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No India wasn't ready for Hindutva in 1947. Congress was too dominant then.

 

Anyway me personally prefer Dharmic India over Hindutva India....don't want us to be the mirror image of Islamic states. India can never be a homogeneous entity, the only good thing I find in Hindutva is it opposes division of Hindus based on caste system...I firmly believe Hindutva can demolish the barriers of caste division, libbus say the opposite thing but they are pretty dumb. 

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6 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

Vajpayee neither had a high or low because he was a clown. 

Google is your best friend dude. If you don't find his achievements good enough, can't change your mind. But foundation of today's BJP was built by him, Advani, Murli Manohar Joshi etc. 

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Just now, Gollum said:

Google is your best friend dude. If you don't find his achievements good enough, can't change your mind. But foundation of today's BJP was built by him, Advani, Murli Manohar Joshi etc. 

sure. Vajpayee was a player in Building BJP will give him that. But thank good there is no handprint of Vajpayee in what BJP has become today.

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8 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

Wrong understanding of Hindutva. Hindutva is a nationalistic ideology not a religious one. If you are a Muslim or Christian you are more than welcome to join the RSS as long as you beleive in nationhood 

Both actually, also linguistic, cultural....

 

If you believe India was ready to accept Hindutva in 1947 you are only kidding yourself. Hindutva voices then didn't have-> presence on streets, finance power, muscle power, intellectual heavyweights.....irrelevant. 

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Just now, Gollum said:

Both actually, also linguistic, cultural....

 

If you believe India was ready to be Hindutva in 1947 you are only kidding yourself. Hindutva voices then didn't have presence on streets, finance power, muscle power, intellectual heavyweights.....irrelevant. 

You misunderstood what I said. I am speaking in terms of public acceptance. If there was a Modi-Shah stature player in 1947 public would have embraced them open arms.

 

In fact a lot of freedom fighters have lost their properties donating to Bose’s INA fund which means indians we’re ready for a fight and in fact that was a key turning point in India’s freedom. Not the khadg bina dhaal bs we have been sold.


That’s kind of a precursor to the nationalism flavor we see today.

 

Of course Nehru was a huge power player and lot of that history has been lost how he politkced his way into him,his family  and his minions looting this country for 50+ years

 

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8 minutes ago, Global.Baba said:

You misunderstood what I said. I am speaking in terms of public acceptance. If there was a Modi-Shah stature player in 1947 public would have embraced them open arms.

But there weren't any like Modi/Shah, right? Freedom struggle was spearheaded by Congress and Bose (LW), others were minor players. So India wasn't ready for Hindutva then. Maybe had Hindutva leaders pulled their socks up in the pre-1947 years and mobilized masses......

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In fact a lot of freedom fighters have lost their properties donating to Bose’s INA fund which means indians we’re ready for a fight and in fact that was a key turning point in India’s freedom. Not the khadg bina dhaal bs we have been sold.

Not disagreeing but aren't you digressing? Hindutva had no platform then. 1946 naval mutiny was done by communists. 

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That’s kind of a precursor to the nationalism flavor we see today.

Bose's nationalism fervour was quite different compared to the Hindutva inspired one. Forward Bloc was a commie party. 

 

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3 hours ago, Global.Baba said:

That is still great news but  unfortunately the ones that usually run away first are ones who have families or are just here  making a living. Not justified though for being illegal.
 

You have to hunt down the types that cause Malda type riots etc in West Bengal. Don’t let them run away. Modi-Shah need to bring back Guantanamo type system.

 

The only guy who had guts to do something similar  was PVN with TADA. He should be the poster by for the Sangh not that wuss Vajpayee.

aren't they known as elected members of TMC

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2 minutes ago, Stradlater said:

India was so ready for Hindutva back then that Hindu RW parties were forming coalition Govts with the Muslim League while the Quit India Movement was going on. 

We have to support these Hindutva forces because of TINA factor. But the way they want to rewrite history books and glorify their ideologues is hilarious. Their heroes did more harm than good when it came to our freedom struggle, excessive praise for so little.....opportunistic pigs (alliance with Muslim League) and cowards. 

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Just now, Gollum said:

But there weren't any like Modi/Shah, right? Freedom struggle was spearheded by Congress and Bose (LW). So India wasn't ready for Hindutva then. Maybe had Hindutva leaders pulled up their socks in the pre-1947 years and mobilized masses......

Not disagreeing but aren't you digressing? Hindutva had no platform then. 1946 naval mutiny was done by communists. 

Bose's nationalism fervour was quite different compared to the Hindutva inspired one. Forward Bloc was a commie party. 

 

Again we are going in circles. What is Hindutva? It’s a nationalistic movement.

 

It has nothing to do with Hindu-Muslim.

 

The locals going all in and uniting to fight the foreign power for a common cause, isn’t that a nationalistic fervor against the existing bs about peace and love and ahmisa and other exiting bs at that time. By the way ahimsa is not a bad thing just like being liberal or believing in women’s empowerment etc, but when it reaches a level of shoving it down your throat and losing basic amount of dignity or defying logic in the pseudo territory today it becomes a menace.

 

So 2 things, nationalistic fervor existed in 1947 as much as it does now. I don’t think any Hindu on here who cheers for BJP and Modi- Shah would want a genocide of other religions , As I said this rise in Hindutva is a frustration against appeasement politics and pseudo secularism not against secularism.

 

Please read RSS manifesto if you get a chance. Here is an excerpt and tell me which part isn’t secular?

 

 I picked RSS because it is the poster child of Hindutva.  So what Bose did or Sardar and PVN did with some extreme steps are no different than the so called Hindutva ideology and they always had the love of the public 

 

There could be only one explanation for the continuing march of the Sangh from strength to strength: The emotive response of the millions to the vision of Bharat’s national glory, based on the noblest values constituting the cultural and spiritual legacy of the land and collectively called ‘Dharma’, comprising faith in the oneness of the human race, the underlying unity of all religious traditions, the basic divinity of the human being, complementarity and inter-relatedness of all forms of creation both animate and inanimate, and the primacy of spiritual experience. That the mission of the Sangh is in tune with a millennia old heritage itself carries an irresistible appeal.

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5 minutes ago, Stradlater said:

Also limiting Bose to Hindutva is a plain nonsense. He was much bigger than that. 

 

Of course it is. Also limiting the ideology of Hindutva to just some bhagwa wearing sadhus chanting Jai Shri Ram is equally nonsensical 

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6 minutes ago, Stradlater said:

Also limiting Bose to Hindutva is a plain nonsense. He was much bigger than that. 

 

Hindutvawadis also want to appropriate Ambedkar, Sardar Patel....and look at this monstrosity

Image result for savarkar bhagat singh statue

WTF is that coward Savarkar doing alongside Bhagat Singh and Bose? Both who selflessly gave up their lives for the cause while this hero was writing apology letters and finding loopholes to protect himself from the gallows. 

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1 minute ago, Gollum said:

We have to support these Hindutva forces because of TINA factor. But the way they want to rewrite history books and glorify their ideologues is hilarious. Their heroes did more harm than good when it came to our freedom struggle, excessive praise for so little.....opportunistic pigs (alliance with Muslim League) and cowards. 

Hindutva as defined by the RSS and it's sister organizations is a much bigger threat to our country's sovereignty than so called internal jihadis. These charlatans have always looked out for themselves instead of the bigger national cause if history is anything to go by. 

 

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