove his mettle. He is a must for T20s, but India is better off without him in ODIs and Tests. 

were 50+ games anough for yuvi, butler, rohit, stokes??? Nooo na  

and he has done enough 

also let me knw if u knw anyone who can do that role- power hitter at end and seam bowling all rounder

 

u wanna play jadeja at 7 or what in ODI ?

 

Oh btw did u knw even stokes avg 29 after 50 games :p:

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You're point doesn't make sense, why are you bringing Rohit & especially Yuvraj in here? Yuvraj played the second best ODI side ever, Waugh's Oz, in 2000 in a KO tournament & proved his mettle. Faced the best ODI side ever i.e. Oz in 2004 & scored a massive hundred down under, a great innings in Natwest final, played well at ICC CT in SL as well. Pandya has done nothing close in his initial years, the Oz series you are talking about had no Starc & a relatively depleted Oz.

 

If you are talking about potential, that favorite PP word, you might be right but Yuvraj & RSG both have much better ability than Pandya & they've shown it early in their careers. While Pandya is the best LO late hitter we've had in recent times, he's nowhere close to these 2 greats!

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44 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

You're point doesn't make sense, why are you bringing Rohit & especially Yuvraj in here? Yuvraj played the second best ODI side ever, Waugh's Oz, in 2000 in a KO tournament & proved his mettle. Faced the best ODI side ever i.e. Oz in 2004 & scored a massive hundred down under, a great innings in Natwest final, played well at ICC CT in SL as well. Pandya has done nothing close in his initial years, the Oz series you are talking about had no Starc & a relatively depleted Oz.

Pandya got a MOM on his debut for his bowling

Has won us a test match in england 

Made almost a 100 on a spicy pitch in Sa against Rabadda, Steyn, philander, morkel 

was batting very well in CT final till jadeja got him runout 

Won MOS against Aus batting at 4 which had cummins in it

 

@zen- has already put some numbers

Pandya is a great choice. He has mostly batted at #7 but can move up to #5-6.  While chasing (a pressure scenario relatively), his performance is superb: 

  • At #4, avg 60
  • At #5, avg 43
  • At #6, avg 47
  • At #7, avg 43

 

Pandya in form can win Ind a tournament

 

 

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If you are talking about potential, that favorite PP word, you might be right but Yuvraj & RSG both have much better ability than Pandya & they've shown it early in their careers. While Pandya is the best LO late hitter we've had in recent times, he's nowhere close to these 2 greats!

he is a LO hitter coz that his role, he cant be play an anchor batting at 4

how do u knw how n  where pandya will endup ???

When these guys were struggling for 5 yrs they were termed finished or even watse of talent 

 

IF ur saying all those were great talent well they all had similar stats like pandya till that point which says pandya hasnt done bad at all 

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1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Has won us a test match in england 

If he's the reason we won that test, he's also the reason we lost at least 3 others! You can't just big up his below avg numbers, in tests, & then skittle away all the valid criticism about other performances!

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

he is a LO hitter coz that his role, he cant be play an anchor batting at 4

In tests as well as ODI he's shown no such ability & please don't bring up our punching bags SL, otherwise there's also half a dozen tests, in SA/Eng away, where he's done jack!

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

When these guys were struggling for 5 yrs they were termed finished or even watse of talent 

That's not even remotely true, you're trying to rewrite history it seems! Yuvraj's major innings I've listed already, he had a dip in form but his ability was way above anyone new at that time barring Sehwag. RSG was instrumental in that inaugural WT20 win, he also had a huge role in the MO in VB series win circa 2008. I'm sure you have similar performances for Pandya lined up, don't you?

 

Just to be clear, I'm for Pandya in the (LOI games) lower order but comparing him to 2 of the best LO players ever is unwarranted atm, he has his major plus points but limited body of work behind him.

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26 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

If he's the reason we won that test, he's also the reason we lost at least 3 others! You can't just big up his below avg numbers, in tests, & then skittle away all the valid criticism about other performances!

really was he only playing ?? i thought it was the team of XI.

We also played a test without him in england n lost that.....

chalo ill take ur crap logic atleast he won 1 others 0 

 

take most big all rounder career number till 11-12 test 90% wud be below avg.....u wudnt be even able to handle shakib or kallis stats

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In tests as well as ODI he's shown no such ability & please don't bring up our punching bags SL, otherwise there's also half a dozen tests, in SA/Eng away, where he's done jack!

he was 2nd highest scorer for India in sa test series 

won a test match in england

 

u really have no idea what ur talking 

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That's not even remotely true, you're trying to rewrite history it seems! Yuvraj's major innings I've listed already, he had a dip in form but his ability was way above anyone new at that time barring Sehwag. RSG was instrumental in that inaugural WT20 win, he also had a huge role in the MO in VB series win circa 2008. I'm sure you have similar performances for Pandya lined up, don't you?

dip in form ?? he was the most inconsistent batsman till 5 yrs. He avg 29 till 120 ODI 

2007-08 now u have reached 7-8 n yrs of his career well let pandya play that much 1st 

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