Is there madness in Dhoni's method?

[pinkfreud]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/506375.html The Indian captain's instincts and reasoning have worked in the past - even giving Nehra the final over - but there are times he needs to take a leaf from his batting and play it safe Sharda Ugra March 16, 2011 There is an advert seen on Indian television these days that has celebrities of varying significance egging on the Indian team in the World Cup. The Hindi tagline at the end says, "Team aise nahin jeet ti, jitaana padtaa hai." Translated that means, "The team doesn't win just like that, you've got to make it win." It is meant for India's fans - as if they needed to be told to put the weight of their will behind MS Dhoni's squad. Should Dhoni turn his attention away from his favourite off-field pastime of video-gaming and watch the advert, it might sound like an instruction directed at him as well. Dhoni has spent a relatively unharried four years in charge of India, or at least he has been careful to ensure it looks that way. More than his brand-building, cringe-making Captain Cool persona, Dhoni's tenure as skipper has been secure, rival-proof, and therefore wrinkle-free. Now, suddenly, over the course of a few weeks of the World Cup, creases are beginning to show both in the Indian team and its captain. India's World Cup is still alive, but already gloomy calculations are being made as to how their place in the quarter-finals is actually not secure. For the first time since his oxygen-depleting ascent, neither is Dhoni's as captain. On Sunday against West Indies in Chennai, he will be watched closer than he has been in a long time. Dhoni's strike rate at No. 3 and 4 is vastly better than his overall strike rate, so why does he choose to bat down the order? As startling as Dhoni's message may have been to his batsmen who played "for the crowd" on Saturday, it has not surprised them. Nor has it sent them, the India faithful will be relieved to hear, into despair or doubt. It is what Dhoni's modus operandi has always been: to speak directly, briefly and non-confrontationally to players; let them know what he believes needs to be done. In media briefings he does most of the same, but can frequently be snippy. Always, though, he will laboriously explain why he changed the batting or bowling order, chose to bat or chase, and then offer philosophical observations about hybrid fuel and life jackets. At the World Cup, Dhoni's captaincy has been under the cosh for a set of reasons: in larger terms, it has to do with selection, like in the Piyush Chawla case. In smaller measure, decisions in Nagpur about changes in the batting order, and giving Ashish Nehra the final over. Until now Dhoni's has been captaincy by instinct over method, his own school of reasoning, and like with most captains once they gain greater control of their team, a healthy dose of obstinacy. In the last four years of his captaincy in the short game, if Dhoni had to be asked what was India's best ODI performance under his leadership, he would be choosing between the early CB Series win of 2008, an Asia Cup victory, or bilateral series wins in New Zealand and West Indies. Now Dhoni's decisions, made using both reason and instinct, are backfiring often because their basic premises may be incorrect. Why should the cotton-woolling of Chawla not be interpreted as cricket's version of babysitting? Dhoni said Chawla had been picked to play in Delhi against Netherlands, because "basically you have to see which was the player that needed this game most, rather than the team needing the player". Or how about No. 4 being Virat Kohli's sacrosanct spot, before or after which he should ideally not be sent? Kohli is 22. Should he not be running loose wherever and whenever he is sent? Yuvraj Singh has spent all but 41 matches of his ODI career flitting between Nos. 4, 5 and 6, Rahul Dravid has kept wicket in ODIs, Sourav Ganguly broke one of the most successful ODI partnerships for India to go down to No. 3, Virender Sehwag went from being a middle-order batsman to an opener who has redefined the Test-match art itself. To move Yusuf Pathan up the order in a match against one of the best attacks in the World Cup on a wicket that was stopping was again based on a formula that the openers had given the platform and the pace of the innings needed to be amped up. The decision that had to be taken was which among the "explosive power" hitters Dhoni had spoken about would be able to do the job required: Yuvraj, Kohli, Dhoni or Pathan. Against Ireland, Pathan (30 off 24 balls, two fours three sixes) was pitch perfect. Against Dale Steyn in the Powerplay, he should have been the last option. Like all captains Dhoni also has his players of choice who are given more licence, and his team recognises instinctively who those players are. Unfortunately for Dhoni his captaincy has not coincided with the discovery of new match-winners, like those found under Sourav Ganguly, for example. When a captain's instinct starts to head off in a direction where things do not go the way he wants, they sometimes overwhelm and undermine reason. A random example being not letting Harbhajan Singh immediately at JP Duminy, who has been dismissed by him three times in Tests in single digits. Four overs from the pacemen passed, Duminy put up 19 off 14 before Harbhajan came on. Immediately Duminy's runs dried up and he was out off Harbhajan's sixth ball to him. The decision between Nehra and Harbhajan Singh became a 50-50 toss-up, with the spinner offering to bowl the 49th so that the team's most nerveless bowler, Zaheer Khan, could send down the 50th. If the 49th goes well - like it did for the Indians against South Africa in Nagpur, where Zaheer conceded four - the man bowling the 50th at least has a buffer. So far it had gone to Dhoni's plan. Nehra was the moment Dhoni gambled, because he has been India's best ODI bowler over the last year, the go-to man at the death. In Rajkot last year Nehra bowled the 50th against a rampaging Angelo Mathews with 11 needed off the last over to go past India's 414. He conceded five off the first three balls and took Mathews' wicket with the fourth. Nehra has bowled the final over for India four times in his career, the two now forgotten instances being Karachi, the first ODI of the electric 2004 India-Pakistan series and against West Indies in a 2005 tri-series in Colombo, which took India to the final. Nagpur was the first time India lost. Before the World Cup he had taken 73 wickets (62 in ODIs and 13 in Twenty20s) since his comeback into the Indian team in June 2009. Why should Dhoni not have gone to him? Other than the fact that he may not have been warmed up not having bowled for 12 overs. It was a logical gamble that didn't work. Pathan and Chawla are the illogical gambles - they were perhaps doomed to tank. As much as Dhoni wants his batsmen to "curb their instincts", it is the best time for his leadership to internalise the same message. Since his debut for India in 2004, he has changed his batting to eliminate risk (as if we haven't noticed that the cola-patented "helicopter shot" is not to be seen these days), yet he will not bat higher up the order as Ganguly repeatedly beseeches him to do in both commentary and column. He has a better average and 100-plus strike rate batting at either No. 3 or 4, but has done so in only 32 of 162 innings. His keeping has vastly improved from the 2007 version, and he still remains one of India's better runners between wickets. The match versus West Indies may have to mark the moment that his leadership evolves in a different direction. Or it could take a route he would rather not contemplate.

