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The last group game: Ind vs WI pre-match talk


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The last group game: Ind vs WI pre-match talk  

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    • India will win
    • West Indies will win


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but if we lose tomorrow' date=' how good are our chances to proceed ahead?[/quote'] We will get into quarters no matter what. Our NRR is so high that Eng will need to beat Windies by a huge margin - maybe 150 or so. But the main thing is that if we beat WI we will most probably face NZ in quarter final, else we will end up facing Aussies :nervous:
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but if we lose tomorrow' date=' how good are our chances to proceed ahead?[/quote'] We are practically in the KOs unless we lose by a HUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE margin, along w/ other things like Eng beating WI, BD beating SA happening So many things have to go wrong for Ind to not qualify and right for other teams, which makes Ind not qualifying a theoretical possibility but a rather improbable reality :winky: Though anything is possible but if we play to the best of our potential, we should have nothing to worry :icflove:
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Our NRR is so high that Eng will need to beat Windies by a huge margin - maybe 150 or so.
Are you sure? Because if we lose to WI, our net run rate will also decline...so England wouldn't have to win by a massive margin especially if we lose relatively heavily?
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Since we have enough questions, we have to use this game to seek answers and not bury things under carpet (Ten and Zak) :winky: .... The players already know what to expect in the KO, that's not the question. The question is to have everyone in the team prepare (esp mentally) to deliver in the KOs and not rely solely on Ten and Zak. Also pick out the best ones from Sree and Nehra and give Raina some confidence too, if he has to come in later on for whatever reasons. Ashwin needs to get a game too. If you think that not everyone needs to be at their best then you still haven't realized why Ind hasn't won a WC since 1983 Anyways, enough is said already. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, esp. if it is for Ind's benefit :nice:
We have so many questions that's why we need to nail the winning combination and starting XI for knockouts at the earliest. Resting key players and bringing in others will only muddy up the waters. Let me give you an example... If SRT rests, Gambhir is brought in to open with Kohli at 3, Raina at 6 and Pathan at 7. What happens if all of these players play well and get 50s? Are you going to change the order for the knock-outs? What do you do when SRT comes back as all these performances came from batting positions whic will anyways be changed. What now? I would play the team for the knockouts as all the performances would come from where the batsmen are supposed to bat at. And as for Zaheer, what if Gayle or Pollard go ballistic? Who will control these guys up-front and in batting power-play? What if this onslaught loses us the game and we end up playing Aus in quarters instead of NZ if we had won the game? IMO that's too much of a risk too take as there's plenty riding at stake on the game.
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gayle is just back form injury and we all know how ballistic exactly pollard has been , looks like he cannot hit until he gets on in his mind that its a 20 over match and his ass is on fire and even if he onslaughts that way i am sure, yuvraj singh or bhajii would surely get him as i havent seen pollard go after spinners bashing so continuously

