Another embarrasing Olympics for India!

[King Tendulkar]

Well done to us for winning 3 medals! But 3 medals for 1 billion people. Pathetic! Mongolia finished ahead of us in the medals table for gods sake! I find it embarrasing! And frankly we won our first individual gold ever! Shocking and that in an event I would barley call a sport! I would LOVE to post differently but our sporting cr#ppness is very sad!

[SachDan]

Lets be positive with this...atleast we are off the blocks. For me it doesn't matter in which event they wins the medals as long as its an olympic medal.

[Predator_05]

Well done to us for winning 3 medals! But 3 medals for 1 billion people. Pathetic! Mongolia finished ahead of us in the medals table for gods sake! I find it embarrasing! And frankly we won our first individual gold ever! Shocking and that in an event I would barley call a sport! I would LOVE to post differently but our sporting cr#ppness is very sad!

What do you mean "us" ?? Team GB had it's best Olympics ever. You should be proud.

[Dravid]

yea, its sucks... but we dont give as much crap about other sports another then cricket...thats the prob.. even afgan won a medal

[Cricketics]

well the mittal steel guy is doing something good for India now. they are providing their help to all sportsmans in India who come from poor families. few wrestlers and even badminton player saina nehwal were sponsored by Mittalz and those players didn't have spend anything on their sporting gears. Boxing medalist Vijender kumar was also sponsored by Mittal the goal of mittalz is to ready India for 2012 london olympics. hatz of to them for taking this initiative

[CC1981]

Indians sadly lack the physique and athletic ability by and large compared to the rest of humanity. Sadly, it is a product of our own culture and its fixation at being a veggie-eater. Ofcourse, meat isnt ESSENTIAL to full physical development, but FACT remains, if you take meat out of the diet, then you MUST add atleast 7-8 other veggies & beans to make up for the loss of all the vital amino acids - something that is near-impossible for MOST middle class/lower-middle class/poor people to do. Hell, its a pain in the ***** for even rich guys to eat 8-9 different kinds of veggies every day. Millenias of such veggie-fixation has reduced us to a state where the average whiteman,blackman or even most east Asians and Arabs are far stronger, robust and physically sound than us 'bhindians'. Furthermore, our philosophy being negligent of physical attractiveness ( most Indians are cowards and socially inept - they cant talk to the opposite sex in matters of relationships, hookups etc. very well and most desis are so lame that they need mummy and daddy to find them a dulhaa or dulhain and tell them that to do on suhaag-raat) means our population spends very little time or effort to physically better ourselves and look good. All this translates to one thing : physically we are the lamest of the cultures/ethnicities and be it olympics, cricket or soccer, it is reflected through and through - India can neither feild a world-beater team in any version of sports, neither can we throw up a good number of great individual athletes.

[King Tendulkar]

What do you mean "us" ?? Team GB had it's best Olympics ever. You should be proud.

:isalute::isalute::isalute:

[yoda]

Indians sadly lack the physique and athletic ability by and large compared to the rest of humanity. Sadly, it is a product of our own culture and its fixation at being a veggie-eater. Ofcourse, meat isnt ESSENTIAL to full physical development, but FACT remains, if you take meat out of the diet, then you MUST add atleast 7-8 other veggies & beans to make up for the loss of all the vital amino acids - something that is near-impossible for MOST middle class/lower-middle class/poor people to do. Hell, its a pain in the ***** for even rich guys to eat 8-9 different kinds of veggies every day. Millenias of such veggie-fixation has reduced us to a state where the average whiteman,blackman or even most east Asians and Arabs are far stronger, robust and physically sound than us 'bhindians'. Furthermore, our philosophy being negligent of physical attractiveness ( most Indians are cowards and socially inept - they cant talk to the opposite sex in matters of relationships, hookups etc. very well and most desis are so lame that they need mummy and daddy to find them a dulhaa or dulhain and tell them that to do on suhaag-raat) means our population spends very little time or effort to physically better ourselves and look good. All this translates to one thing : physically we are the lamest of the cultures/ethnicities and be it olympics, cricket or soccer, it is reflected through and through - India can neither feild a world-beater team in any version of sports, neither can we throw up a good number of great individual athletes.

a good portion of our population does eat meat, but can't jump or run or swim.

