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20 minutes ago, Scarface said:

"Laaton ke bhoot baaton ...." - I assume the general meaning is "Some idiots don't listen and need to be beaten". But what is the full phrase and translation?

Laaton ki bhoot, baaton se nahin maante

 

Words are of no use to some, who can be straightened only by kicks (from the leg)

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3 hours ago, Autonomous said:

Why do indians generally like shoaib malik?

Because he doesn't come across as an asshole.  Seems like a normal nice guy, sincere even.  not a 'try hard' out to impress his home fanbase with extra hostility. Even his "all muslims" comment is sort of forgiven/forgotten because of that.  Maybe the fact that he's a bits and pieces role player, not really a player that threatens to win a match - that could also be part of it.

 

In reality most Indians can 'like' a lot of Pakistanis - Indians may talk a lot of trash, but are generally not grudge-holders.  

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8 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Because he doesn't come across as an asshole.  Seems like a normal nice guy, sincere even.  not a 'try hard' out to impress his home fanbase with extra hostility. Even his "all muslims" comment is sort of forgiven/forgotten because of that.  Maybe the fact that he's a bits and pieces role player, not really a player that threatens to win a match - that could also be part of it.

 

In reality most Indians can 'like' a lot of Pakistanis - Indians may talk a lot of trash, but are generally not grudge-holders.  

I had zero hopes from him in CT2009 but he scored a hundred somehow. 

 

Malik was very average against pace but brutal against spin in his career.  

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11 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Because he doesn't come across as an asshole.  Seems like a normal nice guy, sincere even.  not a 'try hard' out to impress his home fanbase with extra hostility. Even his "all muslims" comment is sort of forgiven/forgotten because of that.  Maybe the fact that he's a bits and pieces role player, not really a player that threatens to win a match - that could also be part of it.

 

In reality most Indians can 'like' a lot of Pakistanis - Indians may talk a lot of trash, but are generally not grudge-holders.  

Another interesting person is Misbah. 

 

The guy played an odd shot in 2007 T20WC although he played well. 

 

Second time, he went on to play a match losing innings in mohali.

 

I think he is also generally liked due to his persona. However is it also down to him not being able to pull it off against India? 

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3 hours ago, Autonomous said:

I think he is also generally liked due to his persona. However is it also down to him not being able to pull it off against India? 

Naah.  Indians in general tend to respect quality players - Misbah was seen as a guy capable of winning a game, especially because he did it twice - tied the league stage game in that WC too, and almost won WC for Pakistan in the final.

 

That sort of fighting spirit fits in nicely with the legend of Javed Miandad's sharjah win etc.  So Misbah is seen in that vein.  Personally, I could see an educated smart player, who was trying to do a good job for his team, surrounded by inconsistent unreliable wannabe 'superstars' - bought him sympathy.   I'm not blind to Misbah's flaws - he clearly could be stubborn, and even selfish at times.  But overall he was a guy who added value to his team - both as player and captain.

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How do "south Indians" define what a "north Indian" is?  I remember a guy I used to work with - he was from Chennai - referred to me as a "North Indian", and I was quite surprised - I'm from Bombay, with gujju roots - never considered myself north Indian - in my head, that's UP/Punjab, Himachal, Haryana etc.  But is Maharashtra/Gujarat really considered "north Indian" by madrasis, mallus etc?

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1 minute ago, sandeep said:

Naah.  Indians in general tend to respect quality players - Misbah was seen as a guy capable of winning a game, especially because he did it twice - tied the league stage game in that WC too, and almost won WC for Pakistan in the final.

 

That sort of fighting spirit fits in nicely with the legend of Javed Miandad's sharjah win etc.  So Misbah is seen in that vein.  Personally, I could see an educated smart player, who was trying to do a good job for his team, surrounded by inconsistent unreliable wannabe 'superstars' - bought him sympathy.   I'm not blind to Misbah's flaws - he clearly could be stubborn, and even selfish at times.  But overall he was a guy who added value to his team - both as player and captain.

Do you think Misbah "feasted" on UAE wickets and made use of the situation (Spot fixing saga in 2010 and no home cricket hence UAE) to his benefit?

 

Consider that he retires 40+ which also sets a bad precedent in a way that many players would try to "linger on"? Also consider that during the time (2013-2015), Haris Sohail was piling tons of runs. 

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14 minutes ago, sandeep said:

How do "south Indians" define what a "north Indian" is?  I remember a guy I used to work with - he was from Chennai - referred to me as a "North Indian", and I was quite surprised - I'm from Bombay, with gujju roots - never considered myself north Indian - in my head, that's UP/Punjab, Himachal, Haryana etc.  But is Maharashtra/Gujarat really considered "north Indian" by madrasis, mallus etc?

All blokes outside of the five states are north Indians. South is only TN, Kerala, AP, Telengana and Karnataka I count Pondy as TN.  Only people from NCR, UP, Bihar, Haryana and Punjab are Bloody North Indians, rest are just North Indians.

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18 minutes ago, sandeep said:

How do "south Indians" define what a "north Indian" is?  I remember a guy I used to work with - he was from Chennai - referred to me as a "North Indian", and I was quite surprised - I'm from Bombay, with gujju roots - never considered myself north Indian - in my head, that's UP/Punjab, Himachal, Haryana etc.  But is Maharashtra/Gujarat really considered "north Indian" by madrasis, mallus etc?

Anyone to the north of KN, TG and AP is a North Indian to most of us. :p:

 

We had a guy from Orissa during college who used to get so offended for some reason whenever someone called him a North Indian. We always wondered what the fuk is wrong with him. Later realized we were the dumbos.:phehe:

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1 hour ago, Autonomous said:

Why do indians generally like shoaib malik?

