Guest HariSampath Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 @ MM.....Stop defending the indefensible. Rahul Dravid was entrusted with $5 millions by Mallya to get a good T20 team. In a format that is completely batter centric, Dravid chose to bid for Chanderpaul, Kallis, Jaffer, Kumble etc. Mallaya wanted some players but Dravid overruled him, Mallaya wanted Misbah in the 11 but Dravid did not. Dravid was a failure, Dravid did not even get the 11 correct. Dravid did not even get the batting order right. BRC is complaining that they did not have "practice facilities", which is absurd. Chinnaswami stadium has the same practice facilities as other grounds and it is a test center. BRC has been saying team did not gel well together, which is a direct indictment of Dravid...afterall he chose the team and it is his responsibility as a former Indian captain to do this job. So Dravid has been a complete failure on all fronts and is fast becoming the laughing stock of everyone and the butt of ridicule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vroomfondel Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Mallya should fire himself for not getting involved in team selection. thank you. he's making excuses, charu this and rahul that. buck stops with you, fat man. also, he's totally unprofessional. public humiliation is totally unproductive, and totally not inspirational. give 'em 'ell in the dressing room, but come out to press conferences holding hands and thumping backs. if i had $50 mil, and wanted to buy an IPL team and had to hire management, I wouldn't hire Mallya (nor would I hire Charu or Dravid, but that's not the point :) ) On the bright side, this story is one of the more interesting things to happen to the IPL snoozefest. Maybe they can turn it into a reality show. "The real housewives of Vijay Mallya", starring dravid and charu...and brijesh patel as the forbidden fruit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suraj Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 I don't blame Mallaya for his anger- I will be pretty pissed too if I spent 100M+ for the product he ended up getting; he can only curse Dravid & Sharma and regret his own stupidity in not choosing wisely Selecting Jaffer for T20 when Dravid was already in the team was a joke!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 The buck stops with Mallaya - if he is not happy with his own selection he has only himself to blame and if he thinks firing Charu Sharma and Dravid will change things, he is well within the right to do so with a severance package of $3 million for Dravid. No one forced him to buy the Bangalore franchise and if its sucking he has to share the biggest blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HariSampath Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 @vroom but for 50 mill vroom, you would be hard pressed to buy even the Assam U-19 team ....and you would be lucky if you get someone like Dravid and his men....you know how it is with money these days :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianRenegade Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Poor guy Rahul, last 14 months, starting from his resigning from the test captaincy after the Eng 2007, have been absolutely terrible for him. yeah... no doubt. And fcking what does Mallya and his honchos know bout cricket? Or are there lots of individuals who know more bout cricket than Rahul Dravid, the former India captain and one of world's best ever batsman? Exactly, that what Mallaya to said. "My biggest mistake was to abstain from the selection of the team. Though I watch a lot cricket whenever possible, I am no cricket expert at the end of the day," Mallya told the Economic Times. "I had a separate list of players that I wanted. But since Dravid is such an iconic player I trusted his judgment... He did exactly what you wanted, let Dravid do what he wanted, but he has been a failure. Knowing more about cricket doesn't mean all the things you do will be correct. As I said Dravids T20 cricketing mind is not as great as his test or ODI skills. T20 needs a different sort of approach. T20 is a lottery, if its your day, it is your day, or too bad it isnt. No one team has kept winning for ever and we have seen how even the supposedly strong teams have suffered. And worse, DC, with the seemingly the best squad is bottom of pile. With a bit of luck, BRC could EASILY landed up with a couple of more victories. Partly true. if T20 is a lottery why hasn't BRC or DC win as much as others? saying "if its your day..." are all politically correct statements, to say it was not our day is a politically correct way of saying we played badly. Once you start finding excuse in name of luck you are never going to win. Do you think it is utter nonsese to say RR has been wining because of luck and not their skill? BRC's squad wasnt ideal, but its not the worst either. Rahul's only problem was that key players like Kallis and White have failed to turn in any sort of performance. What can he do for it? If being a strong team has no bearing why do you bring in the point that BRC's squad wasn't ideal? And coming to the second point, Kallis is never made for this sort of a game. If I am right, white had just played 2 games