[vamos_rafa]

I said this before as well, MSD giving the last over to NEhra was not purely a moment of madness. HE has had a history of bowling last overs its another thing that it did not work. But to criticise him right,left and center for it is not done. And in hindsight, had bhajji bowled the last over and SA would have won it, then the same stats of NEhra bowling the last over would have become the cover page news, as to why he was not given the ball when he's arguably our best last over bowler. Hindsight always gives you a better sight, doesn't it?

[kabira]

well thats not the issue here. His captaincy was worse against England. SA had to play out of their skin to win that game, they had to improvise, go over the top, so they had to do it. Against England Dhoni gave them easy singles, twos...thats where I would criticize him

[pinkfreud]

I said this before as well, MSD giving the last over to NEhra was not purely a moment of madness. HE has had a history of bowling last overs its another thing that it did not work. But to criticise him right,left and center for it is not done. And in hindsight, had bhajji bowled the last over and SA would have won it, then the same stats of NEhra bowling the last over would have become the cover page news, as to why he was not given the ball when he's arguably our best last over bowler.

That's why Ugra says the Nehra gamble was a logical one even though it failed; Dhoni's Chawla and Pathan's batting position gamble, on the other hand, was a failure from the very start.

[fineleg]

If India dont even make semis, then it is epic :fail: by MSD

[asterix]

Bhajji, UV & Pathan didn't completed their quota of overs where as Jokers like Munna completed their full quota and Nehra was in his 9th over when he lost it in 4 deliveries.. Z Khan 10 0 43 1 4.30 A Nehra 8.4 0 65 0 7.50 MM Patel 10 0 65 2 6.50 YK Pathan 4 0 20 0 5.00 Yuvraj Singh 8 0 47 0 5.87 Harbhajan Singh 9 0 53 3 5.88 There's no METHOD IN MADNESS. That's INCOMPETENT CAPTAINCY and TOTAL MISCALCULATION in bowling strategy..It was STUPIDITY.. Dhoni fails to understand that his MAIN bowlers are Zak, Bhajji, UV & Pathan. The 5th bowlers quota has to shared by the 2 jokers Munna & Nehra..

[vamos_rafa]

That's why Ugra says the Nehra gamble was a logical one even though it failed; Dhoni's Chawla and Pathan's batting position gamble' date=' on the other hand, was a failure from the very start.[/quote'] I would agree that Chawla's selection was epic fail but Yusuf's sending up the order is not that bad a decision either. The batting power plays were on and a big hitter was sent, when more established batters were in the shed. He was sent to set the leather hunt but that also meant that if he failed then you have senior pros like UV, Kohli or MSD himself to start consolidating. That all of this went awry was something the batsmen should be blamed. But IMO that was not that bad a choice either.

[achilles]

Dhoni will come with his embarrassing smile to the press conference after a loss and charm the reporters over. He will also indulge in player-bashing in the media and try to show how serious he is about his job. And people buy it all the time.

[Sachin=GOD]

When a captain's instinct starts to head off in a direction where things do not go the way he wants, they sometimes overwhelm and undermine reason.

This. Dhoni was never a tactically brilliant captain and now that his instincts are not producing the same results as they were in the early part of his captaincy, that lack of tactical acumen is there for all to see.