[punjabi_khota]

Indians sadly lack the physique and athletic ability by and large compared to the rest of humanity. Sadly, it is a product of our own culture and its fixation at being a veggie-eater. Ofcourse, meat isnt ESSENTIAL to full physical development, but FACT remains, if you take meat out of the diet, then you MUST add atleast 7-8 other veggies & beans to make up for the loss of all the vital amino acids - something that is near-impossible for MOST middle class/lower-middle class/poor people to do. Hell, its a pain in the ***** for even rich guys to eat 8-9 different kinds of veggies every day. Millenias of such veggie-fixation has reduced us to a state where the average whiteman,blackman or even most east Asians and Arabs are far stronger, robust and physically sound than us 'bhindians'. Furthermore, our philosophy being negligent of physical attractiveness ( most Indians are cowards and socially inept - they cant talk to the opposite sex in matters of relationships, hookups etc. very well and most desis are so lame that they need mummy and daddy to find them a dulhaa or dulhain and tell them that to do on suhaag-raat) means our population spends very little time or effort to physically better ourselves and look good. All this translates to one thing : physically we are the lamest of the cultures/ethnicities and be it olympics, cricket or soccer, it is reflected through and through - India can neither feild a world-beater team in any version of sports, neither can we throw up a good number of great individual athletes.

When was the last time you visited a decent Indian CITY ? Our failure in sports has a LOT to do with how society perceives sports, a LOT to do with the neglect from government and private sector. The bottom line is that it is extremely risky venture for a person to start a sports career. Even national champions, with honors at least in the Asia region, earn barely enough to live a middle class life. That effects parental attitude and whatever talent we have is wasted, and children are told to focus on studies. As we become a more affluent society, it will change and once the worries about roti-kapda-makaan are taken care of, we should see more success in the international arena. Not saying genes have nothing to do with it, but there is much more to our failure than just bhindian genes.

[Desi Cartman]

When was the last time you visited a decent Indian CITY ? Our failure in sports has a LOT to do with how society perceives sports, a LOT to do with the neglect from government and private sector. The bottom line is that it is extremely risky venture for a person to start a sports career. Even national champions, with honors at least in the Asia region, earn barely enough to live a middle class life. That effects parental attitude and whatever talent we have is wasted, and children are told to focus on studies. As we become a more affluent society, it will change and once the worries about roti-kapda-makaan are taken care of, we should see more success in the international arena. Not saying genes have nothing to do with it, but there is much more to our failure than just bhindian genes.

:dito: In Aus if a child wants to take sports seriously then he can afford to do it because even if he fails he can always work at any fish and chips shop and make enough money to live a normal life but in India you can not have a decent life working at a chai ki dukaan.

[CC1981]

When was the last time you visited a decent Indian CITY ? Our failure in sports has a LOT to do with how society perceives sports, a LOT to do with the neglect from government and private sector. The bottom line is that it is extremely risky venture for a person to start a sports career. Even national champions, with honors at least in the Asia region, earn barely enough to live a middle class life. That effects parental attitude and whatever talent we have is wasted, and children are told to focus on studies. As we become a more affluent society, it will change and once the worries about roti-kapda-makaan are taken care of, we should see more success in the international arena. Not saying genes have nothing to do with it, but there is much more to our failure than just bhindian genes.

