Sachinism Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 OK I got the book called you are the umpire and I thought it would be fun to put forward some of the dilemas to the members of ICF. Firstly about the book Product Description A batsman's bat breaks in half mid-shot. He trips on the piece of broken blade, knocking it back into the stumps. Is he out hit wicket? At Canterbury (in the old days, before the big tree died) a ball strikes the upper branches and leaves of the tree but still clears the boundary. What do you signal? A batsman is struck on the helmet. Dazed, he walks into his stumps. The fielding team appeal. What do you decide? Paul Trevillion, Europe's foremost sports illustrator, has teamed up with ex-professional cricket and test umpire John Holder to produce this entertaining and informative guide to the laws of cricket. Based on the hugely popular "Observer" comic strip and embellished with anecdotes from John Holder's thirty-five years in top class cricket, this book is a treasure trove for all fans of this beautiful, compelling - sometimes frustrating - game. OK we can play a game. I'll post some of the situations from the book and people here need to decide what would happen in that situation. You require more than just a yes or no answer, try explaining the reasoning behind your answer. I'll offer varying prizes depending on the the difficulty of the question. I'll pick the answer which I think is closest to the actual And if anyone has the book or has read it, please don't spoil the fun. Ok, lets start. Situation #1 A batsman plays a stroke which causes his bat to break. The chunk of the bat falls just behind him and he ball has gone into the gap, the batsman sets off to run and in the process his foot kicks the broken chunk of the bat onto the stumps while he is out of the crease. Is he out? Prize: $10000 ICF Link to comment
Lord Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 OK I got the book called you are the umpire and I thought it would be fun to put forward some of the dilemas to the members of ICF. Firstly about the book Product Description A batsman's bat breaks in half mid-shot. He trips on the piece of broken blade, knocking it back into the stumps. Is he out hit wicket? At Canterbury (in the old days, before the big tree died) a ball strikes the upper branches and leaves of the tree but still clears the boundary. What do you signal? A batsman is struck on the helmet. Dazed, he walks into his stumps. The fielding team appeal. What do you decide? Paul Trevillion, Europe's foremost sports illustrator, has teamed up with ex-professional cricket and test umpire John Holder to produce this entertaining and informative guide to the laws of cricket. Based on the hugely popular "Observer" comic strip and embellished with anecdotes from John Holder's thirty-five years in top class cricket, this book is a treasure trove for all fans of this beautiful, compelling - sometimes frustrating - game. OK we can play a game. I'll post some of the situations from the book and people here need to decide what would happen in that situation. You require more than just a yes or no answer, try explaining the reasoning behind your answer. I'll offer varying prizes depending on the the difficulty of the question. I'll pick the answer which I think is closest to the actual And if anyone has the book or has read it, please don't spoil the fun. Ok, lets start. Situation #1 A batsman plays a stroke which causes his bat to break. The chunk of the bat falls just behind him and he ball has gone into the gap, the batsman sets off to run and in the process his foot kicks the broken chunk of the bat onto the stumps while he is out of the crease. Is he out? Prize: $10000 ICF no he isnt bcoz the batsman can be out if the bat is any contact with the batsman's body.since the piece which was broken was not in contact with his body,he shall be NOT OUT Link to comment
DomainK Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 I think he is not out. If the broken chunk had fallen straight on to the stumps, it would have been out. But not in this case. I think once the broken chunk has lost it's inertia of motion, it becomes an alien object. Then kicking it on to the stumps with another motion while taking the run definitely does not amount to hit wicket. Link to comment
DomainK Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 no he isnt bcoz the batsman can be out if the bat is any contact with the batsman's body.since the piece which was broken was not in contact with his body' date='he shall be NOT OUT[/quote'] No. I think I remember Sidhu's helmet falling back on the stumps and he was given out hit wicket. So if your helmet/bat or any other part of the batsman's clothing or protective equipments fall on the stumps and break them while not in contact with his body, he will be ruled out. Link to comment
zubinpepsi Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 No. I think I remember Sidhu's helmet falling back on the stumps and he was given out hit wicket. So if your helmet/bat or any other part of the batsman's clothing or protective equipments fall on the stumps and break them while not in contact with his body' date=' he will be ruled out.[/quote'] also KP recently got out by this fashion.. Link to comment
Anonymous Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 He is not out. I have seen batsmen crashing into stumps while running. Even if he is out of the crease it does not qualify as a run out... Link to comment
Lord Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 He is not out. I have seen batsmen crashing into stumps while running. Even if he is out of the crease it does not qualify as a run out... How can a batsman crash into the stumps while being outside the crease:hmmmm: Link to comment
Lord Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 No. I think I remember Sidhu's helmet falling back on the stumps and he was given out hit wicket. So if your helmet/bat or any other part of the batsman's clothing or protective equipments fall on the stumps and break them while not in contact with his body' date=' he will be ruled out.[/quote'] u r right.i thought may be different ruling for the bat Link to comment
rainy day Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 I'd deem that NO, as the batsman has set out to run and the "event" of him playing the ball has ended. If the chunk of bat had hit during the process of playing the ball i'd say then he was out. Link to comment
rahuliverpool Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 I would say he is not out. The chunk fell on the ground while he played the shot so he is safe there. Then, if he in the process of a run accidentally kicks the chunk onto the stumps, he shouldn't be given out hit wicket as the chunk was a part of the bat, but not anymore. It is now, like Domaink said, an alien object. Link to comment
Sachinism Posted July 20, 2009 Author Share Posted July 20, 2009 No winners so far :P Someone got close but didn't follow the instructions properly Link to comment
rainy day Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 hmm, interesting the only possibility left is that he is out because he immediately set off for the FIRST run during which you can still get Hit wicket if part of your bat hits the stumps. If it was the second run and the chunk hit then it would be NO. Link to comment
zubinpepsi Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 yes he is out. he is out cause, the bat is a part of batsmen's equipment. and when the ball is still in play.. wherever his equipment is, it will still be deemed as batsmen's equipment and it ll b deemed out since his one of the equipment which hits the stumps when hes still short of the crease.. its jus like how a helment which is places behind the wk is supposed to b live and the batsmen gets 5 runs if the ball touches the helment.. Link to comment
zubinpepsi Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 No winners so far :P Someone got close but didn't follow the instructions properly sorry forgot tht i have to explain.. Link to comment
Sachinism Posted July 20, 2009 Author Share Posted July 20, 2009 he is out cause, the bat is a part of batsmen's equipment. and when the ball is still in play.. wherever his equipment is, it will still be deemed as batsmen's equipment and it ll b deemed out since his one of the equipment which hits the stumps when hes still short of the crease.. its jus like how a helment which is places behind the wk is supposed to b live and the batsmen gets 5 runs if the ball touches the helment.. Congrats Situation #1 The explanation from the book says: If, in playing a shot, or setting off for a run any part of the batsman's person or equipment hits the wicket he is out on appeal. Link to comment
zubinpepsi Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Congrats The explanation from the book says: If, in playing a shot, or setting off for a run any part of the batsman's person or equipment hits the wicket he is out on appeal. Thanks PJ.. and also for the $$$ :two_thumbs_up: Link to comment
DomainK Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Congrats The explanation from the book says: If, in playing a shot, or setting off for a run any part of the batsman's person or equipment hits the wicket he is out on appeal. I did not know that hit wicket is applicable while taking a run. But you are right. Hit wicket can happen while setting off for the first run. Link to comment
rahuliverpool Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Congrats The explanation from the book says: If, in playing a shot, or setting off for a run any part of the batsman's person or equipment hits the wicket he is out on appeal. Didn't know that. :--D Link to comment
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