He is not ott offensive type.....unlike the clown who decided to give a performance at wagah.

 

Irrespective of his overall career,he has been very sucessful against India and that gets him respect as a cricketer. 

 

He is married to a successful Indian and both have managed to keep a fairly balanced relationship despite the challenges faced by such couples .

The fact that he has never publicly  tried to force his nationalism on her is appreciated .

 

The fact that he has fully accepted her status and position as a top sportswoman is appreciated ....specially considering it is not so easy for a man and family  from the subcontinent .

 

He along with Younis and Misbah are seen as positive  people .

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27 minutes ago, beetle said:

Aaya ram gayaa rams are fence sitters who change sides whenever it suits them.

 

It is often  used for politicians.

Now, that I think, it is akin to Johnny come lately, somebody who has his 15 mins of fame and fades away soon.

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2 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

I have heard Bollywoodiyas strereotyping farsis/gujjus with lines like "Maro dhinkru"

That is mara dikra or aaye dikra.

There is *some* truth in that stereotype. The older generation of Parsis speak in that fashion.

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3 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

All blokes outside of the five states are north Indians. South is only TN, Kerala, AP, Telengana and Karnataka I count Pondy as TN.  Only people from NCR, UP, Bihar, Haryana and Punjab are Bloody North Indians, rest are just North Indians.

What about Goa?

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2 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

What do Malayalis and /or Tamilians (?) mean when they say Paavam?

 

Something like Pavitra?

Bechara...as in when you pity someone, based on my limited understanding of Tamil language. Some pure-bloods here may have more accurate answer. 

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10 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Bechara...as in when you pity someone, based on my limited understanding of Tamil language. Some pure-bloods here may have more accurate answer. 

From what I understand ..bhola...innocent simple person.

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6 hours ago, Gollum said:

What about Goa?

Yes, just plain  North Indian. I guess the thumb-rule is anybody from a region that knows or understands Hindi. I have close friend from Dehradun (pahadi), born and brought up in Bangalore, talks and reads  Kannada fluently. He is considered North Indian as well. In contexts though.

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7 minutes ago, beetle said:

 

Some stretches in Uttarakhand.

The Road journey from Srinagar to leh.

 

Some  roads winding along the villages in Goa are beautiful.

I plan to travel china border once situation is clear. Babusar Top and KKH are beautiful. 

 

Islamabad-Murree expressway is superb. So is Pir Sohawa road in Islamabad. 

 

How is the condition of srinagar to leh road?

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19 minutes ago, Autonomous said:

What is the most beautiful road you've had the opportunity to drive on?

Louisiana and east coast US have very scenic roads.

 

In India, it has to be Ahmedabad - Mumbai route.

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22 minutes ago, beetle said:

Some stretches in Uttarakhand.

The Road journey from Srinagar to leh.

Some  roads winding along the villages in Goa are beautiful.

I particularly like the Srinagar to Leh stretch. Especially the part between Lamayuru and Leh.

The roads in and around Alapuzha are nice too.

As is the old Mumbai Goa highway. Very scenic.

Parts of the Udaipur to Kumbalgarh stretch.

Parts of the Jamnagar to Porbandar stretch.

Found the roads in Uttarakhand a little too commercialised now. Traffic jams and all that. Kills the joy.

 

 

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1 minute ago, MechEng said:

Louisiana and east coast US have very scenic roads.

 

In India, it has to be Ahmedabad - Mumbai route.

Are you serious?

That is a horrible road. The road from Mumbai to Daman is just blah. Slightly better once you leave Maharashtra.

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4 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

Are you serious?

That is a horrible road. The road from Mumbai to Daman is just blah. Slightly better once you leave Maharashtra.

I drove there somewhere in 2016, Surat - Mumbai route may appear tacky but Surat to Ahmedabad is excellent.

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5 minutes ago, MechEng said:

I drove there somewhere in 2016, Surat - Mumbai route may appear tacky but Surat to Ahmedabad is excellent.

Yup the road is well made. Full marks to the Gujarat government. But scenic?

Subjective as that is, Surat to Amdavad is mainly industrial areas and the odd farms.

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53 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

I particularly like the Srinagar to Leh stretch. Especially the part between Lamayuru and Leh.

The roads in and around Alapuzha are nice too.

As is the old Mumbai Goa highway. Very scenic.

Parts of the Udaipur to Kumbalgarh stretch.

Parts of the Jamnagar to Porbandar stretch.

Found the roads in Uttarakhand a little too commercialised now. Traffic jams and all that. Kills the joy.

 

 

How about the condition of Srinagar to Leh? 

 

Total road length and number of lanes? 

 

Some key spots/pictures? 

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15 hours ago, Autonomous said:

Do you think Misbah "feasted" on UAE wickets and made use of the situation (Spot fixing saga in 2010 and no home cricket hence UAE) to his benefit?

 

Consider that he retires 40+ which also sets a bad precedent in a way that many players would try to "linger on"? Also consider that during the time (2013-2015), Haris Sohail was piling tons of runs. 

 

See, you can't fault a player for believing in himself.  A player has to believe that he can deliver results, otherwise he will never be able to play.  Misbah's "feasting" or lingering is the fault of PCB and its selectors.  Not his personal fault.

 

However, I do think that there were plenty of times where he hid behind rookies instead of taking on challenges, especially in ODI cricket.  No excuse for refusing to bat higher than #6, in a timeframe where Pakistan was utterly poor with the bat, and unable to chase more than 250.  Misbah would repeatedly allow the rest of his batting unit to fail, and then come in at #6, to pile up a meaningless 40+ score.  

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