SecondSlip Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) @Gollum Edited February 16, 2020 by SecondSlip Laaloo, beetle and Gollum 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Have come across a few (vernacular newspaper) Bengali articles talking about these illegals panicking and fleeing to BD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Global.Baba Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) That is still great news but unfortunately the ones that usually run away first are ones who have families or are just here making a living. Not justified though for being illegal. You have to hunt down the types that cause Malda type riots etc in West Bengal. Don’t let them run away. Modi-Shah need to bring back Guantanamo type system. The only guy who had guts to do something similar was PVN with TADA. He should be the poster by for the Sangh not that wuss Vajpayee. Edited February 16, 2020 by Global.Baba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 52 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: not that wuss Vajpayee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) I won't even blame the Bangladeshis that much, obviously they will seek greener pastures, onus lies with India to reguate inflow. 99% fault lies with Congress, Left and more recently the TMC scumbags. So many decades of Congress misrule , hope me, my next gen and the gen after never have to see that crooked party in power at centre. Hope Sonia Gandhi is made to pay for her crimes. Edited February 16, 2020 by Gollum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 But, But, But, we have so many other priorities like unemployment, poverty, why are we bothered about such trivial issues? Laaloo and Gollum 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Laaloo said: Just the beginning 2024 Modi 2029 Shah 2034 Shah 2039 Shah Lots of pain for enemies/freeloaders of this watan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 minute ago, coffee_rules said: But, But, But, we have so many other priorities like unemployment, poverty, why are we bothered about such trivial issues? Libbus are stupid creatures, how can there be tangible progress without correcting wrongs imposed on India by Congress for so many decades? It will take Modi 3 tenures to get rid of that stink and then hopefully we build. So many Congie traitors in our bureaucracy, police forces, judiciary, universities, even army. Media ki toh baat hi choro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 23 minutes ago, Gollum said: Nope he is a wuss. A ”secular” poet with some socialist ideology, a perfect liberandu wet dream. Modi-Shah are in a spot and are expediting things that should have been implemented 20+ years back and should have been the norm by now . Technically 73 years back but obviously that’s a different debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: Nope he is a wuss. A ”secular” poet with some socialist ideology, a perfect liberandu wet dream. Would liberandus support this? Quote Modi-Shah are in a spot and are expediting things that should have been implemented 20+ years back and should have been the norm by now . Technically 73 years back but obviously that’s a different debate. Vajpayee never had the mandate. He himself promised implementation of 370 abrogation the day he would form single largest majority. Besides Modi/Shah are sitting on shoulders of giants, Vajpayee and Advani transformed a party that won 2 seats in 1984 to one that came to power. They built the damn thing, now these 2 don't have to worry that much about party building because the cadre, system, infra etc all are in place. Also unimaginable opposition to BJP during Vajpayee's time, besides who shielded Modi after 2002? Edited February 16, 2020 by Gollum Stradlater and coffee_rules 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Global.Baba said: The only guy who had guts to do something similar was PVN with TADA. What happened to Rao's guts when KPs were being slaughtered and driven away from the valley? I respect Rao but if you want to nit-pick and disrespect a legend like ABV it can be countered easily. ABV supported Rao more than other top Congress leaders, both were nationalists. Don't need to insult one to glorify the other. Edited February 16, 2020 by Gollum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Gollum said: Would liberandus support this? Vajpayee never had the mandate. He himself promised implementation of 370 abrogation the day he would form single largest majority. Besides Modi/Shah are sitting on shoulders of giants, Vajpayee and Advani transformed a party that won 2 seats in 1984 to one that came to power. They built the damn thing, now these 2 don't have to worry that much about party building because the cadre, system, infra etc all are in place. Also unimaginable opposition to BJP during Vajpayee's time, besides who shielded Modi after 2002? The rath yatra was a total Advani vehicle (no pun intended). Advani was the real deal. Vajpayee was just a congressman in BJP. As far as mandate goes Narsimha Rao was on thin ice too as a leader even though Congress did get sympathy votes in 91 due to RaGa sr assassination. Lot of people also argue that Rao has no option for his LPG policies and he was backed into a corner.That’s usually a cop out when you don’t understand the mental toughness it required to make tough decisions in tough situations. Not everyone backed into a corner