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Gollum Grand Master

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Is there any country where they are co-existing with other communities?

 

Bhai they are 15% in India, forget it, there won't be any peace. If things continue this way we might have to resort to an apartheid like arrangement in the future, as will many other countries including the developed ones in Europe. 

 

Maybe best bet is inducting them into the dharmic fold. Can be (namesake) Muslim and dharmic like Kalam, but impractical to expect 100s of millions to accept that path. Ghar wapsi? Changing some basic features in our constitution? 

 

If someone can come up with an implementable solution to your question he/she will be the greatest human being of all time. 

 

Think I have posted this before. 

 

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Not entirely accurate (even the data), things are much worse. But an interesting take nonetheless, simple layman explanation.

How Islam progressively takes over countries

By Mark Ellis

In Dr. Peter Hammond’s book, “Slavery, Terrorism and Islam,” he documents the way Muslims slowly develop a presence in various countries and as their population numbers build, become more aggressive and assertive about exercising Sharia law.

“Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life,” Dr. Hammond notes in his book. “Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.”


Their takeover of a country, what Dr. Hammond refers to as “Islamization,” begins when the population of Muslims reaches a critical mass, and they being to agitate for various privileges.

Open, free, democratic societies are particularly vulnerable. “When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well,” he notes.

This is how it works, according to Dr. Hammond:

When the Muslim population remains under 2% in a country, they will be seen primarily as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the current situation in:

United States — Muslim 0.6%

Australia — Muslim 1.5%

Canada — Muslim 1.9%

China — Muslim 1.8%

Italy — Muslim 1.5%

Norway — Muslim 1.8%

As the Muslim population reaches 2% to 5%, they begin to recruit from ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, within prisons and street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark — Muslim 2%

Germany — Muslim 3.7%

United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%

Spain — Muslim 4%

Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

“From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population,” Dr. Hammond notes. “For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food” and increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature such food on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is happening in:

France — Muslim 8%

Philippines — 5%

Sweden — Muslim 5%

Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%

The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%

Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

Soon they begin to apply pressure to allow Sharia law within their own communities (sometimes ghettos).

“When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions,” Dr. Hammond notes. “In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam.” These tensions are seen on a regular basis in:

Guyana — Muslim 10%

India — Muslim 13.4%

Israel — Muslim 16%

Kenya — Muslim 10%

Russia — Muslim 15%

The violence increases when the Muslim population reaches 20%. “After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues,” such as in:

Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

“At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare,” such as in:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%

Chad — Muslim 53.1%

Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, persecution of non-believing “infidels” rises significantly, including sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia law as a weapon, and Jizya, a tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania — Muslim 70%

Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%

Qatar — Muslim 77.5%

Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out “infidels,” and move toward a 100% Muslim society, which has been experienced to some degree in:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%

Egypt — Muslim 90%

Gaza — Muslim 98.7%

Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%

Iran — Muslim 98%

Iraq — Muslim 97%

Jordan — Muslim 92%

Morocco — Muslim 98.7%

Pakistan — Muslim 97%

Palestine — Muslim 99%

Syria — Muslim 90%

Tajikistan — Muslim 90%

Turkey — Muslim 99.8%

United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

A 100% Muslim society will theoretically usher in their version of peace — the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. “Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrassas are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word,” such as in:

Afghanistan — Muslim 100%

Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%

Somalia — Muslim 100%

Yemen — Muslim 100%

Dr. Hammond observes this Islamic ideal is seldom realized. “Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.”

“It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia law,” he states.

Dr. Hammond is also concerned by demographic trends. “Today’s 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world’s population,” he observes. “But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world’s population by the end of this century.”

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

‘Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel.’ —
Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’

It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos,within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts nor schools nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large.

The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.


from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book:
‘Slavery, Terrorism and Islam:
The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat’

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Gollum Grand Master

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Found this on some blog, again reposting.

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Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Bahai's = No Problem
Bahai's living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Bahai's = No Problem
Bahai's living with Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem

Now..

Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Bahai's = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem

MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG
PROBLEM !

 

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Gollum Grand Master

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Wrong title bhai. It should be Muslim-XYZ communal mess. We don't have major problems with Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, Christians, Parsis, Atheists, Bahais...maybe a few isolated instances but nothing ingrained. 

 

But in the only Muslim majority state in India, non-Muslims (not just Hindus) have been driven out and never allowed to return. Onus lies on whom? 

 

Some discomfort expected for ICF liberals courtesy my posts but unless they can give a timeline/solution about return of KPs/K-Sikhs/K-Buddhists to their ancestral homes, not going to be bothered. 

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Laaloo Grand Master

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1 hour ago, Stan AF said:

Unpopular solution : Reduce the goddamn population in the Northern states. There are literally just too many people and this is the perfect start for any communal problems.

Muslims will say, kaffir Hindus want to remain in majority and stop us from progressing!!!

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26 minutes ago, Stradlater said:

Yeah as if things were all rosy before 2014.

Want me to list out the number of riots under Congress Raj? 

I never said bring back Congress Raj. I think as a nation we have to look beyond Congress and BJP both, But what do we have ? AAP, Not ready to take the responsibility of the entire nation, Sadly we have no where to go. We need Gandhi mukt Congress and in BJP i have no faith . We are stuck between the rock and a hard place. 

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4 minutes ago, Sachinism said:

Don't elect people who further push the divide.

 

White people have been pillaging the world for centuries, while telling the oppressed to blames others who are also oppressed. Works so well.

Can you tell me divisive policies of the current govt.?

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Sean Bradley said:

I never said bring back Congress Raj. I think as a nation we have to look beyond Congress and BJP both, But what do we have ? AAP, Not ready to take the responsibility of the entire nation, Sadly we have no where to go. We need Gandhi mukt Congress and in BJP i have no faith . We are stuck between the rock and a hard place. 

Well that's neither here nor there. I still believe BJP is the lesser evil as long as they keep a few of their controversial leaders in check. 

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I see a partial solution in Bengal. 

Hindu Bengalis became open enough to accommodate and integrate moderate Muslims. Thus even Muslim families are ready to marry their girls to Hindu boys in Bengal. 

Muslims in Bangledesh are also Secular to that extent where there has begun an internal war between moderate Muslims and extremist Muslims. 

 

But problem is this that this Secular approach had although worked in Indian Bengal, but I see that it has been totally failed in the Secular Europe. Very huge part of Muslim community is not ready to get integrated in the Secular European culture. 

 

 

Another hope is increase in Atheist Movement among the Muslims. But this movement is in it's very initial stages. It needs time to develop and challenge the extremist Islam. 

 

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