bharat297 Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 I am deeply sickened to read the anti-Muslim sentiment being demonstrated on this forum by some people. I am a Hindu, a proud one aswell. I have family in Mumbai. I absolutely condemn these attacks and I hope those responsible for killing innocent blood rot in hell. What happened yesterday was a tragedy no doubt. However the solution is not to declare war on Pakistan or declare war on Islam.The groups responsible for the terrorist attacks yesterday are not the Pakistani government. They do not represent the average Muslim. Its important for people to understand that. The problem is (even though many do not want to hear it) many ignorant people, in different parts of the world, who were not in any way affected by these terrorist attacks, will go and use this as an opportunity to vent out any anti-Islamic hatred that they have been harbouring. They turn around and swear and bully ordinary Muslims who had nothing to do with the attacks. A revenge attack on Pakistan, just for the sake of it, will not help the situation in any way. Those responsible for the attacks will not get hurt, and instead innocent civilians will be the casualties. What happens as a result? The families of those innocent civilians begin to harbour anti-Indian sentiment and in some cases may begin to side with the terrorists, and thus the vicious cycle continues. Please open your eyes and look at what the actual solution is. Its certainly not war or any form of revenge attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludhianvi Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 I think its important not to generalize/stereotype here. Certainly we dont want to behave like the so called 'idiot' Americans who think that all browns are/were associated with the 9/11 attacks. Some of you may have even felt the backlash in those days, so take a little control I suppose. $0.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punjabi_khota Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 I am deeply sickened to read the anti-Muslim sentiment being demonstrated on this forum by some people. I am a Hindu, a proud one aswell. I have family in Mumbai. I absolutely condemn these attacks and I hope those responsible for killing innocent blood rot in hell. What happened yesterday was a tragedy no doubt. However the solution is not to declare war on Pakistan or declare war on Islam.The groups responsible for the terrorist attacks yesterday are not the Pakistani government. They do not represent the average Muslim. Its important for people to understand that. The problem is (even though many do not want to hear it) many ignorant people, in different parts of the world, who were not in any way affected by these terrorist attacks, will go and use this as an opportunity to vent out any anti-Islamic hatred that they have been harbouring. They turn around and swear and bully ordinary Muslims who had nothing to do with the attacks. A revenge attack on Pakistan, just for the sake of it, will not help the situation in any way. Those responsible for the attacks will not get hurt, and instead innocent civilians will be the casualties. What happens as a result? The families of those innocent civilians begin to harbour anti-Indian sentiment and in some cases may begin to side with the terrorists, and thus the vicious cycle continues. Please open your eyes and look at what the actual solution is. Its certainly not war or any form of revenge attacks. cliche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desi Cartman Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 till pakis dont stop yapping about kashmir I m afraid no Indian can change their opinion about their country. as for Indians ... we all r Indians .. these morons must have killed so many muslims .. they didnt ask if there were any muslims b4 attacking the train station. It will be a big mistake if hindus blame Indian muslims for this ... Of course there are some muslim morons in India ... but so are idiots Hindus , sikhs etc .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varun Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 I am deeply sickened to read the anti-Muslim sentiment being demonstrated on this forum by some people. I am a Hindu, a proud one aswell. I have family in Mumbai. I absolutely condemn these attacks and I hope those responsible for killing innocent blood rot in hell. What happened yesterday was a tragedy no doubt. However the solution is not to declare war on Pakistan or declare war on Islam.The groups responsible for the terrorist attacks yesterday are not the Pakistani government. They do not represent the average Muslim. Its important for people to understand that. The problem is (even though many do not want to hear it) many ignorant people, in different parts of the world, who were not in any way affected by these terrorist attacks, will go and use this as an opportunity to vent out any anti-Islamic hatred that they have been harbouring. They turn around and swear and bully ordinary Muslims who had nothing to do with the attacks. A revenge attack on Pakistan, just for the sake of it, will not help the situation in any way. Those responsible for the attacks will not get hurt, and instead innocent civilians will be the casualties. What happens as a result? The families of those innocent civilians begin to harbour anti-Indian sentiment and in some cases may begin to side with the terrorists, and thus the vicious cycle continues. Please open your eyes and look at what the actual solution is. Its certainly not war or any form of revenge attacks. I don't think most people wouldn blame Muslims in general. It is just these specific individuals who are killing people. I agree that one shouldn't confuse muslims in general with Pakistan. Most of the rhetoric here is against Pakistan than against muslims. What doesn't help though is when the attackers are Muslim themselves and are pardoning muslims and killing others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varun Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 To those who say Pakistan is behind the attacks Please compile your evidence here with sources. I keep hearing this and that on isolated threads. Lets see if there is