fights back,99% give up and die. Anyway preaching to the choir as we are pretty much on the same page when it comes to Rao. Also Rao appointed Vajpayee as a UN Rep. Anyway why do you think I am demeaning Vajpayee only to glorify Rao? Vajpayee’s tenure was just a business as usual term. It seemed like a guy reaping the fruits of previous admin waiting to pass on the torch to the next gen. In fact Advani should have been PM and not Vajpayee. Remember The whole Indo-Pak friendship fiasco. As I said Vajpayee was nothing more than a kaangressi in the wrong party. Edited February 16, 2020 by Global.Baba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Also @Gollum I am not saying Vajpayee was a bad guy. I just think he was useless. Rao put Sonia away and didn’t let her in. That’s the reason she hates him till today. Do you think Shah- Modi duo would ever let that Italian worm grow into a huge serpent? There is a reason why Kaangresis heap praises on Vajpayee despite him being a sanghi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 19 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: Also @Gollum I am not saying Vajpayee was a bad guy. I just think he was useless. Rao put Sonia away and didn’t let her in. That’s the reason she hates him till today. Do you think Shah- Modi duo would ever let that Italian worm grow into a huge serpent? There is a reason why Kaangresis heap praises on Vajpayee despite him being a sanghi You sound like a guy who rates skipper MS/Kohli above Ganguly or Wadekar/Sunny above Pataudi based on W/L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Just now, Gollum said: You sound like a guy who rates skipper MS/Kohli above Ganguly or Wadekar/Sunny above Pataudi based on W/L So you are saying Vajpayee was Ganguly here? Wouldn't that be Rao in this case as the guy who set the tone for others? If any Vajpayee was like Kohli.Kohli is a genius batsman and Vajpayee probably a great poet (I have no clue about his standing in Hindi literature) but based on what i heard from others from that space he was quiet good. Both were/are useless leaders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: Also @Gollum I am not saying Vajpayee was a bad guy. I just think he was useless. Rao put Sonia away and didn’t let her in. That’s the reason she hates him till today. Do you think Shah- Modi duo would ever let that Italian worm grow into a huge serpent? There is a reason why Kaangresis heap praises on Vajpayee despite him being a sanghi That time there was a lot of reservation about BJP, we needed a moderate face like Vajpayee to build the party and form the core base, also gain acceptability as an alternative to Congress. Hindutva was what 10-12% of our pop, a party needs at least double of that to form govt in centre....so needed many centre-right voters. With Advani as in-charge we would have been just like these alt-right parties in Europe that make lots of noises but don't win much. India wasn't ready for Modi/Shah like characters in the 90s. We also did well economically under ABV, unlike Modi regime. Congies hate ABV, don't go by their cunning attempts to villify Modi. Italian worm grew into a serpent in 2004-2014 period, thank the stupid voters for that. Edited February 16, 2020 by Gollum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Rao was HM during anti-Sikh riots, was sleeping. Vajpayee never had a low like that, in any capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Gollum said: That time there was a lot of reservation about BJP, we needed a moderate face like Vajpayee to build the party and form the core base, also gain acceptability as an alternative to Congress. Hindutva was what 10-12% of our pop, a party needs at least double of that to form govt in centre....so needed many centre-right voters. With Advani as in-charge we would have been just like these alt-right parties in Europe that make lots of noises but don't win much. India wasn't ready for Modi/Shah like characters in the 90s. We also did well economically under ABV, unlike Modi regime. Congies hate ABV, don't go by their cunning attempts to villify Modi. Italian worm grew into a serpent in 2004-2014 period, thank the stupid voters for that. Nope not really. The same was said when Modi became the PM or even Yogi became CM of India’s largest state or even Pragya won a ticket. This wasn’t some long term genius planning. I have read various sources ranging from Subramanian Swamy to Tavleen Singh to other political commentators as to how Vajpayee had the opportunity to erase Sonia from Indian politics but let it slide. India was ready for Hindutva in 1947 leave alone 1990, this is just a liberandu bill of good that has been sold to public that Hindutva is a new phenomenon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gollum said: Rao was HM during anti-Sikh riots, was sleeping. Vajpayee never had a low like that, in any capacity. Again why is it Vajpayee vs Rao? Fair enough Rao had a low but he also had a high of being the architect of modern india. Even the nuclear program it’s well known how Rao passed on the torch to Vajpayee. Vajpayee neither had a high or low because he was a clown. I would compare Vajpayee with Nehru but with better moral character. They both had this so called romanticized poetic vision of things that wasn’t practical and both were incompetent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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