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Are you sure? Because if we lose to WI' date=' our net run rate will also decline...so England wouldn't have to win by a massive margin especially if we lose relatively heavily?[/quote'] Positive. Our NRR is extremely high as even our lone loss was an extremely close one and we had couple of very comfortable wins against B'desh and Netherlands. On the other hand Eng has lost to B'desh and Ireland and their win against SA was by 6 runs and the one against Netherlands was in the last over. So their NRR is near 0. They will have to beat WI by a huge margin and hope WI beat us by a comfortable margin as well. Mathematically it's possible but not realistically.
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Positive. Our NRR is extremely high as even our lone loss was an extremely close one and we had couple of very comfortable wins against B'desh and Netherlands. On the other hand Eng has lost to B'desh and Ireland and their win against SA was by 6 runs and the one against Netherlands was in the last over. So their NRR is near 0. They will have to beat WI by a huge margin and hope WI beat us by a comfortable margin as well. Mathematically it's possible but not realistically.
and england winning by a high margin is a huge task given that their main aim in this tournament so far has been to play as close contested matches as possible and i think if windies lose against us, theyw il go all guns blazing on poms :--D
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We have so many questions that's why we need to nail the winning combination and starting XI for knockouts at the earliest. Resting key players and bringing in others will only muddy up the waters. Let me give you an example... If SRT rests, Gambhir is brought in to open with Kohli at 3, Raina at 6 and Pathan at 7. What happens if all of these players play well and get 50s? Are you going to change the order for the knock-outs? What do you do when SRT comes back as all these performances came from batting positions whic will anyways be changed. What now? I would play the team for the knockouts as all the performances would come from where the batsmen are supposed to bat at. And as for Zaheer, what if Gayle or Pollard go ballistic? Who will control these guys up-front and in batting power-play? What if this onslaught loses us the game and we end up playing Aus in quarters instead of NZ if we had won the game? IMO that's too much of a risk too take as there's plenty riding at stake on the game.
That's a good problem to have :winky: .... This is weird that you see people scoring runs ias a problem. The idea is not to change the combination for KO but to get everyone else going and pick the best ones from the rest The idea is to see how the bowling attack (our weakness) does w/o Zak. They have to learn to handle this because if they can't then you could get knocked out in one of the games eventually. You have to prepare them to take the responsibility by giving them that responsibility in the last grp game. Again, whom we play in the QF should be the last thing on our mind if our ultimate goal is to win the WC. If it is to just get into the semis then I can see your point. But if we have to win the semis and the final, we have to push ourselves and not run away from questions that could be asked eventually My 2 cents :icflove:
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Positive. Our NRR is extremely high as even our lone loss was an extremely close one and we had couple of very comfortable wins against B'desh and Netherlands. On the other hand Eng has lost to B'desh and Ireland and their win against SA was by 6 runs and the one against Netherlands was in the last over. So their NRR is near 0. They will have to beat WI by a huge margin and hope WI beat us by a comfortable margin as well. Mathematically it's possible but not realistically.
Yeah, I just ran a quick check and, if my calculations were correct, if we lose by even 50 runs, and England win by 200 runs, we would still have a higher NRR and obviously if England win by fewer than that (and even a 100-run victory is a huge margin in ODI cricket, really) than we will be even further ahead. So we should be fine.
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and england winning by a high margin is a huge task given that their main aim in this tournament so far has been to play as close contested matches as possible and i think if windies lose against us' date=' theyw il go all guns blazing on poms :--D[/quote'] We play Windies 2-3 days after the WI-Eng game :--D
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I hope you are putting your money where you friends' dog's paw is :winky:
I'm starting with the BD- Neth match.... WI-India match is still some way off:winky:
:nervous: As long as it is Ind last defeat in this WC, I won't mind it :yay: .... My neighbors dog tailed waved at a tie so you never know :P Though the loss against SA could have our last in this WC, I like the pattern of 4 (w/o loss)-1(loss)-4 (w/o loss) then 4-2-3
Interesting, though I know you are only kidding, I'd like to tell you that that dog wasn't too sure about the WI-India match either.... he was favoring WI at a ratio of 2:1 ; picking WI 2 out of 3 chances and India 1 out of 3... so it could be a tie:winky: OR it could be early days yet... we'' ll ask the dog again a day or 2 before the match !! He seemed very sure of BD-Neth match though:haha:
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Makes it tough to chose a second string team when qualifying to the QF in a better position is at stake. Had we won against RSA it would have been a different picture. The best chance to try these players would have been against Ireland and Netherlands.

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Makes it tough to chose a second string team when qualifying to the QF in a better position is at stake. Had we won against RSA it would have been a different picture. The best chance to try these players would have been against Ireland and Netherlands.
Agreed... but at that time Dhoni was busy buliding up Chawla's confidence:rolleyes:
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its going to be the same old story again gayle's gonna hammer us all over darren bravo will take the oppurtunity and pile up the runs pollard will make his maiden odi ton in his first game against india sarwan and chanderpaul will torture us as usual roach's gonna bag a 5-fer the remaining batsmen will gift their wickets to suilemann benn and, if devendra bishoo gets a game, sachin will welcome him with his wicket

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Ashwin, Raina likely to play against West Indies http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/cricket-world-cup-2011/news/Ashwin-Raina-likely-to-play-against-West-Indies/articleshow/7697113.cms NAGPUR: After the Indian batsmen fell like nine pins against South Africa on Saturday in the World Cup game, the team management has little choice but to now play 'Scissorhands'. Sources within the team told TOI that at least two players who played in Nagpur are likely to be dropped for the next match against the West Indies, coming up on March 20 in Chennai. Players under the scanner are Yusuf Pathan, Ashish Nehra and Munaf Patel. While Pathan's position is quite shaky, it's an either-or situation between Nehra and Patel. Though it isn't clear exactly which player will go, sources said off-spinner R Ashwin would be replacing a pacer. The source added that the team management was also contemplating factoring in Suresh Raina given that the left-handed batsman has the ability to resuscitate the team's batting in the death overs. "The advantage with Raina is that he can bat at any number. He is also the best fielder in the team and can occasionally bowl if required," said the source. "Ashwin has a strong chance of making the cut. The team will play two spinners and two pacers. The team combination will be finalized in Chennai but discussions to this effect have taken place in the locker room. In hindsight, the VCA pitch in Nagpur was ideal for Ashwin, but the team management went ahead with three seamers," the source added. It's not clear who will share the new ball with Zaheer Khan. Meanwhile, the source revealed that the defeat at the hands of South Africa has not unnerved the team. "The match wasn't one-sided, it was close till the last over," remarked the source. "Three hundred or more would have been ideal, but 296 was not that bad. It's not too late to rectify the mistakes. It's a wake-up call," he stressed.

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We need to play specialists in order to win games. The strategy of getting 4 overs from part-timers like Yousuf and Yuvraj seems to be a very defensive approach. We should drop Yousuf and play Ashwin alongwith Harbhajan and Chawla or another seamer with Zaheer Khan and Nehra. If you cant win a game with 6 batsmen I refuse to believe the one extra guy will make a difference. Besides that we are blessed with Bhajji who can bat pretty well.

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