The whole notion that our lack of sporting accomplishment is due to 'social' reasons is a prozac for the masses that simply doesn't add up. Too many Indians go around consoling themselves that our lack of sporting excellence is due to 'our society being poor, parental attitudes being anti-sports, once we become affluent, we'll be good at sports too' etc etc. If that has any merit, then what about Jamaica, Ethiopia,Cuba, Kenya, Morocco, etc. ? These nations are poorer than us, have very little sporting culture to boast of, have equal (if not more) levels of poverty and their people are far more worried in general about 'roti-kapda-makaan' than us. Yet they manage to throw up spendid athletes regularly - athletes who go on to be world champions and olympic champions. Somewhere, the whole 'blame it on societerial reasons' doesnt add up - we MUST face the fact that we are simply not physically good enough to compete with the rest of the world. And bulk of that is genetic reasons - look around you : why is it that the average Punjabi is far healthier than the average Bengali ? Why is it that the average Pathan is far healthier than the average Mallu ? or the average German compared to the average Arab ? Genetics is the reason and yes, genetics do get influenced by lifestyle over the generations. The Bongs have had a pretty sedentary lifestyle for aeons while the Pathans are far more active and go through far more physical hardships through their lifetimes - plus their diet is more protien-heavy than us. over dozens and dozens of generations, such diet and lifestyle translates to superior genes physically. Same is true for the Afros. And if you want to see what happens when there is 'real government impetus and familial support' towards athletes, look at China. Their physiques are similar to ours in general and their diet and lifestyle is very similar to ours for thousands of years. But for all the billions of dollars and 'Godly status' of the Chinese athletes, they are still a BIG FAT ZERO in all athletic disciplines that relies largely on physical strength, stamina and fitness : they hardly count in athletics or swimming and all the government focus has done, is maximise their participation in sports like shooting, diving, etc. - sports which takes 'physical makeup' largely out of the equation and the ONLY event where China has excelled and which requires physical greatness is gymnastics - and even then they've done it by forging the ages of their athletes and having children participate (because a child has a huge advantage over the adults in stuff like flexibility and balance). Cultures that do well in sports are cultures that prides itself in its physical prowess and work through the ages to physical excellence. It is no coincidence that sports which require physical prowess are singularly dominated by Africans and Europeans and their culture is far more appreciative of physical attraction and physical prowess than ours or the Chinese.

[kumble_rocks]

The whole notion that our lack of sporting accomplishment is due to 'social' reasons is a prozac for the masses that simply doesn't add up. Too many Indians go around consoling themselves that our lack of sporting excellence is due to 'our society being poor, parental attitudes being anti-sports, once we become affluent, we'll be good at sports too' etc etc. If that has any merit, then what about Jamaica, Ethiopia,Cuba, Kenya, Morocco, etc. ? These nations are poorer than us, have very little sporting culture to boast of, have equal (if not more) levels of poverty and their people are far more worried in general about 'roti-kapda-makaan' than us. Yet they manage to throw up spendid athletes regularly - athletes who go on to be world champions and olympic champions. Somewhere, the whole 'blame it on societerial reasons' doesnt add up - we MUST face the fact that we are simply not physically good enough to compete with the rest of the world. And bulk of that is genetic reasons - look around you : why is it that the average Punjabi is far healthier than the average Bengali ? Why is it that the average Pathan is far healthier than the average Mallu ? or the average German compared to the average Arab ? Genetics is the reason and yes, genetics do get influenced by lifestyle over the generations. The Bongs have had a pretty sedentary lifestyle for aeons while the Pathans are far more active and go through far more physical hardships through their lifetimes - plus their diet is more protien-heavy than us. over dozens and dozens of generations, such diet and lifestyle translates to superior genes physically. Same is true for the Afros. And if you want to see what happens when there is 'real government impetus and familial support' towards athletes, look at China. Their physiques are similar to ours in general and their diet and lifestyle is very similar to ours for thousands of years. But for all the billions of dollars and 'Godly status' of the Chinese athletes, they are still a BIG FAT ZERO in all athletic disciplines that relies largely on physical strength, stamina and fitness : they hardly count in athletics or swimming and all the government focus has done, is maximise their participation in sports like shooting, diving, etc. - sports which takes 'physical makeup' largely out of the equation and the ONLY event where China has excelled and which requires physical greatness is gymnastics - and even then they've done it by forging the ages of their athletes and having children participate (because a child has a huge advantage over the adults in stuff like flexibility and balance). Cultures that do well in sports are cultures that prides itself in its physical prowess and work through the ages to physical excellence. It is no coincidence that sports which require physical prowess are singularly dominated by Africans and Europeans and their culture is far more appreciative of physical attraction and physical prowess than ours or the Chinese.