any meat to this argument at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajiv Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 I don't think most people wouldn blame Muslims in general. It is just these specific individuals who are killing people. I agree that one shouldn't confuse muslims in general with Pakistan. Most of the rhetoric here is against Pakistan than against muslims. What doesn't help though is when the attackers are Muslim themselves and are pardoning muslims and killing others. Nicely put, infact one of the guy called "ansari" lost his family at CST..dont think he gives a flying fark abt jihad. Mumbai Police Commissioner is Hasan Gafoor - Indian Muslims are different ( well most of them ) - but you have SIMI outfit and you simply can't shoot Muslims out of India Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desi Cartman Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Strategic gurus and security analysts in the US and from across the world are examining Pakistan's role in terrorism following yet another terror episode in India ending with fingers pointed at its widely-reviled neighbour. While initial reports from India suggested the Mumbai carnage was a localised attack by militant malcontents in India because of the "Deccan Mujaheddin" decoy that was used to claim responsibility, evidence cited by Indian army and security experts based on phone intercepts, nature of weaponry, mode of entry by sea etc., has quickly focused the attention on Pakistan. The statement by India's normally cautious and restrained prime minister, Manmohan Singh, that groups based across the border, a thinly-disguised reference to Pakistan, has also galvanized the strategic and security community into examining Islamabad's role in the region that has already been subjected to scrutiny in the past. "From a tactical perspective most terrorist attacks in India have been carried out through the use of improvised explosive devices planted on bicycles, motorcycles and cars, and triggered by timers or mobile telephones. In contrast, according to press reports, the attackers involved in the latest Mumbai violence were armed only with Kalashnikov assault rifles, principally, and hand grenades," Jane's Country Risk Daily Report noted in an assessment on Thursday that discounted an internal insurgent attack. The report also said the apparent focus on killing or capturing foreign businesspeople, specifically US and UK nationals, which has never occurred before, also suggested "a wider global anti-Western agenda." This stands in contrast to the national issues that appeared to motivate Indian Mujahideen, it said. Experts also said the heavy weaponry, grenades, and the sustained attack pointed to intense training and planning beyond the scope of indigenous groups. Other intelligence experts and websites also zeroed in on Pakistan's role in the region. "There have been reports from credible sources for years that Pakistani intelligence has used terrorist groups to conduct war-by-proxy against traditional rival India. With the latest horrific attacks throughout Mumbai, evidence continues to accumulate that may add new substance to such reports," the website Washington Examiner noted. US officials and lawmakers refrained from naming Pakistan, but their condemnation of "Islamist terrorism" left little doubt where their anxieties lay. "It is often said that India and America have a natural bond as the two largest democracies. Today, we share a bond of a common enemy: what the 9/11 Commission identified as Islamist terrorism. Islamist ideology is spreading across South Asia, and must be stamped out," California Congressman Ed Royce said. What has added potency to the latest charges against Islamabad is the Bush administration's own assessment - leaked to the US media - that Pakistan's intelligence agency ISI was linked to the bombing of the Indian Embassy in Kabul some weeks back that killed nearly 60 people including a much-admired Indian diplomat and a respected senior defense official. This time, the US scrutiny is more intense because American, Israeli, and other western nationals appear to have been singled out during the carnage. Hundreds of Indians have died in dozens of terrorist attacks in India in the past two decades without Washington losing too much sleep over it. In fact, Indian officials have often complained in private that successive US administrations have been incredibly indulgent about Pakistan's brazen involvement in fomenting terror in India, believing it would not touch the US. Part of the coddling goes back to US patronage of the ISI during the Afghan war. As a result, Washington has done little to bring to book Dawood Ibrahim, a terrorist charged with masterminding the serial bomb blasts in Mumbai in 1993 that took 258 lives, although Indian intelligence agencies have identified him as living in Karachi under ISI protection. The US has also said Dawood Ibrahim is linked to al-Qaida. While all major terror attacks in India are typically accompanied by knee-jerk charges from India and shrill denials by Pakistan, analysts point to mounting evidence that the Pakistan state, especially under its military, has done little to combat the scourge of terrorism. Several terrorist and extremist leaders such as Masood Azhar and "Prof" Hafeez Mohammed Saeed, continue to thrive in Pakistan, often under official patronage. Extremists openly preach terrorism in jihadi gatherings overseen by ISI. The Pakistani establishment has also dragged its feet on prosecuting Omar Saeed Sheikh, an accused in the Daniel Pearl murder because of his influential connections in the higher echelons of the ISI. Another terrorist Rashid Rauf, also known as the shoe-bomber, was killed last week in a US predator strike, months after he 'escaped' from Pakistani police custody while being escorted for a hearing. Western and Indian intelligence communities believe men like Sheikh and Rauf are protected by the ISI or rogue elements in the ISI. The Bush administration has pressed for a purging of the ISI of its rogue and extremist elements, but the new civilian government in Pakistan, which has made better relations with India a priority, is finding it hard to do it. Hard-line militaristic elements in Pakistan have fuming