Separating men from boys: when in doubt drop by

[Guest dada_rocks]

Average of batsmen before 2001 [ Allegedly before the advent ofreal paratha bowling era] [code:f84dde8b4e] Yousuf 33 2235 203 42.98 7 12 0 - - 0 37 0 Inzamam 75 5299 200* 47.73 15 30 0 - - 0 58 0 Lara 82 6870 375 48.72 16 34 0 - - 0 107 0 Sachin 86 7112 217 57.35 26 28 24 3/10 39.41 0 56 0 Dravid 50 4135 200* 52.34 9 22 0 - - 0 58 0 Ganguly 48 3087 173 41.16 7 15 23 3/28 41.78 0 35 0 Ponting 49 3024 197 45.13 9 14 4 1/0 37.00 0 57 0 Laxman 26 1588 281 36.93 2 9 0 - - 0 34 0 Steve waugh 141 9289 200 51.32 27 42 89 5/28 35.74 3 100 0 Mark Waugh 118 7523 153* 42.50 20 43 56 5/40 39.50 1 161 0 Kallis 43 2629 160 43.09 7 13 70 5/90 29.75 1 34 0 M Taylor 104 7525 334* 43.49 19 40 1 1/11 26.00 0 157 0 Aravinda Silva 85 5728 267 42.42 18 21 27 3/30 40.40 0 43 0 Graham 63 3979 138 39.39 7 26 0 - - 0 62 0 Michael 105 7280 185* 39.13 16 43 2 1/20 151.00 0 68 0 Naser hussai 56 3158 207 35.48 8 14 0 - - 0 41 0 Gary Kirsten 67 4504 275 41.70 11 22 2 1/0 67.50 0 55 0 Chanderpaul 45 2682 137* 40.63 2 21 6 1/2 116.16 0 18 0 [/code:1:f84dde8b4e] PS: Point out name I will keep adding to the list

[King]

Re: Separating men from boys: when in doubt drop by That's a bit shocking really, there were only 3 of them over the average of 50. I think all the the players currently playing from the above list have an average over 50.

[Sooda]

Re: Separating men from boys: when in doubt drop by Kallis 43 2629 160 43.09 7 13 70 5/90 29.75 1 34 0 Sachin ahead there by MILES. Streets ahead of everyone...

[Guest dada_rocks]

Re: Separating men from boys: when in doubt drop by Guys like yousus younus etc would never have gone beyond 45. Heck Mark waugh averages 42 in those era and we al know how good a batsman he was these days every tom dick and hary averages 50+. Doesn't impress me at all.

[Gambit]

Re: Separating men from boys: when in doubt drop by Yup. Mentioned this before. Only three batsmen in the 90s truly earned that 50 average. SRT,BCL and SRW. The 50 average these days has become a joke. Even the likes of Younis Khan are creeping to it.

[gator]

Re: Separating men from boys: when in doubt drop by DR... i had dug out the same stats before in the earlier board.... but it never hurts to keep reminding ;)

[yoda]

Re: Separating men from boys: when in doubt drop by So, some play better against great bowling and then start choking against paratha bowling.

[DesiChap]

Re: Separating men from boys: when in doubt drop by Playing 18 years of International cricket have cought up with SRT.

[Anakin]

Re: Separating men from boys: when in doubt drop by

So' date=' some play better against great bowling and then start choking against paratha bowling. [/quote'] Can easily happen when you play them for over a decade, physical injuries can catch up with anyone, unless you take some break and see shrinks Thanks for proving what I've been saying repeatedly. BTW, among those 3 what's the home and away avg during that period. Good work anyway, just shows the difference of class Class is permanent, form is temporary.

[Guest dada_rocks]

Re: Separating men from boys: when in doubt drop by

So' date=' some play better against great bowling and then start choking against paratha bowling. [/quote'] get bored that's the term

[Guest dada_rocks]

Re: Separating men from boys: when in doubt drop by

DR... i had dug out the same stats before in the earlier board.... but it never hurts to keep reminding ;)

Let us make this stat sticky in that case ...