and he performed in 1. Even in that game Dravid put himself ahead of white and wasted balls... scoring 5/6 of 11 balls, making the target even big for the likes white & boucher. What is the justification of keeping Misbhah out just on the basis of 2 performances when dravid himself had 2 golden ducks? Anyone would rate Misbhah as a better player than dravid in T20, so shouldn't Dravid be the one who should be dropped based on a couple of performances? And atleast for this, I admire SRK. Even though the KKR havent been doing THAT well, he has kept silence and not come out and given such damning assessments of his players and captain. It wasn't the so much of the captain's undoing out there, rather their team was weakened by the outgoing players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vroomfondel Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 @vroom but for 50 mill vroom, you would be hard pressed to buy even the Assam U-19 team ....and you would be lucky if you get someone like Dravid and his men....you know how it is with money these days :-) :haha: I was waiting for that Hari. Mallya should start a thread here so that Rajeev can anonymously help him recoup his losses. (and lurker can probably help him with his hugeness) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumper Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 :haha: I was waiting for that Hari. Mallya should start a thread here so that Rajeev can anonymously help him recoup his losses. (and lurker can probably help him with his hugeness) Abey, life has changed, from being a pauper to a millionaire, aint it ? First you settled for a bench in a public park, then you wondered who went to Harvard here ? Now you talkin buyin a IPL team, eh ? What next, starting a rival league for IPL ? What a megalomaniac! :hysterical: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Another thing is that Bangalore and Rajasthan were the most criticized team selections before the league. Deccan was supposed to be one of the stronger teams. But the tournament has panned out very differently. Bangalore has dudded, so have Deccan but Rajasthan have been a roaring success. Just goes to show there is no formula for success. Sure, cricketing logic put Rajasthan and Bangalore as the pre tournament duds, but the biggest dud has turned out to be Deccan and Rajasthan have been the best team. If somehow the same Bangalore team was winning, Dravid's selection would have been hailed as a master stroke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianRenegade Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Another thing is that Bangalore and Rajasthan were the most criticized team selections before the league. Deccan was supposed to be one of the stronger teams. But the tournament has panned out very differently. Bangalore has dudded' date=' so have Deccan but Rajasthan have been a roaring success. Just goes to show there is no formula for success. Sure, cricketing logic put Rajasthan and Bangalore as the pre tournament duds, but the biggest dud has turned out to be Deccan and Rajasthan have been the best team. If somehow the same Bangalore team was winning, Dravid's selection would have been hailed as a master stroke.[/quote'] It would have rather been called a surprise, rather than being hailed as a master stroke.... And Deccan is still under performing, no one is criticizing DC for its selection. rather every one is surprised at it inability to perform. In the same vein had RC performed it would have been a surprise rather than being called a master stroke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 It would have rather been called a surprise, rather than being hailed as a master stroke.... And Deccan is still under performing, no one is criticizing DC for its selection. rather every one is surprised at it inability to perform. In the same vein had RC performed it would have been a surprise rather than being called a master stroke. Rajasthan's selection is being hailed as a master stroke, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumper Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Another thing is that Bangalore and Rajasthan were the most criticized team selections before the league. Deccan was supposed to be one of the stronger teams. But the tournament has panned out very differently. Bangalore has dudded' date=' so have Deccan but Rajasthan have been a roaring success. Just goes to show there is no formula for success. Sure, cricketing logic put Rajasthan and Bangalore as the pre tournament duds, but the biggest dud has turned out to be Deccan and Rajasthan have been the best team. If somehow the same Bangalore team was winning, Dravid's selection would have been hailed as a master stroke.