about the overtures made by both President Asif Ali Zardari and opposition leader Nawaz Sharief towards India. The Pakistani military, which controls the ISI, has resisted any attempt to make it subservient to the civilian government because the army uses it both as a fighting arm for its proxy war against India and also to spy on its own civilian government. Among the several question that security experts are grappling is the motive behind the latest attack and who stands to gain by it. The terrorists have notably not even raised the Kashmir issue for their action to be linked to the separatist cause. Nor did they attempt to extract any specific concession in exchange for hostages, other than to demand the release of "all mujaheddin," according to one report. They seemed intent on causing mayhem and dying in the same suicidal jihadi manner that was evident in the attack on India’s parliament and on the Akshardham temple earlier in this decade. Their victims, besides the scores of people who died, included India’s booming economy and tourism, both of which was the envy of a troubled neighbourhood. link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajiv Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 You think anyone has any hard proof, but is there any terrorism without a Pakistani hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desi Cartman Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 PM , army general , Modi & kapil sibal they all believe its pakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punjabi_khota Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varun Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 You think anyone has any hard proof' date=' but is there any terrorism without a Pakistani hand[/quote'] I know.. but there are all these conflicting news with the underworld's hand.. an unexplained situation with the top cops getting killed. It would be good to compile some reports.. Btw, ^^ Thanks dc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desi Cartman Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 IMO Indian based terrorist groups dont have enough resources , training , weapons ... there is some foreign hand .. and only pak would help them. IMO its Indians as well as paki terrorists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punjabi_khota Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Abbe seriously, all the intercepts so far by the police are in PUNJABI. PLEASE DON'T TELL ME THOSE PEOPLE CAME FROM INDIAN PUNJAB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajiv Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 I actually liked Modi;s Body Language, not sure what he would have done if he has PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varun Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Abbe seriously, all the intercepts so far by the police are in PUNJABI. PLEASE DON'T TELL ME THOSE PEOPLE CAME FROM INDIAN PUNJAB. I'm not saying they aren't pakistanis.. Just want a compilation of all the evidence here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desi Cartman Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 now govt has confirmed that the terrorist has confirmed that they got trained in pak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varun Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 now govt has confirmed that the terrorist has confirmed that they got trained in pak Bingo.. That's an important development. Source ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketics Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 HOLY SHOOT READ THIS CRAP Turkish couple let off by terrorists for being Muslims MUMBAI: When faced with a volley of gunshots, while sipping coffee at the Oberoi Hotel on Wednesday night, Ali Arpaciouglu, a Turkish citizen on a business trip to Mumbai, chose to escape through the hotel kitchen and down a flight of stairs that opened onto the road outside. This was probably one of the best decisions he took. On the other hand, his business partner, Meltem Muezzinoglu, and her husband, Seyfi, both Turks, when faced with the same situation, decided to dash out of the restaurant and head upstairs instead. When terrorists laid siege to the hotel, the Muezzinoglus were held hostage. "I was in the Indian restaurant at the Oberoi on Wednesday night, when we heard a couple of gunshots. This was followed by another round of shots,'' said Arpaciouglu. Diners ducked under their seats in panic. "One of the hotel staff, a lady whose hand had been wounded in the firing, led a group of us to safety. Though she was bleeding, she took charge of the situation, and led us out of the restaurant, to safety.'' The Muezzinoglus, however, found themselves in a hostage situation, along with a group of foreigners. That night, they shared a room with three foreigners - all women. Two machine-gun-wielding terrorists stood guard over them the whole night. All the hostages were asked to reveal their religion. When the Muezzinoglus said they were Muslims, their captors told them that they would not be harmed. The other three Caucasian women were removed from the room next day, and the terrorists informed the Muezzinoglus that they had been shot. Arpaciouglu kept in touch with his friends all through the hostage crisis, up until the time they were released the next day. While the hostages allowed the couple to make one phone call to Arpaciouglu at 3am, for the rest of the day, they relied on text messages. The couples' final messages read: `Soldiers are here now. Soldiers found us'. Arpaciouglu said, "I hope I'll never have to relive this experience.'' http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Turkish_couple_let_off_by_terrorists_for_being_Muslims/articleshow/3766609.cms ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desi Cartman Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Bingo.. That's an important development. Source ? ibn7 .. they got info from intelligence services after interrogation of the arrested mofo ... they also said its not the end of this .. around 30 ppl are in India to carry out attacks ... so there is more to come , sadly :(( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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