rkt.india Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) He didn't undergo back surgery. I suspect without surgery back injury might surface again. They had messed up Aron in 2012 when they had said he didn't need surgery but then eventually had vo through it. Was on sidelines for one and a half years due to that fiasco. Edited February 24, 2020 by rkt.india Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said: If you want to become a world class bowler you have to excel in variety of conditions. We saw how Rabada struggled with SG ball in India. Bit like that Bumrah is struggling in swinging conditions on a not so pacy pitch. His pace is ideal for playing shots. Bumrah did fine in swinging conditions in England. In fact, conditions were quite benign after day 1. Also, people are blaming bowlers for getting NZ out at 350 on a flat pitch. Batsmen are to be blamed. Needed to score at least 450 in second innings. Edited February 24, 2020 by rkt.india sandsaims and Vilander 2 Link to comment
Vilander Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 12 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Bumrah did fine in swinging conditions in England. In fact, conditions were quite benign after day 1. Also, people are blaming bowlers for getting NZ out at 350 on a flat pitch. Batsmen are to be blamed. Needed to score at least 450 in second innings. tail scored far too many runs. There was mistake from bowlers as well and yes second inning batting was capitulation. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Bumrah did fine in swinging conditions in England. In fact, conditions were quite benign after day 1. Also, people are blaming bowlers for getting NZ out at 350 on a flat pitch. Batsmen are to be blamed. Needed to score at least 450 in second innings. But you don't use Kookaburra there for Tests Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 18 minutes ago, rkt.india said: He didn't undergo back surgery. I suspect without surgery back injury might surface again. They had messed up Aron in 2012 when they had said he didn't need surgery but then eventually had vo through it. Was on sidelines for one and a half years due to that fiasco. He didn't look in any discomfort. He had wheels right through. His action also looked okay. May be there is something wrong uncocking his wrists. Link to comment
cowboysfan Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 He needs to bowl fuller ,dont think he will get a hang of bowling in these conditions. Link to comment
Deucalion Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 his bowling action. he has unique kind of bowling style. becoz of that. he is suffering. his body take alot of tool becoz of it.he wont be the same again. sandsaims and Norman 1 1 Link to comment
Adi_91 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 We have seen this far too many times. A promising bowler getting found out after initial success. Hope, it is not the same old syndrome, for Indian Cricket’s sake. Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I think Bumrah is a bit wary of giving his 100% because he is returning from injury. And this is probably not a conscious decision either but is just happening. Pace, zip off the deck and heaviness of ball ... all these factors have become inconsistent. Sometimes there and sometimes not. Earlier, he was always hurrying the batsmen and making them jump. He is moving the ball much less than his pre-injury days. His length and line have become less aggressive. He is bowling shorter and more leg-sidish. Probably because he is moving the ball less. In short, he has not got his rhythm back after injury. Could well be a mental thing ... that is being cautious about using his whole body due to his recent injury. Mosher 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 11 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: He didn't look in any discomfort. He had wheels right through. His action also looked okay. May be there is something wrong uncocking his wrists. He didn't look in discomfort even in WI but turned out he played with back injury. Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 14 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: Neither Bumrah nor Shami lost any pace. Their bowling style is not suitable here. You have to bowl a little slower and let the ball swing. Bumrah was bowling 140 kph to 150 kph consistently in tests in Australia in 2018-19 while bowling with the Kookabura ... but still getting consistent swing as well as seam movement. You don't have to bowl slower to get swing. Swing at pace actually results in late swing. Quote If you want blow the batsmen with pace you need to bowl at 150 clicks. Bumrah can blow away the opposition with pace while bowling at 138 k to 148 k too. Because of the zip off the deck, the heaviness of his balls, his closer release points and his deceptive action. Quote In order to extract bounce they have to pitch very short as they are relatively shorter which often goes over the keeper. They are unable to get bounce from a good length like Ishant gets. Ishant is taller. Naturally he will get more bounce. Also they don't get movement as they bowl too fast and they are skiddier. You cannot get wickets that easily without movement. When Bumrah is bowling at a 100% then he gets good bounce off length. He keeps hitting the high part of the bat and makes batters jump This happens because of his high arm action, his unusually long limbs which result in a high release point for his height and his strong wrist action. Mosher, MK55 and Suhaan 3 Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 When a pacer is in rhythm then his pace, bounce, accuracy and movement all improve. It is not an either / or scenario. Bumrah is not getting his rhythm right. Suhaan and Mosher 1 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 16 minutes ago, rkt.india said: He didn't look in discomfort even in WI but turned out he played with back injury. Bumrah's pace was sign8ficantly down in the first test in the WI ... because of which some of us kept pointing out that him carrying a niggle was possible. In NZ, he is not bowling significantly slower than usual. Mosher 1 Link to comment
Suhaan Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, express bowling said: Bumrah's pace was sign8ficantly down in the first test in the WI ... because of which some of us kept pointing out that him carrying a niggle was possible. In NZ, he is not bowling significantly slower than usual. He seems to have rushed in,he did well in t20s but didn't look focused after that,i think IPL is in his mind ,he thinks his place in the side is a given,he thinks he can sort out things in IPL,we can't deny players across globe have started prioritizing IPL over national duty,this is bitter but true Link to comment
sandsaims Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 He shouldn't have been rushed back, it's like he is playing for the country to prove his fitness for the IPL. Link to comment
SUMO Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 His non bowling arm is not as stiff while delivering as earlier. May be he is saving himself and not bending his back to get the kick of the pitch. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 hour ago, express bowling said: Bumrah's pace was sign8ficantly down in the first test in the WI ... because of which some of us kept pointing out that him carrying a niggle was possible. In NZ, he is not bowling significantly slower than usual. He has been seen bowling 127-128. Link to comment
bhakum20 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Suhaan said: He seems to have rushed in,he did well in t20s but didn't look focused after that,i think IPL is in his mind ,he thinks his place in the side is a given,he thinks he can sort out things in IPL,we can't deny players across globe have started prioritizing IPL over national duty,this is bitter but true i really doubt bumrah takes his place for granted. He’s one of the most intelligent and hardworking cricketers we’ve ever had. Most have pointed out lack of consistency which is something he will have to figure out on his own or TM. A county stint would be much more useful than smashing batsmen for fun in ranji Link to comment
bhakum20 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 16 hours ago, sergio04 said: Teams have worked him out. well that’s the game isn’t it. How bumrah bounces back will determine whether he’ll become one of the greats or just another flash in the pan sergio04 and Adi_91 1 1 Link to comment
bhakum20 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, rkt.india said: He has been seen bowling 127-128. It can happen to the best. Let’s cut him some slack. More concerning is lack of that top of off line that made him so dangerous with 3 modes of dismissal in play, and the swaying down leg side Edited February 25, 2020 by bhakum20 express bowling 1 Link to comment
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