[/quote'] I'd have to disagree here. People who thought Deccan was a great team, prolly did not know about the 4 international player only rule (that included yours truly). While I grant you that Rajasthan's success is a bit surprising, I had predicted Mumbai's , Bengal's & Kolkatta's poor performances right at the beginning of the IPL (this when Kolkatta was winning & everyone had them shoed in for a semis spot). Rajasthan did a great job in the second round auctions, snapping up Watson for $125K. And having the best captain in the league helped too. But more importantly, they had performing regional players. Among Yusuf Pathan, Trivdei, Munaf, Asnodkar they've got some consistent performers, who make the side one of the best balanced in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 But more importantly, they had performing regional players. Among Yusuf Pathan, Trivdei, Munaf, Asnodkar they've got some consistent performers, who makes the side one of the best balanced in the league. That's where Bangalore and Deccan have been hurt badly. Fine, Bangalore's team selection is not the ideal T20 team by a long shot but it's the complete non performance of the locals and U19s for them which has played a huge part in their failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianRenegade Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Rajasthan's selection is being hailed as a master stroke' date=' isn't it?[/quote'] As far as I know its shane watson's selection & Shane warne's captaincy that is being hailed. Not the entire team selection. More over RR team rather than being a bad team was seen as an unknown quantity, the likes of Y Pathan who has been instrumental for their success was rather an unknown quantity, and not a known would be failure in T20 format like jaffer, Kallis, or dravid.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumble_rocks Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Hari needs to get life. While he is perfectly justified to criticize Dravid and make his point , but repeated Dravid bashing makes him sound like a broken old record ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 @ MM.....Stop defending the indefensible. Rahul Dravid was entrusted with $5 millions by Mallya to get a good T20 team. In a format that is completely batter centric, Dravid chose to bid for Chanderpaul, Kallis, Jaffer, Kumble etc. Mallaya wanted some players but Dravid overruled him, Mallaya wanted Misbah in the 11 but Dravid did not. Dravid was a failure, Dravid did not even get the 11 correct. Dravid did not even get the batting order right. BRC is complaining that they did not have "practice facilities", which is absurd. Chinnaswami stadium has the same practice facilities as other grounds and it is a test center. BRC has been saying team did not gel well together, which is a direct indictment of Dravid...afterall he chose the team and it is his responsibility as a former Indian captain to do this job. So Dravid has been a complete failure on all fronts and is fast becoming the laughing stock of everyone and the butt of ridicule. Its very easy to comment on hindsight. When things seem to go wrong, then they really go 'wronger'. I am sure EVERY team has faced problems with practice facilities and playing eleven selections. Only, BRC's problems get highlighted coz they are the scapegoat now. He did exactly what you wanted, let Dravid do what he wanted, but he has been a failure. Knowing more about cricket doesn't mean all the things you do will be correct. As I said Dravids T20 cricketing mind is not as great as his test or ODI skills. T20 needs a different sort of approach. As I said, BRC's travails is more a direct function of under performing players than faulty team selection. If anything BRC has been one of the least affected squads due to exodus of Aussie, Windies and Kiwi players. Teams like KKR and CSK have been a shadow of their former selves since their star players left. BRC faced few such problems. In fact, their squad has gotten progressively stronger as the tournament has progressed. I keep repeating to the point of boring everyone to death, Dravid cant be held responsible if his star players dont perform. What he can do if till now, the combined group of Kallis+Shiv+White+Kohli do very little? Partly true. if T20 is a lottery why hasn't BRC or DC win as much as others? saying "if its your day..." are all politically correct statements, to say it was not our day is a politically correct way of saying we played badly. Once you start finding excuse in name of luck you are never going to win. Do you think it is utter nonsese to say RR has been wining because of luck and not their skill? No, what I meant was, in in T20, esp in a franchise based IPL where talent is so equally distributed, there's very little separating the teams. And we have seen that plenty of times how the so called fancied teams have lost to less-fancied opponents. BRC could easily tallied 2-3 more wins had luck gone their in crucial moments, or had their players delivered in crucial moments. f being a strong team has no bearing why do you bring in the point that BRC's squad wasn't ideal? And coming to the second point' date=' Kallis is never made for this sort of a game. If I am right, white had just played 2 games and he performed in 1. Even in that game Dravid put himself ahead of white and wasted balls... scoring 5/6 of 11 balls, making the target even big for the likes white & boucher. [/quote'] No, I meant to tell that you cant label BRC as 'test-squad' either, coz, apart from a couple, its squad is filled with hard-hitters and improvisers. What is the justification of keeping Misbhah out just on the basis of 2 performances when dravid himself had 2 golden ducks? Anyone would rate Misbhah as a better player than dravid in T20' date=' so shouldn't Dravid be the one who should be dropped based on a couple of performances?