Overall Medal Count of the Chinese 51 gold 21 silver 28 bronze with total tally of 100 medals and let's talk about physical greatness - 1. Bronze - Track & Field Women's Hammer Throw Wenxiu Zhang 2. Gold - Sailing Women's RS:X - Windsurfer 3. Gold - Cycling Women's Sprint Shuang Guo 4. Gold - Wrestling Women's Freestyle 63-72 kg Jiao Wang 5. Silver Wrestling Women's Freestyle 48-55 kg Li Xu 6. Silver Rowing Women's Pair Without Coxswain You Wu, Yulan Gao 7. Gold Weightlifting Men's 77-85 kg Yong Lu 8. Gold Judo Women's Heavyweight (Over 78 kg) Wen Tong 9. Gold Weightlifting Women's 69-75 kg Lei Cao 10. Gold Judo Women's Half Heavyweight (70-78 kg) Xiuli Yang 11. Gold Swimming Women's 200-Meter Butterfly Zige Liu 12 . Silver Swimming Women's 200-Meter Butterfly Liuyang Jiao 13. Gold Weightlifting Men's 69-77 kg Hongli Li 14. Silver Wrestling Men's Greco-Roman 66-74 kg Yongxiang Chang 15. Gold Weightlifting Women's 63-69 kg Chunhong Liu 16. Gold Weightlifting Men's 62-69 kg Hui Liao 17. Gold Weightlifting Men's 56-62 kg Xiangxiang Zhang and so on ....all right , I am getting bored with this compilation. But you couldn't be far from truth . If you have watched this Olympics , Chinese have thoroughly dominated in events which requires physical strength. They have won gold in both men and women category in different sports which require physical strength like weightlifting , rowing , swimming , judo , hammer throw etc. And let's count the medal tally of the "so called strong Arabs" from the Arab world - Algeria - 2 medals Morocco - 2 medals Tunisia - 1 gold medal Sudan - 1 medal Egypt 1 medal The entire ARAB world won a GRAND TOTAL of 1 gold medal with total tally of 7 medals.

[CC1981]

I consider the true test of physical prowess to be something that tests the full package - strength, agility, speed, etc. As such, track and field, swimming, gymnastics ( when people ARE of real age) and team sports to be the crux of my argument here. It isnt that hard to train for specific skillset sports like weightlifting or wrestling, archery, shooting etc. Those are the fields where a very limited range of muscles are being worked and as such, if you throw enough money and enough people in the system, you will get the desired results. Tell me of the Chinese 'success story of throwing money into sports and reaping results' when China wins something of note in Track and field or swimming or team sports. And if 'throwing money into sports and government/parental support' is all that takes to dominate all sports, how do you explain the fact that poorer nations with smaller populations and far lesser aminities than us (Ethiopia, Kenya, Morocco etc) are consistently better than many 'richer well supported' nations in producing champions ? Genetics gotto play a big part in this .

[kumble_rocks]

I consider the true test of physical prowess to be something that tests the full package - strength, agility, speed, etc. As such, track and field, swimming, gymnastics ( when people ARE of real age) and team sports to be the crux of my argument here. It isnt that hard to train for specific skillset sports like weightlifting or wrestling, archery, shooting etc. Those are the fields where a very limited range of muscles are being worked and as such, if you throw enough money and enough people in the system, you will get the desired results. Tell me of the Chinese 'success story of throwing money into sports and reaping results' when China wins something of note in Track and field or swimming or team sports. And if 'throwing money into sports and government/parental support' is all that takes to dominate all sports, how do you explain the fact that poorer nations with smaller populations and far lesser aminities than us (Ethiopia, Kenya, Morocco etc) are consistently better than many 'richer well supported' nations in producing champions ? Genetics gotto play a big part in this .