[yoda]

Re: Separating men from boys: when in doubt drop by

So' date=' some play better against great bowling and then start choking against paratha bowling. [/quote'] get bored that's the term

retire is the answer to that. :hic:

[Guest dada_rocks]

Re: Separating men from boys: when in doubt drop by

So' date=' some play better against great bowling and then start choking against paratha bowling. [/quote'] get bored that's the term

retire is the answer to that. :hic:

may be or temporarily take break and come back all charged

[Predator_05]

Re: Separating men from boys: when in doubt drop by

Guys like yousus younus etc would never have gone beyond 45. Heck Mark waugh averages 42 in those era and we al know how good a batsman he was these days every tom dick and hary averages 50+. Doesn't impress me at all.

Echoes my thoughts. That's exactly why i stubbornly refuse to rate Ponting, Dravid, and other pretenders ahead of Tendulkar, Lara or even Steve Waugh for that matter. Here is a fantastic ARTICLEby the Guardian on how fast bowling has become marginalised and how cricket has slowly become a contest between bat and bat. The following excerpts highlight the evolution of the sport from the '80's and '90's (the final decades of great bowlers) to the '00's (the age of the batsmen).

This is undoubtedly batting's most glorious age. In the 1980s, only the very best players - Viv Richards (50.23), Allan Border (50.56) and Sunil Gavaskar (51.12) - had an average above 50, and only just. Now 10 current players average more than Gavaskar managed. And the averages and the aggregates will continue to rise as batsman are fattened on a diet of mediocre bowling from teams such as Bangladesh and a politically ravaged Zimbabwe, teams that are not good enough to play Test cricket, as well as the enfeebled West Indies. 'Bowling has become homogenised,' former England captain Michael Atherton told me. 'Attacking batting has made bowling and captaincy more defensive than they used to be.' With so much cricket - too much cricket - being played across the world and around the year, there is hardly any chance for the emergence of genuinely quick bowlers. 'Coaches are coaching fast bowlers to bowl so that they can avoid injuries,' says Atherton. Fortunately, the modern game has two of the greatest of all spin bowlers, Australia's Shane Warne and Muttiah Muralitharan of Sri Lanka. Their longevity owes much to the reality that international cricket is less demanding of the spinner than it is of the speedster. What the guile and quality of top-class spin bowling have done, indisputably, is to make the game a wonderful spectacle, providing a rich sub-theme that, in its rhythm and its attraction, is in keeping with the drama that Test cricket at its best provides. Yet what of the spectacle - to borrow William Blake's phrase - of the 'fearful symmetry' of the fast bowler? With the exception of Steve Harmison, most of today's quick bowlers are either injured (one thinks particularly of the New Zealand speedster Shane Bond, who was devastating at the 2003 World Cup in South Africa) or, like Shaun Pollock, who was once so fast, significantly reduced. With batting turning into the attack as well as the counter-attack of cricket, containment has become the fast bowler's stock in trade. 'While we have been rejoicing in the splendour of strokeplay, bowling seems to have been becoming less ambitious, more stereotyped,' wrote Gideon Haigh in Wisden Asia. 'Its rhetoric is accented to nagging and negating - "the corridor", "the channel" and "getting it in the right areas" - rather than beating and bewildering.' Even Australia's most important match-winning quick bowler, Glenn McGrath - the Maestro of Millimetres - is known more for his metronomic accuracy than hostility and speed. 'The sort of pitch you had in Antigua [on which eight centuries, including a triple from Chris Gayle, were scored when West Indies played South Africa in May] should be bombed,' says Bob Willis, who as a fast bowler took 325 Test wickets between 1970 and 1984 and is commentating on the current Ashes series for Sky Sports. 'Cricket should be a contest and not a statistician's delight to see who can score most runs.'

[Sooda]

Re: Separating men from boys: when in doubt drop by ^Hmm. That is a good article.

[Anakin]

Re: Separating men from boys: when in doubt drop by :chin: :chin:

[Anakin]

Re: Separating men from boys: when in doubt drop by [TBP]Bah there wasn't enough pressure at that time from the best bowlers of the era[/TBP] Although kinda makes sense, the shy laura didn't last long enough to experience pressure during that time.