[/quote'] We really cant comment on team selection coz we simply dont know whats the strategy inside the dressing room. Another thing is that Bangalore and Rajasthan were the most criticized team selections before the league. Deccan was supposed to be one of the stronger teams. But the tournament has panned out very differently. Bangalore has dudded' date=' so have Deccan but Rajasthan have been a roaring success. Just goes to show there is no formula for success. Sure, cricketing logic put Rajasthan and Bangalore as the pre tournament duds, but the biggest dud has turned out to be Deccan and Rajasthan have been the best team. If somehow the same Bangalore team was winning, Dravid's selection would have been hailed as a master stroke.[/quote'] Precisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prudent Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 No one forced Mallya to take up the franchisee...if you can't face the heat, get out of the Kitchen you Moronic Mallya @#$@$@#$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predator_05 Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Why was Misbah ul-Haq kept on the sidelines for so long when anyone who knows anything about the game could tell you that he is an excellent T20 specialist with a proven track record in this form of the game ? Dravid should have sh it chucked at him by the critics just for this. In other sports, the men who make the calls - ie; managers/coaches are the ones who get sacked. Not the presidents, the chairmen or the technical directors. You can't expect them to know anything about the sport, they just finance the team and expect results. Why should it be any different here ? In cricket, the captain makes the big calls and if the team doesn't produce results, the captain should go. Mallya didn't interfere with the selection and gave Dravid a free-hand, he doesn't need to take the blame for anything. Nothing wrong with Dravid being sacked (if it happens) - he has failed to live up his status as a million dollar "ICON" player and he isn't getting results. You don't need to look beyond that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Why was Misbah ul-Haq kept on the sidelines for so long when anyone who knows anything about the game could tell you that he is an excellent T20 specialist with a proven track record in this form of the game ? Dravid should have sh it chucked at him by the critics just for this. In other sports, the men who make the calls - ie; managers/coaches are the ones who get sacked. Not the presidents, the chairmen or the technical directors. You can't expect them to know anything about the sport, they just finance the team and expect results. Why should it be any different here ? In cricket, the captain makes the big calls and if the team doesn't produce results, the captain should go. Mallya didn't interfere with the selection and gave Dravid a free-hand, he doesn't need to take the blame for anything. Nothing wrong with Dravid being sacked (if it happens) - he has failed to live up his status as a million dollar "ICON" player and he isn't getting results. You don't need to look beyond that. Dravid's job is to lead the picked players. If he does mistakes with playing 11 or with on-field decisions, he can be blamed. You can't just dump team picking responsibility all on a player and expect it to work well. Looks like Mallya and Charu Sharma dumped the job of team selection on Dravid and they should be blamed for that. Team owners in all pro-sports get majorly involved in player selection. If you don't know a shyte about the game, you hire someone to do that. In this case Mallya claims he had his own list of players. Why the fack didn't he overrule Dravid and Charu Sharma and go with his super-list? You think the Lakers will dump the draft duties on Kobe and blame him if all fails? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumper Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 I'd agree that Dravid deserves a lot of flak for picking a team that is obviously incompetent at T20. Given that Mallya trusted him & gave him the freedom to choose his team, Dravid's blunders are inexcusable. However the franchise owner cannot be absolved of all the crimes. The buck stops with him. Dravid was merely nominating the players. WTH was Mallya doing, picking a Test XI, when his own wisdom told him the opposite ? We should not judge the Bangalore team just by its results. You can pick a good team & follow good processes, still the results could be bad. However, RYC must be slated for not giving themselves a chance to begin with, by picking one of the worst possible T20 XIs on paper. Mumbai, Kolkatta or Deccan may have equally bad results to show, but atleast they all gave themselves a chance by picking a team that does not look ridiculuous on paper. Given the three year IPL contracts, Mallya is stuck with this retarded XI for now. Cant rollback so many blunders in the middle of the season. Bangalore has no way out of this mess, in the foreseeable future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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