I have already shown that Chinese have won in power events and this includes gold in swimming as well. In fact they have dominated lot of power events. I won't argue with you on India's performance , but how come the entire Arab world could just produce just one gold medal ? I think it's a myth that a Pathan or Arab is stronger than a Chinese . If that was the case , 350 million plus Arabs plus Pathans/Punjabis would not have come up with a grand total of one gold medal ! Heck , Chinese have dominated weight lifting ! The results are their for anybody to see. Not a single Arab or a Punjabi won a gold in weightlifting ! And as regards to track and field , the black race dominate these events . The west africans are generally considered fit for shorter distance whereas the other parts of Africa are good for long distance. BTW , Chinese have also won in Hammer Throw . Can you name one Arab who has won gold in Track and field ?

[King Tendulkar]

I have already shown that Chinese have won in power events and this includes gold in swimming as well. In fact they have dominated lot of power events. I won't argue with you on India's performance ' date=' but how come the [b']entire Arab world could just produce just one gold medal ? I think it's a myth that a Pathan or Arab is stronger than a Chinese . If that was the case , 350 million plus Arabs plus Pathans/Punjabis would not have come up with a grand total of one gold medal ! Heck , Chinese have dominated weight lifting ! The results are their for anybody to see. Not a single Arab or a Punjabi won a gold in weightlifting ! And as regards to track and field , the black race dominate these events . The west africans are generally considered fit for shorter distance whereas the other parts of Africa are good for long distance. BTW , Chinese have also won in Hammer Throw . Can you name one Arab who has won gold in Track and field ?

I think you may have CC on the run here! No idea why he thinks wafer thin teenage girls in gymnastics is a test. It is just glorified dancing! Your point about the arabs is intresting. In light of there performances maybe India did not do as bad as I thought! We did bad but were not the only one. As the meat eating-genetically superior arabs (CCs conclusions)also had a stinker! So if they eat meat and are genetically better why did they have a stinker?

[punjabi_khota]

Fact 1). Arab world has a very poor haul in Olympics. Fact 2). India has a very poor haul in Olympics. Fact 3). Arab world has poor support for sports etc. Fact 4). India has poor support for sports etc. Conclusions: Reason for India's poor performance is JUST poor genes ?????????? NO! I never said genes don't matter, but there is MUCH more to it. The day we will be as good as China is right now, which we can be given adequate support, I will be satisfied, for that will mean we have actually cashed our potential, as limited by our genes.

[Lurker]

This is a topic that I have discussed many a times so frankly it doesnt evoke any interest from me. One thing that did catch my attention though is the Arab world. Actually if the argument is Arab word is not good in sports, that not exactly a great argument. Beijing Olympics was not the best performance from Arabs but otherwise they are not as bad. Iran is a powerhouse in wrestling and boxing, even weightlifting. Turkey is even better. 1996 Atlanta Turkey 6 medals(4 golds) Iran 3 medals(1 gold) 2000 Sydney Turkey 4 medals(3 gold) Iran 4 mdeals(3 gold) 2004 Athens Turkey 10 medals(3 golds) Iran 6 medals(2 golds). I am actually surprised that some of you may not know what a good impression these two countries have in world curcuit. And do bear in mind that the combined population of Arab world would still be less than half that of India!

[kumble_rocks]

^ Iran and turkey do not classify as Arab World .

[Lurker]

^ Iran and turkey do not classify as Arab World .

True KR. I was kinda sure thats what you meant. However is the argument is eating habits would there be a lot of difference between Arab world and say Iran?

[Guest dada_rocks]

for cry babies.. All four semifinalist in world billiard's championship are indians.. enjoy