[rkt.india]

Bhajji, UV & Pathan didn't completed their quota of overs where as Jokers like Munna completed their full quota and Nehra was in his 9th over when he lost it in 4 deliveries.. Z Khan 10 0 43 1 4.30 A Nehra 8.4 0 65 0 7.50 MM Patel 10 0 65 2 6.50 YK Pathan 4 0 20 0 5.00 Yuvraj Singh 8 0 47 0 5.87 Harbhajan Singh 9 0 53 3 5.88 There's no METHOD IN MADNESS. That's INCOMPETENT CAPTAINCY and TOTAL MISCALCULATION in bowling strategy..It was STUPIDITY.. Dhoni fails to understand that his MAIN bowlers are Zak, Bhajji, UV & Pathan. The 5th bowlers quota has to shared by the 2 jokers Munna & Nehra..

what :hysterical:comment. If these two are only there to bowl 5+5 overs of fifth bowler then why we are playing them. Can't we play Raina and irfan pathan/Rohit Sharma. Both can bowl 5+5 overs easily and can swing their bats as well and good fielders too.:cantstop:

[The Outsider]

Cricinfo is becoming even more unreadable ever since they brought Sharda Ugra on their team - more than half of what she writes makes no sense at all.

[asterix]

what :hysterical:comment. If these two are only there to bowl 5+5 overs of fifth bowler then why we are playing them. Can't we play Raina and irfan pathan/Rohit Sharma. Both can bowl 5+5 overs easily and can swing their bats as well and good fielders too.:cantstop:

Dhoni would be in a better position to answer that. I would rather not have those two jokers in the team..

[achilles]

Cricinfo is becoming even more unreadable ever since they brought Sharda Ugra on their team - more than half of what she writes makes no sense at all.

I think you could do some writing for them. And no, I'm not kidding.

[zen]

Bhajji, UV & Pathan didn't completed their quota of overs where as Jokers like Munna completed their full quota and Nehra was in his 9th over when he lost it in 4 deliveries.. Z Khan 10 0 43 1 4.30 A Nehra 8.4 0 65 0 7.50 MM Patel 10 0 65 2 6.50 YK Pathan 4 0 20 0 5.00 Yuvraj Singh 8 0 47 0 5.87 Harbhajan Singh 9 0 53 3 5.88 There's no METHOD IN MADNESS. That's INCOMPETENT CAPTAINCY and TOTAL MISCALCULATION in bowling strategy..It was STUPIDITY.. Dhoni fails to understand that his MAIN bowlers are Zak, Bhajji, UV & Pathan. The 5th bowlers quota has to shared by the 2 jokers Munna & Nehra..

Is your assumption that since YP and UV bowled early on when SA was looking to keep wkts in hand, there ER would have been the same if they had to bowled at the death like Munna and Nehra? .... For a change did you care to find out what Nehra and Munna's ER was when they bowled around the same period as YP and UV. If you take the last 4 balls away, Nehra's ER would be like 5.6 in 8 overs and Munnas would probably be around 5.7 in 9 overs. (he bowled more than 1 over at the death iirc) :winky:

[pinkfreud]

Is your assumption that since YP and UV bowled early on when SA was looking to keep wkts in hand, there ER would have been the same if they had to bowled at the death like Munna and Nehra? .... For a change did you care to find out what Nehra and Munna's ER was when they bowled around the same period as YP and UV. If you take the last 4 balls away, Nehra's ER would be like 5.6 in 8 overs and Munnas would probably be around 5.7 in 9 overs. (he bowled more than 1 over at the death iirc) :winky:

My thoughts exactly. People seem to be forgetting that it was our batting that did us in, not the bowling per se.

[vvvslaxman]

You could forgive on-field decisions like "last over" bowling choice. But what you cannot forgive is defensive field setting from the get go even if the opposition requires almost 7 an over.

[asterix]

Is your assumption that since YP and UV bowled early on when SA was looking to keep wkts in hand, there ER would have been the same if they had to bowled at the death like Munna and Nehra? .... For a change did you care to find out what Nehra and Munna's ER was when they bowled around the same period as YP and UV. If you take the last 4 balls away, Nehra's ER would be like 5.6 in 8 overs and Munnas would probably be around 5.7 in 9 overs. (he bowled more than 1 over at the death iirc) :winky:

I'm not concerned about the ER etc of Nehra or Munna..I'm trying to understand their usefulness in the team uther than a pair of mediocre bowlers.. I would rather have players in the team who can contribute in other aspects of Cricket and have a better if not professional attitude in whatever they do.

[zen]

I'm not concerned about the ER etc of Nehra or Munna..I'm trying to understand their usefulness in the team uther than a pair of mediocre bowlers.. I would rather have players in the team who can contribute in other aspects of Cricket and have a better if not professional attitude in whatever they do.

That's irrelevant atm because the squad has been chosen. Dhoni can only use those who are in the squad :winky:

[asterix]

My thoughts exactly. People seem to be forgetting that it was our batting that did us in' date=' not the bowling per se.[/quote'] **** happens. Batting collapses happens..297 was still a fighting target..Bowlers are their to win you matches and not there to depend on batsmen to give then a "safe score" each and every time..

[asterix]

That's irrelevant atm because the squad has been chosen. Dhoni can only use those who are in the squad :winky:

No, I'v been trying to see if Santh in place of Munna and Ashwin in place of Nehra could be a way forward as both can bat a bit, cannot bowl wors than, field reasonably well and last but not the least, atleast have better attitude on-field..