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A new idea on Sachin

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I am a huge Sachin fan and as much as it pains me to admit it, i realize that Sachin's best batting days are behind him, atlest in tests. It'd be reasonable enough to think Sachin can average between 45-50 in Tests from now on with the bat but i don't think we will ever see another 1000+ runs and 65-70 average for the season from Sachin in tests. Even in ODIs, i don't think Sachin will keep producing at the 45-50 range but would most likely keep producing in the 35-40 range. In light of all this, what do you folks think about the idea that Sachin devotes some attention towards his bowling and becomes a batting allrounder of sorts. Ie, say in tests someone who will average 45-50 with the bat and take around 2-3 wickets per match at 35-40 kind of average. Basically, a Ravi Shastri with better batting than Ravi. I think Tendulkar could do it and his highly underrated bowling skills could be good to focus on now that his batting aura is much diminished. He can bowl with a lot of variations - off spin, leg spin, googly, off cutter, incutters, etc. and pretty much the only balls he lacks are the reverse swing, doosra and the flipper. Many balls Sachin has bowled and taken wickets with would've made Warne,Hoggard or Murali proud. Looking around part-time bowlers, it is unusual to see a part time bowler who can bowl with such variations or produce a superb leg-break/off break/leg cutter out of nowhere. All of these part timers bowl flat, hard off-spin on a restrictive line & length and hope not go get hit. Tendulkar on the other hand bowls very erratically but has the rare talent to come up with brilliant deliveries. Would it not be a good idea if he focussed on his bowling to improve his accuracy because basically, Tendulkar's bowling + accuracy = quite decent test bowler and quite good ODI bowler.

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Re: A new idea on Sachin he's changed his style, but he isnt any less effective.... the 100 of 76 balls, against WI, the 57 from 29 balls, all were as effective as his ealier days, but he did that without any power hitting and without powerplays(he had much more than 2 fielders outside the ring) i sincerely dont think he has become any less effective in ODI's atleast, infact i feel its better to have him come at no 4, because he is 1 batsman who can maintain a good strike rate against any attack in the world.. I think sachin coming at #4 is perfect... probably more effective now that he's moulded his game, and provides a LOT of stability to the middle order... and no, i dont think sachin has diminished in ODI's atleast.. for tests, I'll put it down to a lack of form, and then a general bad patch for the team... dont forget, he was the second highest scorer for us in SA, even after the bad back.

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Re: A new idea on Sachin I think Sachin's best position would be #3 in the ODIs or opening. I am still not sold on Sehwag for opening and in the long term, India is going to need Sachin as an opener because i don't think Ganguly will last a long time. If Sachin's in the middle order, i don't see why Yuvraj should come before him- i actually think a batting lineup in the order of : Ganguly-Sehwag-Tendulkar-Yuvraj-Dravid-Dhoni is quite good (provided Sehwag stops mucking around). It has a left-right-right-left element in the top four, Dravid is great for #5 and Dhoni is ideal for #6 i think- he can score big hits or build an innings nicely. But yeah, i think if Tendulkar's batting starts to diminish ( i think it already has, but even if it hasn't, it will in the next few years) he should focus on his bowling skills coz he can become a really decent bowler.

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Re: A new idea on Sachin If Dhoni bats at #6, who'll bat at #7? In fact Dhoni's terrible batting in the two matches in this WC are a cause of great concern. Sehwag is a hit and miss player. So who do you rely on? It is a very tricky situation. Don't go on the hype around India's batting line-up!

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Re: A new idea on Sachin

Nope. Too risky. Pathan can only be our 5th bowler. As it is we have witnessed how the sharpness has disappeared from our bowling in the last two matches. Can't affort to make it even more blunt!
If we play Pathan at #7, there are four bowlers after Pathan, thus making Pathan the 5th bowler ! Question is, do you think a batting lineup of Ganguly-Sehwag-Tendy-Yuvraj-Dravid-Dhoni-Pathan-Harbhajan is good enough. I think it is.
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Re: A new idea on Sachin Seems that i cant ever agree with anything CC1981 says on here... I started as a good seam bowler in my freshman year, made it to the school team sophomore year, tried becoming a late order batsman and a bowler in my junior year, spent my senior year watching the team play from the sides. heck they did not even permit me to carry the drinks. finally my coach pulled me aside and said this "son your technique is rare, for its quite different, you defend everything on the front foot, hit with your feet stuck to the ground and have hand to eye coordination of a quadriplegic... stick to what you can do and what are you good at: bowling". alas by time i got back to bowling like my freshman year, i graduated. I call it the allrounder trap. An exceptional player is bound to shine in a field other than his primary skill set simply because of his talent. Tendulkar, Pathan and Agarkar to an extent have been part victim of this. They were all exception at what they began with but thanks to the occasional success in a discipline other than their primary skill set, found themselves under pressure to broaden the realms of their exploits. thus the pool of talent was distributed over a larger area and thus thinned. hence, the downfall. We dont need an allrounder. Sounds dumb, sounds weird, but there is really no need for more than one allrounder at the very most. anything more is superfluous and counter productive. if you have an army of allrounders, one is lead to believe: "hey they have so many bowlers or such a deep batting" but in reality, the team is sporting a bunch of bits and pieces players. look at what lead to the downfall of Pakistan after the 2005 tour of india... they won the series 4-2 due to a fortuitous display of brilliant bowling by Rana Naved and the occasional batting exploits of Afridi and Razzaq. as a result they began to sport a side with three, at times four allrounders in the form of Afridi, Razzaq, Malik and Hafeez. Soon when these bits and pieces players fell to the law of averages, the team's fortunes plummetted. I say if we must have an allrounder than bring back Ramesh Powar or J P Yadav and persist with them for they have the talent from day one in more than one breadth. rather than force geniune specialist to become allrounders. That being said, an examination of Sachin's batting is required. He has been anything bust sensational since his return in Malaysia and has scored with ease in every series. infact his longest performance trench was a three match stint in south africa. on the other hand, in test matches, he needs to gain some confidence for that is all that separates him from centuries. so as the proverbial bumper sticker says "if aint broke, dont fix it"

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Re: A new idea on Sachin

oh no!, then Bheem's signature would read .ssshh. the Boss is Bowling
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: it would be Boss is Batting & Bowling
I would not wanna TAG sachin as a Batting alrounder just for the heck of it. There could be chances that Bheem would have to change his Siggy like .... Shhhhh Boss is Batting ??? or Bowling??? or is he Batting Actually ??? Boss is Confused :wall: :wall: :wall: and ya dont forget Shhhhhhh (he might need some time to think) :lmao: :lmao:
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